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Al Qaeda in the New Libya?

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Earlier this week, I went to the Benghazi courthouse and confirmed the rumors: an al Qaeda flag was clearly visible; its Arabic script declaring that “there is no God but Allah” and a full moon underneath. When I tried to take pictures, a Salafi-looking guard, wearing a green camouflage outfit, rushed towards me and demanded to know what I was doing. My response was straightforward: I was taking a picture of the flag. He gave me an intimidating look and hissed, “Whomever speaks ill of this flag, we will cut off his tongue. I recommend that you don’t publish these. You will bring trouble to yourself.”
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But none of this should be surprising. In Tripoli, Abdelhakim Belhaj, a well-known al Qaeda fighter and founder of the notorious Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), is now leading the rebel “military counsel” in Tripoli. A few weeks ago, Belhaj ordered his fighters to take command of the Tripoli airport, then controlled by a group of Zintan fighters, a brigade of Berber Libyans who helped liberate the capital from Gaddafi loyalists. A few days later, Belhaj gave a speech emphasizing that his actions had the blessings of the NTC, who appointed him to the leadership of Tripoli’s military command.
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Is this the New Libya?
 
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The wolf changes its hair, but not its habit
 
OMG...we never saw that coming. :lamo
 
Yeah, I can just see al-Queda saying to NATO, "so long, suckers!"

While NATO and the US try to leave Libya alone for self-determination (as we should), al-Queda has no such scruples. Al-Queda receives zero bad press for interventionism or accusations of imperialism, while the US is constantly accused of it. *sigh*
 
EagleAye said:
Yeah, I can just see al-Queda saying to NATO, "so long, suckers!"

While NATO and the US try to leave Libya alone for self-determination (as we should), al-Queda has no such scruples. Al-Queda receives zero bad press for interventionism or accusations of imperialism, while the US is constantly accused of it. *sigh*
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I guess you just can't overthrow a dictator then wash your hands of the situation and hope for the best.
 
Conservatives in 2003: "We must overthrow Saddam and start a new age of democracy in the Middle East."

Conservatives in 2011: "Oh crap, there's democracy in the Middle East. You never told us there would be Muslims."
 
rocket88 said:
Conservatives in 2003: "We must overthrow Saddam and start a new age of democracy in the Middle East."

Conservatives in 2011: "Oh crap, there's democracy in the Middle East. You never told us there would be Muslims."
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That almost sounds like you're saying that all Muslims are terrorists.
 
looks like we chose the lesser of two-evils.

it happens sometimes. the world is an imperfect place.

:(
 
rocket88 said:
Conservatives in 2003: "We must overthrow Saddam and start a new age of democracy in the Middle East."

Conservatives in 2011: "Oh crap, there's democracy in the Middle East. You never told us there would be Muslims."
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Is this what democracy looks like to you?
 
rocket88 said:
Conservatives in 2003: "We must overthrow Saddam and start a new age of democracy in the Middle East."

Conservatives in 2011: "Oh crap, there's democracy in the Middle East. You never told us there would be Muslims."
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What 2011 democracy are you talking about?
 
conservativeguy said:
What 2011 democracy are you talking about?
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How about Tunisia?

Popular revolts toppling dictators, you never really know what will happen. Again, did you want Gaddafi in power? Go ahead and defend that. In fact, I think that should be a plank in the GOP platform for 2012 -- "Gaddafi was awesome"
 
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A Kodak moment for the ages...
 
rocket88 said:
Give it time. It's not like they had a Constitution waiting "just in case."
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The Sharia Constitution?

Leading From Behind in Libya's Aftermath: Sharia Law and Al-Qaeda's Flag | Death and Taxes

(In Libya) For the last 42 years things were decided from the top down, and now the populace — many of whom have never voted — are faced with a challenge.

This has led to what is making “leading from behind” suddenly seem like a sticky strategy. Fundamental changes have occurred since Gaddafi’s death eight days ago. Sharīʿah law is now in place, which means discrimination against women, Islamic banking law, which prohibits banks from earning interest, and a host of other measures large and small.

“Any law that violates sharia is null and void legally,” said interim leader Mustafa Abdel Jalil on Sunday. He then cited an example of restrictions on polygamy, which, for his evil, Gaddafi’s regime is responsible for passing.
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So the reason Obama states for overthrowing Gaddafi is because of human rights? I wonder how women in Libya will feel about their rights under Sharia law?

Al-Qaeda’s flag is now flying next to the Libyan one at the courthouse in Benghazi where the revolution began. (There are multiple pictures that support this claim.) The flag’s message, “There is no God but Allah,” is definitively not copacetic with the American government.
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Yahoo news reports that “Libya’s Islamists are a rising force in the country’s political arena, some of whom, such as Abdelhakim Belhaj, the founder of the Al-Qaeda linked but now-disbanded Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), are expected to hold prominent positions.”
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Oh my god an Al Qaeda flag! This must mean that the new government will become just some extreme form of Sharia law!
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1059917283 said:
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A Kodak moment for the ages...
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In 1963, Saddam Hussein worked with the CIA to carry out the coup by the Baath party, which eventually brought him to power in Iraq.
the CIA, Saddam and other members of the Baath party collaborated to bring about the coup, murdering perhaps 5,000 people in the process. The United States went on to help Saddam win the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s.
In early 1963, Saddam had more important things to worry about than his outstanding bill at the Andiana Cafe. On February 8, a military coup in Baghdad, in which the Baath Party played a leading role, overthrew Qassim. Support for the conspirators was limited. In the first hours of fighting, they had only nine tanks under their control. The Baath Party had just 850 active members. But Qassim ignored warnings about the impending coup. What tipped the balance against him was the involvement of the United States.

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these things and your pic and other pics founded in internet are not smth new which can suprise us at all.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Oh my god an Al Qaeda flag! This must mean that the new government will become just some extreme form of Sharia law!
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In case you're unfamiliar with a Al Qaeda it's a global militant Islamist terrorist organization founded by Osama bin Laden, calling for global Jihad and the creation of a new Islamic world wide government.

Does that appear extreme to you?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Oh my god an Al Qaeda flag! This must mean that the new government will become just some extreme form of Sharia law!
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The flag, no big deal, but Abdel Hakim Belhaj running things, that's bad: (my bold)
Prison Planet.com » Al-Qaeda Commander Ordered Sharia Law In Libya
However, the move to implement Sharia law was not a decision made by the NTC, reports Israeli intelligence source DebkaFile, it was ordered by Abdel Hakim Belhaj, the former Al-Qaeda commander whose Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, with the aid of NATO’s bombing campaign, now controls strategic areas of the country.

It was generally believed in Tripoli that the strongmen ruling the capital, Abdel Hakim Belhaj, ex-al Qaeda, and Ismail and Ali al-Sallabi, heads of the Libyan Muslim Brotherhood, only granted Abdul-Jalil’s wish for a big liberation rally in Benghazi after he agreed to declare the new Libya a Sharia state.

But after the grand celebration is over, DEBKAfile’s sources report, the transitional leader will be little more than a figurehead. Even now, he is confined in Benghazi by the three strongmen, who control most parts of the capital, and have not given him permission to move the seat of the interim government to Tripoli.
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So much for democracy, "by the people" in Libya.
 
EagleAye said:
The flag, no big deal, but Abdel Hakim Belhaj running things, that's bad: (my bold)
Prison Planet.com » Al-Qaeda Commander Ordered Sharia Law In Libya


So much for democracy, "by the people" in Libya.
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More from the same article:

Prison Planet.com » Al-Qaeda Commander Ordered Sharia Law In Libya

While the establishment media grandstands about “freedom” and “democracy” being brought to Libya and other Middle Eastern countries as a result of the “Arab Spring,” and NATO-backed regime change, in reality the west has deliberately installed radical regimes who if anything will become more brutal than the tyrants they have replaced. This in turn builds tension throughout the region and lays the pretext for additional US and Israeli intervention further down the line.
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1059917489 said:
In case you're unfamiliar with a Al Qaeda it's a global militant Islamist terrorist organization founded by Osama bin Laden, calling for global Jihad and the creation of a new Islamic world wide government.

Does that appear extreme to you?
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AL-Qaeda isn't a proper terrorist organization.


Osama Bin Laden - The Director, The Manager, The Engineer. His father was a billionaire construction
Ayman al Zawahiri - is an Egyptian physician, His wife and three of his six children were killed in an air strike on Afghanistan by US forces in late 2001
Saif Saif al-Din al-Ansari al-Adel: - al-Qaida’s security chief. a strategic thinker.
Suleiman Abu Ghaith - spokesman
Mustafa Ahmed Hassan Hamza - Commander of the military branch of the Islamic Group
Abu Ubeid al-Qurashi - al-Qaida intellectual, propagandist and writer.
Midhat Mursi - Al-Qaida’s main WMD researcher and general weapons expert. able for weapons research and development camp interested in chemical and biological weapons, particularly toxins. A good scientist.
Seikh Saiid al-Masri - Bin Laden chief financier and brother-in-law. Twice arrested, but released both times. A good financier.
Abu Laith al Libi - An al-Qaeda field commander and spokesman.
Mustafa Setmariam Nasar - a good politician and a Koranic expert who has traveled widely in Europe.
Imad Fayez Mugniyah - head of the security apparatus.
Francisco Palop Monje - part of al-Qaida’s financial network
Parlindugan Siregar - Instructor of physical training
Tarek Hdia - logistical supporter
Maria Dolores Cerda Ibanez - part of financial network
Aafia Siddiqui - expert for neurological science

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lot of financiers, scientists, intellectuals, experts, philosophers, psychologists, politicians, men and women. people from afghanistan, egypt, tunisia, iraq, indonesia, kenya, syria, libya, yemen, jordania and even from spain, france, usa.
Not a bad hirearchy.

they all came from rich families. Their goal is always "money" rather then "i hate that guy, let's kill him"
 
EagleAye said:
Apparently I didn't read far enough. *oops* I'm not sure how or why anyone could think the West is deliberately installing al-Qaeda as the leadership in Libya. That's absolutely contradictory to the West's goals.
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sometimes when you need to get the castle, best strategy is to capture it from inside.

Mabye this is what they are having in mind. USA did the same with Sadddam Hussein.

If you want to destroy Al-Qaeda, then put your men inside it.
 
EagleAye said:
Apparently I didn't read far enough. *oops* I'm not sure how or why anyone could think the West is deliberately installing al-Qaeda as the leadership in Libya. That's absolutely contradictory to the West's goals.
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I think the word "deliberately" was a poor word choice for the author of the article. It doesn't fit the author's meaning. It appears "inadvertently" is a better fit for what he was trying to to say.
 
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