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Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

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Wow, those look like 19 hard hard miles. :shock:
 
From my first post it could look that way, but if you really look at it, I never said I believed it. I just said it's all fun and games until someone miscarries and then the lawsuits begin - which is true. The fact is, if I was doing what apdst was doing, I'd say something like this:

"Those scumbag riot police ...". But I'm not a hack and I know that there is nothing but a ton of doubt in this case. Also, I am not pro-life - the type of person that would call someone who got raped a murderer if she aborted or chastise anyone about the importance of a fetus. But yet, here will come the conservative base, showing their true colors and not giving one **** about this lady because:

1) She's poor
2) She was at an OWS protest

The hypocrisy in this entire thing is so glaring it's funny that you don't see it.

It's funny, you say there's a ton of doubt, yet for some reason, it's hypocritical for me to doubt her story. It's also funny that you want me to read your initial post very narrowly, but you ascribe an argument to me I've never made just for the reason that I oppose abortion. Seems there's plenty of hypocrisy to go around.
 
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Was this lady stupid for going to a protest where there was known police brutality? Hell yes.

Are the cops POSs for beating this woman and causing her to have a miscarriage? Hell yes.

Should blame be put on both sides? Definitely.
 
Was this lady stupid for going to a protest where there was known police brutality? Hell yes.

Are the cops POSs for beating this woman and causing her to have a miscarriage? Hell yes.

Should blame be put on both sides? Definitely.




My money is on she wasn't pregnant and did not miscarry.
 
Was this lady stupid for going to a protest where there was known police brutality? Hell yes.

Are the cops POSs for beating this woman and causing her to have a miscarriage? Hell yes.

Should blame be put on both sides? Definitely.

Just out of curiosity, if some lady claimed that an OWS protester kicked a woman, causing her to miscarry, would you immediately believe that as well?
 
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My money is on she wasn't pregnant and did not miscarry.

That's one possibility. "She has not filed a complaint with the Seattle Police Department or provided medical records to back up her allegations. Fox is reportedly homeless, living at the Occupy Seattle encampment and does not have a working mobile phone".

Occupy protester claims police caused her miscarriage by kicking and pepper spraying her - World news, News - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk

And here's this from the Seattle Times:

Jennifer M. Fox's claim that abuse by Seattle police caused her miscarriage has become a viral Internet sensation of the Occupy movement, but no evidence has emerged to support the allegation. Local News | Occupy protester's miscarriage claim questioned | Seattle Times Newspaper
 
That's retarded.
i must defer to your expertise

She shouldn't go on roller coasters
show me the cite indicating she did that or we will have to assume you made this **** up (again)

She shouldn't do tequila shots
post the cite proving she did that or we will again have to assume you made this crap up

She shouldn't go to protests and anatognize the police.
did not realize that pregnant women gave up their rights of assembly and free speech. show us that cite describing how she relinquished such Constitutional rights ... never mind, we know you just made that **** up, too



Common sense, there chief.
and your very post proves to us that it is not actually very common. it is especially in short supply among the reich wing
 
Guess Rosa Parks and every civil disobedient individual in the 50s and 60s should have been pepper sprayed as well. There is no need to pepper spray non-violent, civil disobedience, and I think the lawsuits that may follow from this will show that.

*Edit to add:

And by the way, I am pretty sure that your entire statement is not necessarily true anyway. Cops are subject to the same law as everyone else. There word is not the law, and ignorance to their word does not authorize excessive force.

Rosa Parks is not at all similar to this situation, not in the least.
 
i must defer to your expertise


It will do wonders for you.



show me the cite indicating she did that or we will have to assume you made this **** up (again)


post the cite proving she did that or we will again have to assume you made this crap up


You didn't get the point. How sad for you.



did not realize that pregnant women gave up their rights of assembly and free speech. show us that cite describing how she relinquished such Constitutional rights ... never mind, we know you just made that **** up, too


She has every right to be there, protest, etc. just as she has a right to smoke and drink while pregnant.


Choices my man, choices, she, chose poorly, but it looks like she's a simpleton hard miled #ows drug addict with a penchant for fairy tails.


and your very post proves to us that it is not actually very common. it is especially in short supply among the reich wing


Reich wing, such an intelligent retort. pip pip old chap!
 
i must defer to your expertise


show me the cite indicating she did that or we will have to assume you made this **** up (again)


post the cite proving she did that or we will again have to assume you made this crap up


did not realize that pregnant women gave up their rights of assembly and free speech. show us that cite describing how she relinquished such Constitutional rights ... never mind, we know you just made that **** up, too

and your very post proves to us that it is not actually very common. it is especially in short supply among the reich wing

He's not making anything up; he's using hyperbole to comment on common-sense rules when pregnant. It's not that a pregnant woman loses her rights of assembly; it's that she has a responsibility to avoid some risk-taking activities.
 
Stand still X-Factor, and I will spice you right up with some pepper oil and then you can tell me how warm and fuzzy it makes you feel.
Is it wrong that this sounds really good to me?

The absurdity of that point is actually best demonstrated by either saying "OK, then you should be fine if all police officers have their pepper spray replaced with oregano since it's really just swapping spices." or "A leg of lamb is just food up until I use it to bludgeon somebody senseless, at which point it becomes a weapon."

I prefer the former, myself. How different would these pepper spraying incidents be if the cops were simply sprinkling oregano on people?

Spices are different with different tastes and characteristics. I like pepper and cinnamon but they can't be used interchangeably just because they're both spices.

Is this sarcasm?
I wouldn't call it sarcasm, no.
 
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Too many holes in her story for me. Apparently we are asked to believe that the police, instead of spraying those on the outer edges of the group, broke a path through to get at a supposedly pregnant homeless teenager, then rammed her with a bicycle, kicked her in the stomach, then pepper sprayed her, whereupon she had a miscarriage a week later, all without a shred of evidence other than her ramblings. Women claims she is in possession of evidence or the pregnancy and loss thereof but refuses to release them, no videos exist, even though we see plenty of other videos taken by protesters looking for incidents such as this to make their point.
 
Is there, at this time, any evidence that this story is true?

It's amazing, isn't it, just how whether she's telling the truth or not is actually completely irrelevant to some.
 
Spices are different with different tastes and characteristics. I like pepper and cinnamon but they can't be used interchangeably just because they're both spices.

And one characteristic of capsaicin is that it can be used as a weapon, while Oregano cannot. Thank you for proving my point. ;)
 
Let's be honest, if the woman and her unborn baby were at a Tea Party rally instead, X Factor and the rest of the pro lifers would have placed more value on the loss of the unborn baby's life. Since it was in the womb of a woman at a liberal leaning protest, the baby's life isn't of much value to them nor are the concerned with her loss.

No, the difference between you and me on this is it matters to me whether what she's saying is actually true. If she's not or if police conduct did not cause the miscarriage, or shoot, if her actions maybe were not as pure as the driven snow as she's claiming, my views on abortion have no bearing on this, at all.
 
Rosa Parks is not at all similar to this situation, not in the least.

The protesters were breaking the law in a non-violent manner and so were most civil rights protests. Care to explain the difference?
 
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Obviously if she was pepper sprayed she was doing something the police told her to stop, this = fighting the police. You say she was not, so obviously she was jsut innocently walking along and the police raped her. Raped her, in this context, is the slang from FPS games that denotes "Kicked the **** out of her", rather then a sexual assault as you are suggesting.

Which was it? Was protesting, refusing to cooperate and got what she had coming to her? Or was she just an innocent teen caught up by police brutality?

Oh did you not see the video were sitting down constituted "fighting" the police? Yeah, those kids got "raped", too.
 
What they were fighting for. :prof

I do not see how you can delegitimize the right to protest based off what they are protesting - especially if their cause is not hateful in anyway. If protests conformed to popular opinion, they'd likely not be needed in the first place.
 
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