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Paterno getting the boot at PennState

Paterno deserves to take a hit to his reputation on this one, but my bigger problem is with the assistant.

He witnessed a young boy being raped in the shower, went home and talked to his dad about how he should handle it, then the next day told Paterno.

that guy is not getting the negative publicity he deserves, if it was me, I would of found the closest blunt instrument available and ended the rape on the spot.

There is alot of truth to this. In his shoes, I hope I would have intervened had I seen it, and I know I would have gone strait to the police. My mind boggles at the idea you just tell your boss.
 
I don't excuse McQueary at all and have similar views of him in this as Paterno, if not worse. I did hear something the other day though that makes me have to pause and ask "How would that have affected me". Apparently he grew up friends with Sandusky's kid, playing little league with him and other things, and knew Sandusky since he was very young. Sandusky was a family friend, a friends father, and a legend in Happy Vally where McQueary grew up.

Seeing that sort of man doing that sort of action, I can only imagine that the gut response may've been a bit different than if it was just some guy you work with.

In no way am I saying I think what McQueary did was morally right or the correct action, but I do find it a bit harder to put myself in his shoes and answer with absolute honesty when trying to view it through that scope.
 
Maybe he didn't report it because he knew this could have happened to him?

Mental Health Worker Fired For Reporting Child Pornography Found On Client's Computer

. The employee, who has not been named, first went to supervisors with her concerns, but was told not to contact authorities because her discovery did not meet the requirements for reporting an offense.According to the Missoulian, court papers show that she contacted police on October 17, reporting concerns after she saw the words "female child nude" and "preteen nude girls by themselves" in the browsing history of Gribble's computer. Gribble was later charged with sexually abusing children after a DVD containing nude photos of children was found in his home, according to multiple reports.Despite the fact that the worker was concerned for the safety of young girls Gribble babysat, and that her suspicions proved true, the company maintains that she violated their policies when she called police.
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I'm trying to wrap my mind around what it is the man did wrong? He got wind of a problem. He reported the problem to his superiors. The superiors took it to local law enforcement (i.e. prosecutor) and the prosecutor is the one that denied any action. How is that Paterno's fault? He did exactly what he was supposed to do.

If you are Joe Paterno in College Station, Pa and you go to the cops, **** gets done. If Paterno knew about it, and he did, and nothing happened after you reported it, and it didn't and Paterno let it slide then while he may have done enough to save his butt, but he did NOT do enough to save later victims. He took no action when action wasn't taken. That is where he failed.
 
No body is shrugging it off. You just misassigned the blame. Paterno did what was right. He cannot help that the system didn't do its job. What more could he have done? Shot the guy himself?

Dude, you need to check yourself. I am having a problem in that you see nothing amiss when someone tells their boss that they saw an old man having butt sex with a 10 year old in the locker room and the coach simply reports it to the AD. Most people in that position would call the cops. At worst most people in that position would ask questions when the pervert wasn't manned off jail. Either your graduate assistant is making up incredible stories or your former defensive coordinator was having butt sex with a 10 year old in the locker room shower. You apparently would pat yourself on the back for covering your own ass and ask everyone where they were going to lunch, never to concern yourself again with the issue. I'm sorry to tell you, you would be committing a severe moral error. Perhaps you and Paterno share the same terrible character flaw.

If an employee were to come tell me that I'd be calling the cops and then the AD. Was it Paterno's fault that other kids were brutalized? Oh, hell yes. He let the matter drop once he had reported it. He didn't dog people when the pervert remained on the street and running his private organization to "help" little boys. Paterno was morally obligated. He failed. Kids were raped. It wasn't his job to stop it - BUT HE COULD HAVE.

I'm going to be honest with you KSU, your inability or unwillingness to understand Paterno's moral obligation tells me much about you I didn't know.
 
It seems to me from what I have read that he is gone as of Wednesday night. Legacy down in flames as it should be.
 
Not be back next season? That's not good enough, IMHO. He should be out of there before this weekend's game against Nebraska.

Turns out, that's exactly what's happened. He has been fired.

This is just all around a tragedy. A tragedy for Penn State and college football, but especially for the young people that were abused. And Joe Paterno was a very-well respected coach, but if the charges stick, all of his legacy will be lost.

The only counterpoint I can think of is that Penn State acted too quickly in terminating him instead of placing him on leave while the investigation sorted itself out. Maybe they know more to this story. I don't know, I'm just in a state of shock over this. This is one of the worst things to have hit the sports world in years.
 
The only counterpoint I can think of is that Penn State acted too quickly in terminating him instead of placing him on leave while the investigation sorted itself out. Maybe they know more to this story. I don't know, I'm just in a state of shock over this. This is one of the worst things to have hit the sports world in years.

The guy who broke this story months ago has come out today saying that he believes the next story to break is that Sandusky was supplying kids to big donors.

*IF* true, there will never be a Joe Paterno day. If true, I imagine that Paterno will be a part of the inevitable massive lawsuit about to hit Penn State. When this first broke I also sort of felt bad for Paterno, but not now. While Sandusky "retired" he was allowed to run freely all over the campus and use that influence. No way someone in Paterno's shoes shouldn't have completely barred him from not only the campus but hell, Happy Valley period.........

Unless there is something to the "rumor" in which case, it's going to get really, really ugly.
 
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Dude, you need to check yourself. I am having a problem in that you see nothing amiss when someone tells their boss that they saw an old man having butt sex with a 10 year old in the locker room and the coach simply reports it to the AD. Most people in that position would call the cops. At worst most people in that position would ask questions when the pervert wasn't manned off jail. Either your graduate assistant is making up incredible stories or your former defensive coordinator was having butt sex with a 10 year old in the locker room shower. You apparently would pat yourself on the back for covering your own ass and ask everyone where they were going to lunch, never to concern yourself again with the issue. I'm sorry to tell you, you would be committing a severe moral error. Perhaps you and Paterno share the same terrible character flaw.

If an employee were to come tell me that I'd be calling the cops and then the AD. Was it Paterno's fault that other kids were brutalized? Oh, hell yes. He let the matter drop once he had reported it. He didn't dog people when the pervert remained on the street and running his private organization to "help" little boys. Paterno was morally obligated. He failed. Kids were raped. It wasn't his job to stop it - BUT HE COULD HAVE.

I'm going to be honest with you KSU, your inability or unwillingness to understand Paterno's moral obligation tells me much about you I didn't know.

I don't know what the rules in PA or at PSU are, but when I taught and coached at a high school in Georgia, school policy would not permit me to report directly to the police. I could lose my job. I was to report to consulars at the school or the principal depending on what I saw. They take it from there. If that is the policy at PSU, and the coaches followed that policy to the letter, it is the administration that is culpable, not those who followed procedure.
 
But could Paterno have found a coaching reason to rid himself of Sandusky? People lose their jobs for "cause" that's created all the time. Aren't there ways to eventually rid oneself of a troublesome employee? Knowing what he did, how could Paterno continue to work with this guy?
 
correct, what he reported to the athletic director was 'hearsay', nothing that paterno had seen or witnessed personally, is my understanding. the AD reported it to law enforcement, and the prosecutor declined to bring charges...at least that is how i have heard it.

Hopefully, by now, you've learned that your take on it is incorrect.
 
This is not a school issue, a campus issue or a football issue. It is the act of RAPE. If I saw this I would call the police irregardless of the location, school church airport, wherever. How many "actual" incidences are there other than the ones before us? Now, if your associate did this at age 60 for example would you not ask yourself at what age did that person begin this behavior?! The more we are going to learn in the coming months the more sickening this is going to be. By the way, continue the football games because again, this is not sports this is crime.
 
Dude, you need to check yourself. I am having a problem in that you see nothing amiss when someone tells their boss that they saw an old man having butt sex with a 10 year old in the locker room and the coach simply reports it to the AD. Most people in that position would call the cops. At worst most people in that position would ask questions when the pervert wasn't manned off jail. Either your graduate assistant is making up incredible stories or your former defensive coordinator was having butt sex with a 10 year old in the locker room shower. You apparently would pat yourself on the back for covering your own ass and ask everyone where they were going to lunch, never to concern yourself again with the issue. I'm sorry to tell you, you would be committing a severe moral error. Perhaps you and Paterno share the same terrible character flaw.

If an employee were to come tell me that I'd be calling the cops and then the AD. Was it Paterno's fault that other kids were brutalized? Oh, hell yes. He let the matter drop once he had reported it. He didn't dog people when the pervert remained on the street and running his private organization to "help" little boys. Paterno was morally obligated. He failed. Kids were raped. It wasn't his job to stop it - BUT HE COULD HAVE.

I'm going to be honest with you KSU, your inability or unwillingness to understand Paterno's moral obligation tells me much about you I didn't know.

and I am having a problem in that you see nothing amiss when someone sees an old man having butt sex with a 10 year old in the locker room and does nothing but wait until the next day to tell their boss.

but instead you blame the boss
 
and I am having a problem in that you see nothing amiss when someone sees an old man having butt sex with a 10 year old in the locker room and does nothing but wait until the next day to tell their boss.

but instead you blame the boss

They're both to blame. They're all to blame. The big news is that someone of the coach's stature wore blinders. I'm sure you get that. I do agree with you that McCreary should be fired today. Well...he should have been fired when he testified he witnesssed it -- which I think was several years ago. One has to ask: "Where's this story been?" And those who do ask don't understand the power and money behind college football.
 
They're both to blame. They're all to blame. The big news is that someone of the coach's stature wore blinders. I'm sure you get that. I do agree with you that McCreary should be fired today. Well...he should have been fired when he testified he witnesssed it -- which I think was several years ago. One has to ask: "Where's this story been?" And those who do ask don't understand the power and money behind college football.

oh, there is plenty of blame to go around. where were the kid's parents in all of this? surely they were notified. why didn't they insist that the cops do something about it at the time?


didn't this incident happen in 2002? I thought sandusky retired in 1999. WTF was he doing bringing kids up to the locker room anyway?
 
oh, there is plenty of blame to go around. where were the kid's parents in all of this? surely they were notified. why didn't they insist that the cops do something about it at the time?


didn't this incident happen in 2002? I thought sandusky retired in 1999. WTF was he doing bringing kids up to the locker room anyway?

Are you suggesting that it's partly the parents' fault?
 
Are you suggesting that it's partly the parents' fault?

it's as much the parent's fault as it is Paterno's fault. if we are going to blame everyone involved....then let's blame EVERYONE involved.

by not going to the police themselves, this boys parents are just as guilty as Paterno and just as responsible for every boy that got butt-raped afterwards.
 
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oh, there is plenty of blame to go around. where were the kid's parents in all of this? surely they were notified. why didn't they insist that the cops do something about it at the time?


didn't this incident happen in 2002? I thought sandusky retired in 1999. WTF was he doing bringing kids up to the locker room anyway?

If you read the grand jury report, you'll see that there were foster care situations and single moms. One mother did speak up at the time.
 
it's as much the parent's fault as it is Paterno's fault. if we are going to blame everyone involved....then let's blame EVERYONE involved.

by not going to the police themselves, this boys parents are just as guilty as Paterno and just as responsible for every boy that got butt-raped afterwards.

About which boy are you talking?
 
If you read the grand jury report, you'll see that there were foster care situations and single moms. One mother did speak up at the time.

was it the mother of the 10 year old who got butt-raped in the shower?
 
it's as much the parent's fault as it is Paterno's fault. if we are going to blame everyone involved....then let's blame EVERYONE involved.

by not going to the police themselves, this boys parents are just as guilty as Paterno and just as responsible for every boy that got butt-raped afterwards.

Do we know the parents knew?
 
About which boy are you talking?

the 10 year old that got butt-raped in the shower, the one that McQuearey witnessed and did nothing.
 
Do we know the parents knew?

don't know: that's why I asked the question "where were the parents in all of this". If they knew, they are just as guilty as everyone else.
 
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