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say a prayer or spare a good thought for Joe Frazier

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He's suffering terminal liver cancer and is in hospice. One of the true class acts of what is often a corrupt game, he never got the respect he deserved.
Our local news just noted his condition (Channel Five, NBC, Cincinnati)
 
Smokin' Joe! Be cool man, everybody loses the fight for their life eventually, but you held your head up.
 
My favorite boxer of all time.

Dude was relentless.
 
TurtleDude said:
He's suffering terminal liver cancer and is in hospice. One of the true class acts of what is often a corrupt game, he never got the respect he deserved.
Our local news just noted his condition (Channel Five, NBC, Cincinnati)
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Smokin' Joe, what an athlete, what a man! It's a shame we all have to go and the renal cancers are some of the worst, I hope he at the very least doesn't have to suffer, barring a miracle that is. As far as the boxing statement, true and I blame Don King.
 
From the Thrilla in Manilla the following conversation between Ali and Frazier.

Ali entered the ring thinking he was fighting a washed up Frazier, and insulted Frazier often leading up to the fight, calling him a "gorilla." Deeply hurt by the comments, Frazier came at Ali with a vengeance. At one point Ali, gaining new respect for Frazier, whispered in his ear, "Joe, they told me you was all washed up."

His response to Ali was classic, "They told you wrong, pretty boy."
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Ali has to go visit him.



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Thanks for posting this news Turtle. I will be happy to light a candle for his complete recovery.
 
haymarket said:
Thanks for posting this news Turtle. I will be happy to light a candle for his complete recovery.
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sadly I don't think this fight will go the distance. hopefully he will pass with the same dignity that he conducted himself as a fighter and a man. I wish it was different but I hope the man goes with the knowledge that many of us-fight fans or not, realized what a true champion he was
 
It is only fitting to hear from Joe Frazier and the Knockouts.


And just a little Smokin Joe.
 
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I'm very sorry to hear that. It's terrible to suffer such a long, drawn-out death.

Also, I just head that Andy Roony died yesterday. He'll be missed. :(
 
That left hook was fierce eh?
 
TurtleDude said:
He's suffering terminal liver cancer and is in hospice. One of the true class acts of what is often a corrupt game, he never got the respect he deserved.
Our local news just noted his condition (Channel Five, NBC, Cincinnati)
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Man, I sure do hate to hear that.
 
I got to meet Joe Frazier and shake his hand. My High School had both Frazier and Foreman come to give convocations on different days leading up to their big boxing match. Joe Frazier came into my Anthropology class (I guess the teacher invited him) after the convocation where he introduced himself to all of us in the classroom. He is a very nice man.

Both of the fighters were really good at public speaking with Foreman maybe being a little better. I always wondered what happened to Frazier. We all know that Foreman became spokesman for the amazing cooking machines that bear his name. I hope Smokin' Joe has had a great life since that day in 1972 when he shook my hand. I am saddened to learn of his liver cancer. The world stands to lose a giant of a man.
 
Mickey Shane said:
I got to meet Joe Frazier and shake his hand. My High School had both Frazier and Foreman come to give convocations on different days leading up to their big boxing match. Joe Frazier came into my Anthropology class (I guess the teacher invited him) after the convocation where he introduced himself to all of us in the classroom. He is a very nice man.

Both of the fighters were really good at public speaking with Foreman maybe being a little better. I always wondered what happened to Frazier. We all know that Foreman became spokesman for the amazing cooking machines that bear his name. I hope Smokin' Joe has had a great life since that day in 1972 when he shook my hand. I am saddened to learn of his liver cancer. The world stands to lose a giant of a man.
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I am envious of you. Value that memory.
 
The first Ali-Frazier fight in '71 is STILL one of the greatest fights, if not the greatest in boxing history. The left he hit Ali with that knocked him down is one of the most perfect shots ever. Frazier was often underrated because he was small, and he fought in an era with Ali and Foreman, but it didn't matter how much he got hit... he just kept coming. One of the greatest ever.
 
TurtleDude said:
sadly I don't think this fight will go the distance. hopefully he will pass with the same dignity that he conducted himself as a fighter and a man. I wish it was different but I hope the man goes with the knowledge that many of us-fight fans or not, realized what a true champion he was
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He was a great fighter - no doubt about it. If Ali was the greatest fighter of the last fifty years - and I would say he way - Frazier was a solid #2. And I liked his personality and his sense of humor. I liked his appearance in ROCKY too.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
The first Ali-Frazier fight in '71 is STILL one of the greatest fights, if not the greatest in boxing history. The left he hit Ali with that knocked him down is one of the most perfect shots ever. Frazier was often underrated because he was small, and he fought in an era with Ali and Foreman, but it didn't matter how much he got hit... he just kept coming. One of the greatest ever.
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The biggest problem the sport has now is trying to recapture that magic with sub-standard boxers, instead of finding and developing the next Ali, Frazer, and Foreman they are trying to build up so-so fighters as the next big name. It's a crying shame really as I view boxing as one fo the best pure sports along with other martial arts. I see MMA starting to collapse under it's own weight by putting up also rans as kings too. I really wish the promoters would trust that when you have the best the money will come instead of trying to force the rest into the catagory of the greats.
 
LaMidRighter said:
The biggest problem the sport has now is trying to recapture that magic with sub-standard boxers, instead of finding and developing the next Ali, Frazer, and Foreman they are trying to build up so-so fighters as the next big name. It's a crying shame really as I view boxing as one fo the best pure sports along with other martial arts. I see MMA starting to collapse under it's own weight by putting up also rans as kings too. I really wish the promoters would trust that when you have the best the money will come instead of trying to force the rest into the catagory of the greats.
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I've been a big boxing fan for YEARS. The only computer game that I play, nowadays is a boxing sim. What I see as the big problem in boxing is matchmaking. You have too many guys who's promoters "protect" them and their records. Also, rival promoters often won't pit their best against each other, causing fans to lose out on good fights. All this means that some of the best fights don't happen. Hopkins-Jones II should have happened years before it did. Mayweather-Pacquiao probably won't EVER happen. I know there are other reasons, but promoters are a big one. I liked the super middleweight tournament in concept, but in practice, it didn't turn out as well as it might have. Too many organizations, too, and organizations that don't cooperate with each other. Boxing is easily the worst managed major sport there is.
 
Mickey Shane said:
I got to meet Joe Frazier and shake his hand. My High School had both Frazier and Foreman come to give convocations on different days leading up to their big boxing match. Joe Frazier came into my Anthropology class (I guess the teacher invited him) after the convocation where he introduced himself to all of us in the classroom. He is a very nice man.

Both of the fighters were really good at public speaking with Foreman maybe being a little better. I always wondered what happened to Frazier. We all know that Foreman became spokesman for the amazing cooking machines that bear his name. I hope Smokin' Joe has had a great life since that day in 1972 when he shook my hand. I am saddened to learn of his liver cancer. The world stands to lose a giant of a man.
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I had a similar experience with Smokin' Joe, I don't remember much of it but I remember being a 5th or 6th grader and thinking this guy was huge!! I remember his hands being gigantic. Unfortunately I don't remember much of the detail but I do remember meeting him. Can't remember if Ken Norton was there or not - but Joe was a Philly boy and I was in NJ so it was probably a pretty big deal. I do remember watching the film of Smokin' Joe and he was the bulldog. We all end up in the ground, and this is just his time. I'm hoping he goes off to the next adventure quickly and in as little pain as possible.... his memory will live on as one of the greats of all time.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I've been a big boxing fan for YEARS.
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Myself. My dad and uncle were boxers in their youth and I picked up a couple of things here and there, when they fought it was all about bringing your best and hanging out after the last punch was thrown. They didn't talk a lot of trash and the big thing was the sport. What a grand one it was.
The only computer game that I play, nowadays is a boxing sim. What I see as the big problem in boxing is matchmaking. You have too many guys who's promoters "protect" them and their records. Also, rival promoters often won't pit their best against each other, causing fans to lose out on good fights.
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Definitely the matchmaking, which is in my own opinion all part of attempting to make decent boxers look like true greats, it's a shame really because there could be an unknown with exceptional talent and class who gets ignored for a self-promoting loudmouthed palooka.
All this means that some of the best fights don't happen. Hopkins-Jones II should have happened years before it did. Mayweather-Pacquiao probably won't EVER happen. I know there are other reasons, but promoters are a big one. I liked the super middleweight tournament in concept, but in practice, it didn't turn out as well as it might have. Too many organizations, too, and organizations that don't cooperate with each other. Boxing is easily the worst managed major sport there is.
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Absolutely right, for instance Don King puts a big name in an HBO fight against a guy who isn't going to go more than three rounds and all at a premium cost of 50-60$ PPV, when the big three carried boxing you got epic matches like the "Rumble in the Jungle", the Foreman fights, all the Ali greatness, and the other Frazier gems right there for all to enjoy. Promoters have lost sight of the sport itself and let quick money ruin the fan experience. I think the only way to revive the sport is for the associations to cooperate and for some standards being set for major title matches. We are losing the greats at too fast of a pace.
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LaMidRighter said:
Myself. My dad and uncle were boxers in their youth and I picked up a couple of things here and there, when they fought it was all about bringing your best and hanging out after the last punch was thrown. They didn't talk a lot of trash and the big thing was the sport. What a grand one it was. Definitely the matchmaking, which is in my own opinion all part of attempting to make decent boxers look like true greats, it's a shame really because there could be an unknown with exceptional talent and class who gets ignored for a self-promoting loudmouthed palooka. Absolutely right, for instance Don King puts a big name in an HBO fight against a guy who isn't going to go more than three rounds and all at a premium cost of 50-60$ PPV, when the big three carried boxing you got epic matches like the "Rumble in the Jungle", the Foreman fights, all the Ali greatness, and the other Frazier gems right there for all to enjoy. Promoters have lost sight of the sport itself and let quick money ruin the fan experience. I think the only way to revive the sport is for the associations to cooperate and for some standards being set for major title matches. We are losing the greats at too fast of a pace.
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During the "Golden Age" of Heavyweights... mid-60's to the mid-70's... just before the "alphabet soup" crap of 20 different organizations, all the best heavyweights fought all the best heavyweights, several times. There was no "ducking" or promoter protection, and no "creating" of great boxers who actually fought no one. These guys fought everyone, and you knew who the best were.
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CaptainCourtesy said:
During the "Golden Age" of Heavyweights... mid-60's to the mid-70's... just before the "alphabet soup" crap of 20 different organizations, all the best heavyweights fought all the best heavyweights, several times. There was no "ducking" or promoter protection, and no "creating" of great boxers who actually fought no one. These guys fought everyone, and you knew who the best were.
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The Frazier/Ali/Foreman/et. al. generation was raised to respect the sport and take pride in their craft, sure they made a living fighting, but it was more than that, being champion still meant something to those guys. Unfortunately somewhere down the line enough guys figured out how to get more money out of "premium" fights and raised up a new generation of "boxers" who are raised to look for a payday first and fight second, I have no questions in my mind that prime for prime the older guys would humiliate Mayweather, Tyson(well, after he lost Cus D'Amato anyway) and many others in the respective classes. It's a shame to see the old greats starting to succumb to age, Ali with Parkinson's, This bombshell about Frazier's liver cancer, etc.

Edit- And even then, many of the greats had shorter matches then their predecessors, in the late 19th early 20th they fought till a knockout, no round limits, no TKOs, and the only way to end a match early was to submit. I think the record stands at something like 112 rounds or something. That is insane.

Edit Edit- just looked it up, New Orleans, in the 1890's, the longest match took over 7 hours, went 110 rounds and was indeed called a no contest due to the inability of both fighters to physically continue the fight.
 
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Well, he's exactly where he should be now...I hope he's unconscious and goes quickly...My hope for everyone, actually.
 
TurtleDude said:
He's suffering terminal liver cancer and is in hospice. One of the true class acts of what is often a corrupt game, he never got the respect he deserved.
Our local news just noted his condition (Channel Five, NBC, Cincinnati)
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Terminal liver cancer...wooooof
 
Zona said:
Terminal liver cancer...wooooof
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I am having difficulty understanding your post. Since you seem to be an oracle what is your prediction? I think Obama is gonna beat Obama in 2012 BTW
 
TurtleDude said:
I am having difficulty understanding your post. Since you seem to be an oracle what is your prediction? I think Obama is gonna beat Obama in 2012 BTW
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I have no idea what you are talking about. I will stay on point here for ya....I am sorry to see a great fighter in this situation. There are plenty of political threads you can blather on sir. Have a great day.
 
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