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Major profitable corporations are paying negative income taxes.

So you are agreeing that you are wrong with your earlier statement?
And if you would like to get educated on their demands ill provide them for you here instead of making ignorant typical remarks


Yea education sucks! :lamo

You just proved my point, for me. The idiocy that went into thinking up those dumbass ideas in amazing.

That's nothing but a list of Libbo wet dreams and not a single clue how to pay for all that crap, other than raising taxes.

If you call that, "education", then yeah, education does suck! :rofl

That's proof that education and intelligence aren't the same thing. This crap won't work. Ever hear of Greece? Italy?

I can tell the view of the movement you have is the one FOX "News" only preaches to you.

Actually, I live in the real world and have enough real world experience to know that these demands are the height of stupidity. I have a job. I pay taxes. I know that this bull**** isn't going to work.
 
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Just because you'd like it to be that doesn't make it true. TheDemSocialist seems to like those demands. You like to dismiss them because they reflect poorly on the movement you support, but nonetheless, it's a list posted by members on what they would like to see happen. Hell, we all know, that some of the less ridiculous demands on the list such as free college education, single payer universal healthcare, and $2 trillion in infrastructure and alternative energy spending is supported by a hell of lot more than just one member. Many people on this board push for those demands.

No. I dismisss them because I see little mainstream support for them among progressives and democrats with which I work every working day.

You confuse support for infrastructure with these specific demands.
You confuse support for increased minimum wage with these specific demands.
You confuse support for education with these specific demands.
You confuse support for health care with these specific demands.
 
Is the corporation bad for trying to do what everyone else does? We try to pay as little taxes as possible and maximize our income by taking tax breaks and filing for refunds. It's not the corporations fault for being wise with the tax code. They didn't break any laws. The fault lies with congress who writes the tax code. I do think it's unethical to not pay any taxes and that companies should, but they shouldn't be attacked for doing what the vast majority of Americans do with their personal income :shrug:
 
Is the corporation bad for trying to do what everyone else does? We try to pay as little taxes as possible and maximize our income by taking tax breaks and filing for refunds. It's not the corporations fault for being wise with the tax code. They didn't break any laws. The fault lies with congress who writes the tax code. I do think it's unethical to not pay any taxes and that companies should, but they shouldn't be attacked for doing what the vast majority of Americans do with their personal income :shrug:

Why is it unethical not to pay taxes, if you don't owe any taxes?
 
You confuse support for infrastructure with these specific demands.
You confuse support for increased minimum wage with these specific demands.
You confuse support for education with these specific demands.
You confuse support for health care with these specific demands.

No, I don't confuse any of these. The difference between these demands and popular democratic positions are the level of support they lend these issues. You argue that the demands overstate the levels of support that are popular among the Democratic party. You're cherry-picking. You use the more moderate positions to paint the entire party with and dismiss attempts to use more radical positions to paint the same picture.

You already had $1 trillion in infrastructure and alternative energy spending.
I didn't mention the minimum wage.
You already have government-backed student loan programs and have already passed partial debt forgiveness.
You already passed a giant healthcare package.

These demands piss you off because they show the lunacy in the entitlement message of your party. The demands are radical but the principles aren't far off what is already being proposed.
 
Actually this list of demands just confirms everyone's view of the movement. No basis in reality, extreme leftism, complete misunderstanding of economics, and a huge sense of entitlement. Demand 11 was good enough for a hearty laugh. :lamo
Extreme leftism? Sounds like the envision a social democratic state like Germany, or France.. Its not that extreme at all....
 
What the hell, you seriously don't realize that many of these companies have bought and paid for a tax code that benefits them most?
So? It's still Congress that wrote the tax code. Going around assigning blame does nothing. Congress is where you fix the problem. Corporations don't care if you sit around and complain that they're rich.
 
Extreme leftism? Sounds like the envision a social democratic state like Germany, or France.. Its not that extreme at all....

Really Germany has:

Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.
Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all.
Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Are you really trying to defend these demands? If you are, do you think you will have any credibility when discussing politics and the economy from here on out?
 
I find it interesting that this thread is nearing 100 posts but the thread concerning Corzine stealing who knows how much money gets very little in the way of replies.
 
I find it interesting that this thread is nearing 100 posts but the thread concerning Corzine stealing who knows how much money gets very little in the way of replies.

Link to the thread and I will happily contribute my opinion. In the meantime, try to stay on topic and quit hijacking threads.
 
So? It's still Congress that wrote the tax code. Going around assigning blame does nothing. Congress is where you fix the problem. Corporations don't care if you sit around and complain that they're rich.

It's a lot more complicated than that. It's not "vote in different congress members." The new ones will be just as dependent on corporate money, too. Get the corporate money out of elections, and then politicians will actually be answerable to voters. And quite often, lobbyists write the laws... that is, representatives of the corporations. The major networks wrote almost the entirety of the Communications Act of 1934, which informs the FCC and a lot of their activities to this day. The centralization of control into the hands of corporations is the cause of a great many of our economic problems. The only way to combat this is to take their money out of the equation.
 
What the hell, you seriously don't realize that many of these companies have bought and paid for a tax code that benefits them most?

What's to be accomplished by having a tax code that hurts corporations?
 
Really Germany has:

Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.
Actually Germany's doesnt have a minmum wage on law because the wage is set by sector....

Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
Thats a EU thing...

Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all.
They do?

Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.
Germany has 3 credit report agencies...


Are you really trying to defend these demands?
I really dont see how open borders, debt forgiveness, and outlawing credit agencies would make you socialist...
Are those like in the official socialist party platform? I mean even if Germany had these things how would that make you socialist?
Are you that ignorant?

If you are, do you think you will have any credibility when discussing politics and the economy from here on out?
I mean have the **** you just made up in your last post...
 
When did I claim any of these were socialist? These were the demands you posted and subsequently defended. You then went on to claim they weren't "that radical" and that social democracies like Germany had them. In your latest response you seem to forgot what you originally said and then argued against yourself that Germany didn't have them. I haven't mentioned the word socialism once, you seem to gravitate towards the concept.

I mean have the **** you just made up in your last post...

Please point to any **** I have "made up". My last post was quoting your list of demands. I said you wouldn't have any credibility if you honestly believed in, and defended the list of demands you posted.
 
No, I don't confuse any of these. The difference between these demands and popular democratic positions are the level of support they lend these issues. You argue that the demands overstate the levels of support that are popular among the Democratic party. You're cherry-picking. You use the more moderate positions to paint the entire party with and dismiss attempts to use more radical positions to paint the same picture.

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It is not cherry picking. It is called being accurate and not letting the enemy paint a false picture of you so they can demonize both you and your actual views.

Thank you for demonstrating that.
 
It is not cherry picking. It is called being accurate and not letting the enemy paint a false picture of you so they can demonize both you and your actual views.

Thank you for demonstrating that.

The cognitive dissonance must be killing you.
 
When did I claim any of these were socialist?
You seem to implied that when you said this: "Extreme leftism? Sounds like the envision a social democratic state like Germany, or France.. Its not that extreme at all...."

These were the demands you posted and subsequently defended.
Naa those were the demands some in the occupy movement posted...
I have something more of worker control of industry...

You then went on to claim they weren't "that radical" and that social democracies like Germany had them.
See you picked out 3 things, and tried to imply that to Germany when 3/4 things you tried to imply were false...
Just being factually accurate here.

In your latest response you seem to forgot what you originally said and then argued against yourself that Germany didn't have them. I haven't mentioned the word socialism once, you seem to gravitate towards the concept.
You mentioned the word "extreme leftism".....
Do you mean communism instead? Anarchism?




Please point to any **** I have "made up". My last post was quoting your list of demands. I said you wouldn't have any credibility if you honestly believed in, and defended the list of demands you posted.

"Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all."


"Outlaw all credit reporting agencies."

"Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment."
 
You seem to implied that when you said this: "Extreme leftism? Sounds like the envision a social democratic state like Germany, or France.. Its not that extreme at all...."

:doh You seem to be having some trouble here, so I'll help you out.

In post #70 you posted made this post showing the demands of the Occupy movement:

And if you would like to get educated on their demands ill provide them for you here instead of making ignorant typical remarks

This was my response in post #71:

Actually this list of demands just confirms everyone's view of the movement. No basis in reality, extreme leftism, complete misunderstanding of economics, and a huge sense of entitlement.

Your replied by saying it wasn't extreme at all and was similar to a France or Germany in post #81:

Sounds like the envision a social democratic state like Germany, or France.. Its not that extreme at all....

I responded with DEMANDS FROM THE LIST YOU POSTED and showed examples of how they were way more extreme than anything in Germany and France. I said in post #83:

Really Germany has:

Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.
Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all.
Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Are you really trying to defend these demands? If you are, do you think you will have any credibility when discussing politics and the economy from here on out?

Perhaps I should have put a question mark after "Really Germany has" so you would be able to read it better. The four items below which you quote me as "making up" are demands 3, 9, 11, and 12 from the list you posted. I used those examples (and there are more on the list) of why they are not similar to Germany and more extreme than any country in the EU. I never used the world socialism, I used the world "extreme leftism" as the demands call for extreme regulation and government spending. I know your ilk loves it's revisionist history, but in a forum with recorded posts it's a little harder to pull off. Hope this cleared up the headache your having.
 
If we ever get that through our thick skulls, we'll get somewhere. Congress loves to see us blaming:

The Rich
Corporations
Big Banks
Next Popular Target, whatever that may be

It's all on them. They are the jakes that let it alllllll happen.

Actually, I do blame big corporations and big banks too. After all, they are the ones who bought Congress.
 
Actually, I do blame big corporations and big banks too. After all, they are the ones who bought Congress.

I think you're both right. They blame each other and are both responsible. Everyone by nature is self interested and empathetic of their own experiences and circumstances. I remember in a movie called "Shooter" where a corrupt senator Ned Beatty "Meachum" tells the sniper Mark Wahlberg "Swagger", "There are no sides. There's no Sunnis and Shiites. There's no Democrats and Republicans. There's only HAVES and HAVE-NOTS."
 
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Here's some information on this subject I ran across in my daily rounds.

The thirty big corporations analyzed in this report paid more to lobby Congress than they paid in federal income taxes for the three years between 2008 and 2010, despite being profitable.

For Hire: Lobbyists or the 99%? | Public Campaign


Disclaimer - I don't know anything about Public Campaign, other than their 'About Us'.
 
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