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Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

While this is a tragic incident, the very fact that this mother went to a protest known for violence and was three months pregnant speaks in volumes about her.
Her stupidity can be compared to as playing sports in a battle.
MaggieD's post which is post #30 is absolute gold. It just demonstrates her stupidity (I mean, the mother's not Maggie's)
 
"They diagnosed that I was having a miscarriage. They said the damage was from the kick and that the pepper spray got to it [the fetus], too," she said.

"I was worried about it [when I joined the protests], but I didn't know it would be this bad. I didn't know that a cop would murder a baby that's not born yet... I am trying to get lawyers."
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Sounds more like a propagandist story than reality. I would like to know just how the hospital would know that the cause of the alleged miscarriage was caused by the kick and not something else. They would have had to do a autopsy to determine the cause of death.

Oh wait I just googled her name and came up with this Flaws noted in Occupy Seattle protester's miscarriage story - seattlepi.com

The night Fox was pepper sprayed and claimed she was kicked, Fox and other Occupy Seattle protesters told seattlepi.com she was two months pregnant. At the Friday Occupy Seattle rally outside the Seattle Municipal Tower – Nov. 18 – Fox told seattlepi.com, "I'm three months pregnant today."
Fox also claimed in September that she was three months pregnant, according to a police report obtained by seattlepi.com.


Fox "said she is three months pregnant with Johannes' baby and began crying when he was arrested," the report reads. "(Fox) began holding her stomach and was screaming it hurt."
Fox was treated at the scene and transported to Harborview Medical Center by a fire department aid unit. She wasn't charged in the incident, but the man she said was the baby's father was charged with first-degree criminal trespass, assault and false reporting.
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And there is this
According to the report, Fox told an officer she was three months pregnant and began crying when arrested.

"(Fox) began holding her stomach and was screaming when she was arrested," read the report. (Fox) was treated at the scene and transported to HMC."

The incident calls into question whether Fox was telling the truth about losing a child after being pepper sprayed and hit by police.

When asked by KIRO FM about the police report, she denied remembering the incident. Then, Fox changed her story and said that the "police report must have been wrong," because she told police she was one month pregnant at the time.

Fox's former foster mother, Lark Stebbins, told the Seattle Times Fox is a "compulsive liar" and a "wannabe drama queen."
Inconsistencies found in protestor 'miscarriage' - Seattle News - MyNorthwest.com
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pbrauer said:
This is unbelievable!!!

Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed | Video Cafe


A woman who was pepper sprayed during during a raid on Occupy Seattle last week is blaming police after she miscarried Sunday.

Jennifer Fox, 19, told The Stranger that she had been with the Occupy protests since they started in Westlake Park. She said she was homeless and three months pregnant, but felt the need to join activists during their march last Tuesday.

"I was standing in the middle of the crowd when the police started moving in," Fox recalled. "I was screaming, 'I am pregnant, I am pregnant. Let me through. I am trying to get out.'"

She claimed that police hit her in the stomach twice before pepper spraying her. One officer struck her with his foot and another pushed his bicycle into her. It wasn't clear if either of those incidents were intentional."Right before I turned, both cops lifted their pepper spray and sprayed me. My eyes puffed up and my eyes swelled shut," Fox said.

Seattle Post-Intelligencer photographer Joshua Trujillo snapped a picture of Fox in apparent agony as another activist carried her to an ambulance.Seattle fire department spokesman Kyle Moore told The Washington Post that a 19-year-old pregnant woman was among those that were examined by paramedics.

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She didn't miscarry, she had an involuntary abortion. Happens all the time to millions of women, most of whom never even realized they were pregnant. This is like someone accidentally clipping your fingernail; it's just a clump of cells.

I don't know why you're attaching all this emotional hyperbole to your rhetoric, but I'm sure your slippery-slope will become obvious soon enough.
 
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whysoserious said:
Rut roh. This is what I was arguing with others about. It's all fun and games until someone has an asthma attack and dies, or some lady has a miscarriage. I don't suppose conservatives will much care, even though they are "pro-life" or whatever (since they seem to think pepper spraying large groups of people who are sitting down is funny), but the city of Seattle will start to care as the lawsuits pour in.
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If you can't do the TIME, don't do the CRIME. She made a cardinal error by associating with these worthless wastes of flesh and oxygen to begin with, and now she (and her child) have paid the price. Maybe she'll be a little more careful what bags of feces she spends her time with from now on.
 
pbrauer said:
This is unbelievable!!!

Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed | Video Cafe


A woman who was pepper sprayed during during a raid on Occupy Seattle last week is blaming police after she miscarried Sunday.

Jennifer Fox, 19, told The Stranger that she had been with the Occupy protests since they started in Westlake Park. She said she was homeless and three months pregnant, but felt the need to join activists during their march last Tuesday.

"I was standing in the middle of the crowd when the police started moving in," Fox recalled. "I was screaming, 'I am pregnant, I am pregnant. Let me through. I am trying to get out.'"

She claimed that police hit her in the stomach twice before pepper spraying her. One officer struck her with his foot and another pushed his bicycle into her. It wasn't clear if either of those incidents were intentional."Right before I turned, both cops lifted their pepper spray and sprayed me. My eyes puffed up and my eyes swelled shut," Fox said.

Seattle Post-Intelligencer photographer Joshua Trujillo snapped a picture of Fox in apparent agony as another activist carried her to an ambulance.Seattle fire department spokesman Kyle Moore told The Washington Post that a 19-year-old pregnant woman was among those that were examined by paramedics.

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She should be charged with child abuse, negligent homicide and tossed in jail. Idiot woman pregnant fighting with police.
 
MrVicchio said:
She should be charged with child abuse, negligent homicide and tossed in jail. Idiot woman pregnant fighting with police.
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I'm sorry, but where did it say that she was fighting with police?
 
mike2810 said:
you have to ask those that blame LE.
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That was the point of asking the question, hopefully to make people stop and think before spewing more partisan stuff.
 
What she needs is this:

1) A psych evaluation (that's likely happened already)
2) Accommodations accordingly and go from there

I think it's undeniable that there's something wrong with her - pregnant homeless teen. Most homeless people suffer from psychological issues and it's a blaring fact in this nation that we don't do enough to help and keep them off the streets where - as this story highlights - they become a danger to their selves and even others.

But what is solid fact is that she WAS pregnant and WAS taken to the hospital and WAS determined to be having a miscarriage.

Jerry said:
She didn't miscarry, she had an involuntary abortion. Happens all the time to millions of women, most of whom never even realized they were pregnant. This is like someone accidentally clipping your fingernail; it's just a clump of cells.

I don't know why you're attaching all this emotional hyperbole to your rhetoric, but I'm sure your slippery-slope will become obvious soon enough.
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An involuntary abortion - spontaneous abortion (etc) . . . it's all different terms or the same event :shrug:
 
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Dr_Patrick said:
I'm sorry, but where did it say that she was fighting with police?
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I'm sorry, she was an innocent person walking by and the police raped her, my mistake, wrong thread.
 
MrVicchio said:
I'm sorry, she was an innocent person walking by and the police raped her, my mistake, wrong thread.
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Uh, where did I say she was raped? Spare me the hyperbolic nonsense. You said she was fighting with police and I'm asking where it said that. It's a simple question.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Uh, where did I say she was raped? Spare me the hyperbolic nonsense. You said she was fighting with police and I'm asking where it said that. It's a simple question.
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Obviously if she was pepper sprayed she was doing something the police told her to stop, this = fighting the police. You say she was not, so obviously she was jsut innocently walking along and the police raped her. Raped her, in this context, is the slang from FPS games that denotes "Kicked the **** out of her", rather then a sexual assault as you are suggesting.

Which was it? Was protesting, refusing to cooperate and got what she had coming to her? Or was she just an innocent teen caught up by police brutality?
 
Why would you want to use the term rape not in reference to any type of sexual assault or nonvoluntary sexual contact?

Thats just disgusting.
 
megaprogman said:
Why would you want to use the term rape not in reference to any type of sexual assault or nonvoluntary sexual contact?

Thats just disgusting.
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Yes- and then be puzzled as to why people done' get it.

Geesh!
 
MrVicchio said:
Obviously if she was pepper sprayed she was doing something the police told her to stop, this = fighting the police. You say she was not, so obviously she was jsut innocently walking along and the police raped her. Raped her, in this context, is the slang from FPS games that denotes "Kicked the **** out of her", rather then a sexual assault as you are suggesting.

Which was it? Was protesting, refusing to cooperate and got what she had coming to her? Or was she just an innocent teen caught up by police brutality?
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I didn't state my opinion one way or another. I simply asked where it said that she was fighting with police, which you stated as fact. Obviously you can't answer it because it doesn't say that. Perhaps you shouldn't assume things as fact when it says nothing about it in the story.
From the story, it sounded like she was in the protest and the police were trying to disperse the crowd and she was trying to get out of there and yelling "I'm pregnant!" I wouldn't classify that as "fighting with police".
 
megaprogman said:
Why would you want to use the term rape not in reference to any type of sexual assault or nonvoluntary sexual contact?

Thats just disgusting.
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Because it's hyperbole and he thinks it makes his point stronger. I've seen both sides of the political aisle do it, though. I agree, it is disgusting.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Yes- and then be puzzled as to why people done' get it.

Geesh!
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He is just loose with the term it seems.

MrVicchio said:
Markarth SUCKS Markarth SUCKS Markarth SUCKS.


I'm out bipping around on my lowly 24 mage, whom my wife hates because I face rape most things that mess with me. Trolls? Roast'em. Dragons? Zap'em. Bandits? Put an arrow in their ass and call it a day.


So I'm wandering this GOSHFORSAKEN SINK HOLE OF A ROTTEN BAG OF ASS CAKES city, and this guy stops me, in front of a house, asks for my help. "Sure, why not?" We go in, and soon are trapped, scary spooky voice demands I kill the man, or he kill me. Either way, death is coming. By the end of that line, I'm now "blessed" with a cursed mace that get's me a negative reaction from NPC's oh, and I'm a Daedric Lord of Submissions BITCH. Joy. Oh and if you snoop around that place? Be naked after you kill some rich guy and head back to your contact. Inescapable prisons tend to eat your gear.
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megaprogman said:
Why would you want to use the term rape not in reference to any type of sexual assault or nonvoluntary sexual contact?

Thats just disgusting.
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Have you ever played an FPS?

Rape Train: In Zombies, it is an act of luring large groups of zombies into a circle, making the player receive a lot of points when shooting them.
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Call of Duty Wiki:Glossary - The Call of Duty Wiki - Modern Warfare 3, Black Ops, World at War and More!

The act of destroying or laying seige to an area designated as safe or protected for the opposite team.
An effective, but sometimes scrutinized tactic in Tribes 2 is base raping the opponent by entering their base with a heavy armor and destroying all defenses, generators, and inventory stations available.
The act of attacking or laying seige to a base without attempting to capture it. This is often done in a way that the other team cannot fight back before being killed after spawning, usually in a vehicle or sometimes with a sniper rifle from a distance. It is usually done in a deathmatch style First Person Shooter
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base rape

But my students are only rarely ideologues. Few of them listen to Rush or Glenn Beck; those guys are just too old. The young folks aren’t using rape as the ultimate metaphor for violation. They’re using it like my mom might say, “Oh, heck!”

So have any of you heard “rape” used as casual slang? “Fag” is problematic enough; as C.J. Pascoe shows in Dude, You’re a Fag: Masculinity and Sexuality in High School, it’s used to harshly police both boys and girls’ expression of their gender and sexuality.

But “rape”? As slang? I mean, I remember it from The Who’s Tommy (We’re not gonna take it!) but that’s about it.

An hour after class, one of the young women showed up at my office hours. “I just heard someone say ‘That test raped me.’ I wouldn’t have even noticed it before.”

What have you noticed? Is this a generational thing? Do I just live in a bubble? I’d be grateful for any clarifications and insights.
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“Rape” as Slang? « Kittywampus

That last one is just for those of you WAAAY behind the times. Rape doesn't just mean sexual assault, come on, if and old man like me is hip to the new slang, why can't you be too?
 
MrVicchio said:
No, it's common slang. Sheesh you people need get with the times. For crying out loud, you'd think I'd committed a crime here.
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It's not that common. Perhaps amongst gamers, but not everyone is a gamer.
 
MrVicchio said:
No, it's common slang. Sheesh you people need get with the times. For crying out loud, you'd think I'd committed a crime here.
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Over there = slang. I've used it in a slang-application as well and just did not draw that use out of it in this thread - In a thread about a pregnant homeless teen . . . pregnancy and slang use of the term shouldn't mix . . . *raps your knuckles with a switch - now say 5 hail Mary's and you will be absolved of your sins* :)

You clarified the use of the term - that's fine . . . because seriously it just didn't come across like you meant it.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
What she needs is this:

1) A psych evaluation (that's likely happened already)
2) Accommodations accordingly and go from there

I think it's undeniable that there's something wrong with her - pregnant homeless teen. Most homeless people suffer from psychological issues and it's a blaring fact in this nation that we don't do enough to help and keep them off the streets where - as this story highlights - they become a danger to their selves and even others.

But what is solid fact is that she WAS pregnant and WAS taken to the hospital and WAS determined to be having a miscarriage.



An involuntary abortion - spontaneous abortion (etc) . . . it's all different terms or the same event :shrug:
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from my weekly experience operating a soup kitchen feeding approximately 250 per meal i must voice concern about some of what you have expressed

what causes you to believe this woman is in need of a psych evaluation?

what causes you to believe there is something wrong with her? being a teen cannot be it as that is a natural state. otherwise one must conclude that all teens are in need of psych evals and have something wrong with them. ditto for those who are pregnant
thus, i can only conclude that you find her state of homelessness that which is aberrant

many of the 250 who come for a free meal are homeless. a portion have psych issues and some have chemical dependencies. but many simply have lost their means of support. they tend to be nominally educated and are/were the last hired and first fired. many had homes which were sold in foreclosure once their incomes/jobs were lost. they are the ones on the margins

others are young adults who are no longer welcome in the homes in which they were brought up. they are often quite vulnerable

you may sense my alarm by now, that many automatically conclude that those who are homeless are something other than victims of the economy only because they are homeless

to a lesser degree i am also concerned that you seem to fear the homeless as being a danger to others, based only on their sharing a homeless demographic

and while your heart is in the right place, many of the homeless remain in that situation by choice. those are the ones most frequently in need of some psych help. and yes, i agree with you, we are NOT doing enough to help them

many are not getting assistance because the social system is often not prepared to help them and many who qualify for public assistance do not receive it because they are without the life skills to understand and follow the bureaucratic processes required to realize the various forms of assistance that are available

what i have found over the past three years is that this is not a monolithic group, having the same characteristics. they are individuals. usually citizens. often veterans. we should assess them and help them as individuals
 
justabubba said:
yes, and avoid the thanksgiving parades
never know when a float would run over her
just as predictable
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That's retarded.


She shouldn't go on roller coasters
She shouldn't do tequila shots
She shouldn't go to protests and anatognize the police.


Common sense, there chief.
 
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