Community Builds A Store and Keeps Walmarts Out

[Harry Guerrilla]

It's not a theory that the Chinese are paid relatively little and that they are not held to the same safety and ecological standards as companies here.

And as those Chinese grow richer, they can demand better environmental and safety standards.

Do you think Americans, with our new infant industry gave a **** about ecological damage or worker safety, in the beginning?
Hell no, we wanted money because a lot of us were poor.

 

[1Perry]

So what, technology and the economy are not static constructs.
Things don't stay the same forever.

Walmart has the market power to push for lower prices.
Guess who benefits?
The consumer.

That's your opinion. I disagree. I believe I would be far better off with paying an extra $3.00 for a pair of jeans and unemployment being at 4%. Unemployment costs me far more.

Should we ban vehicle GPS systems, because map makers are failing?
Same principle applies to both.

No it doesn't. Map makers can go to work for GPS manufacturer's.

Someone else can do something better and/or cheaper, the other will lose out temporarily.

The low costs products made in China are ****. Pieces of crap. Do a little research on things like warranties on things like refrigerators over the last 20 years since producion has gone overseas. When they were made here they were often offered with 5 year warranties. I believe the standard warranty is now 6 months.

That's what happens when you invest in China, instead of America.
Jobs may go up in China and jobs may go down in the U.S.

No, it does not have to. If Someone wants to invest in China it does not mean they have to take current jobs with them. Many manufacturers require different things based upon location. How many 28 cubit foot refrigerators with crushed ice in the door do you suppose are sold in China?

 

[1Perry]

And as those Chinese grow richer, they can demand better environmental and safety standards.

Do you think Americans, with our new infant industry gave a **** about ecological damage or worker safety, in the beginning?
Hell no, we wanted money because a lot of us were poor.

There was nobody doing better at the time.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

That's your opinion. I disagree. I believe I would be far better off with paying an extra $3.00 for a pair of jeans and unemployment being at 4%. Unemployment costs me far more.

Then the standard of living will adjust and we'll be right back where we started.
We'll require more social welfare, because the purchasing power of each dollar will decrease.

No it doesn't. Map makers can go to work for GPS manufacturer's.

Really and what if they don't need them?

The low costs products made in China are ****. Pieces of crap. Do a little research on things like warranties on things like refrigerators over the last 20 years since producion has gone overseas. When they were made here they were often offered with 5 year warranties. I believe the standard warranty is now 6 months.

Common bull crap misconception.
The Branded manufacturers dictate the quality of the goods, not the Chinese national government, not a specific ethnic/racial group.

You pay for the warranties, there is a difference in price.
What's a warranty?
Nothing but a piece of crap.

If the product is good, the seller doesn't need to give a warranty.
Check this out, many manufacturing plants in China are ISO certified.
The factory I work in, in the US, is not ISO certified and it's #1 and #2 in 2 different industries.

So the common untrue complaint about everything from China being crap is plainly untrue.

No, it does not have to. If Someone wants to invest in China it does not mean they have to take current jobs with them. Many manufacturers require different things based upon location. How many 28 cubit foot refrigerators with crushed ice in the door do you suppose are sold in China?

Don't know and it doesn't matter.
I'm quite happy with my non warranty, Chinese stuff.

I'm sure the Chinese are equally happy to have money to take care of themselves, instead of pursuing the Maoist revolution.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

There was nobody doing better at the time.

Of course there was, we competed directly with Europe.
We were later in the race and had the lower cost.

See a parallel emerging here.
America used to be the China of the manufacturing world.

 

[1Perry]

Then the standard of living will adjust and we'll be right back where we started.
We'll require more social welfare, because the purchasing power of each dollar will decrease.

More social welfare. Now there is a strong arguement.

Really and what if they don't need them?

GPS's get manufactured on their own? We made the blacksmith outdated BUT we made the tires that replaced the job of a blacksmith here.

Common bull crap misconception.
The Branded manufacturers dictate the quality of the goods, not the Chinese national government, not a specific ethnic/racial group.

Mattel dictated that their toys get painted using lead paint?

Lead Paint Prompts Mattel to Recall 967,000 Toys - New York Times

A manufacturer that did that here would likely be bankrupt.

You pay for the warranties, there is a difference in price.
What's a warranty?
Nothing but a piece of crap.

If the product is good, the seller doesn't need to give a warranty.
Check this out, many manufacturing plants in China are ISO certified.
The factory I work in, in the US, is not ISO certified and it's #1 and #2 in 2 different industries.

So the common untrue complaint about everything from China being crap is plainly untrue.

Everything? No. A good majority? Indeed.

Don't know and it doesn't matter.
I'm quite happy with my non warranty, Chinese stuff.

I'm sure the Chinese are equally happy to have money to take care of themselves, instead of pursuing the Maoist revolution.

There are more than enough Chinese to manufacture refrigerators for.

 

[1Perry]

Of course there was, we competed directly with Europe.
We were later in the race and had the lower cost.

Once again, because you said so.

 

[VanceMack]

According to PBS, the average WalMart in America employs 333 people. MOST of those jobs are entry level jobs requiring little to no previous employment history. And while I personally love a small town shopping environment, if the total number employed by those mom and pop retailers is considerably less then they are doing themselves as a community a considerable dis-service. That being said...it is THEIR community. Good on them.

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

According to PBS, the average WalMart in America employs 333 people. MOST of those jobs are entry level jobs requiring little to no previous employment history. And while I personally love a small town shopping environment, if the total number employed by those mom and pop retailers is considerably less then they are doing themselves as a community a considerable dis-service.

The community obviously decided that the jobs brought in by a WalMart location was not sufficient compensation for whatever damage they felt it would do to the community.

 

[apdst]

The community obviously decided that the jobs brought in by a WalMart location was not sufficient compensation for whatever damage they felt it would do to the community.

What damage could Wal-Mart do?

 

[VanceMack]

The community obviously decided that the jobs brought in by a WalMart location was not sufficient compensation for whatever damage they felt it would do to the community.

To which I said happy days...good for the community.

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

What damage could Wal-Mart do?

It depends on your interpretation of "damage." Having had a close call with a WalMart, I can share the loudest objections I heard echoing up and down the block:

• Increased traffic
• Added tractor-trailer traffic
• A change in the view
• The added stress on already-struggling small businesses
• The change to the beloved landscape in the area around the store
• The overall alterations the town will undergo as a result

To many people living in a small, quaint town, that is damage. They're used to how things are, they've learned how to live with it, and they see no reason why someone with more money than they'll ever see should be allowed to sweep in and put their world on its ear.

 

[apdst]

It depends on your interpretation of "damage." Having had a close call with a WalMart, I can share the loudest objections I heard echoing up and down the block:

• Increased traffic
• Added tractor-trailer traffic
• A change in the view
• The added stress on already-struggling small businesses
• The change to the beloved landscape in the area around the store
• The overall alterations the town will undergo as a result

To many people living in a small, quaint town, that is damage. They're used to how things are, they've learned how to live with it, and they see no reason why someone with more money than they'll ever see should be allowed to sweep in and put their world on its ear.

IOW, keeping Jerkwater USA, Jerkwater USA, is saving the town?

Reminds me of the community I grew up in. They resisted every industry that tried to locate there. Now, the place is almost a ghost town, because my generation had t move away to find work. The area died.

Think of the damage done, when everyone leaves, because there's no work, which means no tax revenue to maintain the community. Just like my hometown, where people have to drive 20 miles to the nearest grocery store, because the one a mile down the road went out of business.

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

IOW, keeping Jerkwater USA, Jerkwater USA, is saving the town?

Reminds me of the community I grew up in. They resisted every industry that tried to locate there. Now, the place is almost a ghost town, because my generation had t move away to find work. The area died.

Think of the damage done, when everyone leaves, because there's no work, which means no tax revenue to maintain the community. Just like my hometown, where people have to drive 20 miles to the nearest grocery store, because the one a mile down the road went out of business.

The whole point is that the people in question like things are the way they are and don't want change -- their lives are comfortable, their interests are protected, and everything is familiar.

You're essentially raising the argument that was used to justify NAFTA and other free-trade agreements, and the argument of the small-towners is the same used to counter such agreements.

People, generally speaking, have a lot of difficulty looking at how change can be good, when change means the end or the significant alteration of things that are good just as they are.

 

[apdst]

The whole point is that the people in question like things are the way they are and don't want change -- their lives are comfortable, their interests are protected, and everything is familiar.

You're essentially raising the argument that was used to justify NAFTA and other free-trade agreements, and the argument of the small-towners is the same used to counter such agreements.

People, generally speaking, have a lot of difficulty looking at how change can be good, when change means the end or the significant alteration of things that are good just as they are.

More power to them; it's a free country. However, from my own experience, I question the judgement of such mentalities.

 

[haymarket]

Free enterprise is evil?

It certainly can be. Does this come as a huge shock to you?

 

[apdst]

It certainly can be. Does this come as a huge shock to you?

That you think that? Of course it doesn't.

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

Free enterprise is no more good or evil than free will -- it's all about the principles of the principals, or lack thereof.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

More social welfare. Now there is a strong arguement.

Of course, because you haven't solved anything.
You merely squeezed the balloon from needing unemployment benefits to needing social welfare, to offset the costs of restricting trade and lowering purchasing power.

GPS's get manufactured on their own? We made the blacksmith outdated BUT we made the tires that replaced the job of a blacksmith here.

Did all the former blacksmiths go into tire manufacturing?

Mattel dictated that their toys get painted using lead paint?

Lead Paint Prompts Mattel to Recall 967,000 Toys - New York Times

A manufacturer that did that here would likely be bankrupt.

Your post is a contradiction.
Mattel is a seller here and they sold their manufactured toys with lead paint, yet they aren't bankrupt.

One example of one business not exercising good quality control, does not make for a good argument.

Everything? No. A good majority? Indeed.

Except that's only your opinion. :shrug:

There are more than enough Chinese to manufacture refrigerators for.

Alright, do they want them?
Maybe.

We have 2 different cultures here.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Once again, because you said so.

I guess the historical record is "because I said so."
You can't debate someone so willfully ignorant of the history of world development.

 

[haymarket]

IOW, keeping Jerkwater USA, Jerkwater USA, is saving the town?

.

Your vitriolic contempt of small town America and the American people who live there is duly noted.

 

[apdst]

Your vitriolic contempt of small town America and the American people who live there is duly noted.

I grew up in thonly parish in the state that doesn't have a McDonalds, nor a single traffic light

Uh...yeah!...I hate small town folks. :rofl

Do you ever re-read these silly posts after you post them to see how stupid they sound?

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Your vitriolic contempt of small town America and the American people who live there is duly noted.

The reason he calls them "Jerkwater USA" is because they're lacking economic development, something that building a Walmart, would at least temporarily spur.
Crap man, there isn't any reason to continue to live at these places because of the lack of close by, necessary resources.

 

[haymarket]

I grew up in thonly parish in the state that doesn't have a McDonalds, nor a single traffic light

Uh...yeah!...I hate small town folks. :rofl

Do you ever re-read these silly posts after you post them to see how stupid they sound?

I reread your posts and they fail to rise to even that lowly standard. If you do not have comtempt for small town America perhaps you should refrain from vitriolic outbursts such as

IOW, keeping Jerkwater USA, Jerkwater USA, is saving the town?

Do not despair as you are not alone. Sam Walton professed to love small town America then participated in much of its destruction by wiping out Main Street small businesses. So your contempt of what you falsely profess to appreciate is not something only you are guilty of.

 

[1Perry]

Of course, because you haven't solved anything.
You merely squeezed the balloon from needing unemployment benefits to needing social welfare, to offset the costs of restricting trade and lowering purchasing power.

I'm not the one argueing for reduced purchasing power. My thoughts are at worse a wash.

Did all the former blacksmiths go into tire manufacturing?

So anyway, we've got past the idea that people making maps are just going to be out of work. They will though when so many jobs leave for other countries.

Your post is a contradiction.
Mattel is a seller here and they sold their manufactured toys with lead paint, yet they aren't bankrupt.

One example of one business not exercising good quality control, does not make for a good argument.

I provide examples. How many do you wish? There are plenty.

Except that's only your opinion. :shrug:

I provided more than opinion. You said that you didn't care that the manufacturer would no longer back their products.

Alright, do they want them?
Maybe.

We have 2 different cultures here.

Invest in China making what they want.