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The 53%: We are NOT Occupy Wall Street

It takes a special kind of mindset to declare the military a 'socialist' organization.
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Possibly one not mired in political dementia. It is in its essence a socialist organization, as it is founded and run by the state for the national interest and security of the country.


...duh?
 
Mickey Shane said:
Cute, a GI telling me, a 20 year framing carpenter about hard work.
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So because you say you are a framing carpenter that's supposed to give you cred on the interwebz? Lots of people work hard - the military's no free lunch either, neither is picking vegetables as an immigrant, or being a small farmer, or a thousand other jobs. :roll:
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Sounds like a good reason to get rid of the Bush tax cuts and reduce that 47%.
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Yes by all means go after the people who create the jobs and businesses.

Do liberals ever learn from their mistakes of the past? Oh yea the answer is hell no.
 
Here is an unnecessary division being propagated here by the media. The OWS people are angry about the same things the T party people are. Government spending, Unemployment, wrongful business practices, liars and cheats in high positions, ridiculous congressional ineptitude, the list goes on. In the same way that the T party is accused of racism and bigotry, the OWS people are accused of hippiedom and laziness. Neither is true. The fact is that many T party people were of minority decent, and many OWS people work or did work more than 40 hour weeks. I am surprised how easily so many of you seek to divide because the cable news channel tells you that this or that is happening. I admire both the T party and the OWS though I disagree with a few specific aspects ofc. The OWs have accomplished a single thing the T party never did. Once again we now may demonstrate in America w/o the need of getting a permit (I.E. PERMISSION) from the government. Do you honestly believe King George would have given the Boston Massacre bunch a permit to protest? Also do you honestly believe that the T party is a republican leaning group? I can certify that just because the talking heads say that they are, they are definitely not. The OWS are no more left leaning than the T party is right leaning. Yes I know there are hundreds of vids and many interviews, however that means very little because of two factors. First news channels seek outliers to exploit for ratings. The norm seldom sells and thus the most extreme examples are those placed on the news. Also the internet is full of outrageous stuff, from camels jumping through fire to the latest drone flights. This shows that the novel is placed online due only to the novelty. While this is not always the case, it is in the majority and all the more when emotions and opinions start to rule the day. Right wingers, go meet with some OWS people close to you before making an opinion, and liberals, go to a T party for yourself.
The basic idea as I have been told of the OWS function is to stop corporate interference in governmental affairs, seek much more direct and functional transparency, and provide opportunity for advancement that is far more even tan the present social situation allows in modern day America. Many speak of "equal opportunity" however these same people have no idea of the truth of the state of the union. Wall Street brokers can make 20,000$ in ten minutes and they need not even be correct in their assessment to do so. It is not their own money they risk but instead a future projection made with many peoples money. This is why gas prices have risen more than 200%. This does not come because someone went to college and studied hard or worked diligently, this is a position born of networking and affluence. Now know that if a person makes 50k per year they are in the top 10% wage earners in the U.S. Does this seem like equal opportunity to you? There is more disparity in America than in any other industrialized nation on earth. Whats more, my daughter was born a month ago and is presently 143,673.34 in debt. This is not my doing but instead the pervasive theft of a generation. This is why the American people are seeking a reformation. I suggest uniting and fighting as one, not allowing CNN and FOX News to dictate our understanding of reality.
 
How much did you get paid while you were in?
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Don't remember but E-4 pay is available online.
How many times did you recieve your benefit sheet indicating how much your 'socialized' medicine was actually worth as a benefit?
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I think it was invaluable. Being able to go to the doctor at any time, and pay nothing at all was the greatest feeling in the world. I had to see specialists after coming back from my deployment and I never had to worry about costs. The peace of mind was invaluable.

Fast forward to right after I get out in college and get a migraine and get a doctor bill of like 500 bucks for seeing a doctor and just getting a shot. Not to mention 90 bucks per migraine pill.
In any other job you would be compensated at a much higher rate.
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Of course, so people have proven time and time again things like free medical care is worth lower pay....or in another way of looking at it higher taxes.
 
iliveonramen said:
Let's be honest here, a large chunk of your pay is via food provided, housing provided, completely free insurance etc. You're basically living the socialists dream.
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Not really - it's all prt of the miltiary pay; and therresult is that your acutal base pay is much smaller. so, for esxample, as a Sgt, I get about 2400 a month bas bpay. in the civiliaian world, with my jobs, I would get aboubt 7K+ a montha in pay.... tand that's AFTER taxes.
 
cpwill said:
Not really - it's all prt of the miltiary pay; and therresult is that your acutal base pay is much smaller. so, for esxample, as a Sgt, I get about 2400 a month bas bpay. in the civiliaian world, with my jobs, I would get aboubt 7K+ a montha in pay.... tand that's AFTER taxes.
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Youre not saying... it should be free are you?
 
iliveonramen said:
I definately don't disdain the military in fact completely the opposite. Military healthcare is the only TRUE socialist medicine outside of Cuba
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which si why it' sSUCKS. gawd I ahate Tricare. whata 'a STUPID friggin way ato do it. i hada a buddy - simple frigain growth aplate break - TWO YEARS THEY CKEPT ****ING HIM BAK UP TRYIGN TO FIX IHIM. he ended up having to get a SHINGBONE replaced. damn. he swas FINE until socialist medicine got ahold of him.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
Youre not saying... it should be free are you?
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What?

:SHruga: i've said plenty fo ftimes that ia would take a HSA, swithce the pension to a four 01k etc.
 
cpwill said:
not just hard work, but responsible fiscal behavior. And I'm a Marine :) there is a difference.
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A Marine is still Government Issue.

I'm happy to hear of your responsible fiscal behavior. My ducks are in a row and I shall retire in 6 short years :). I'm so short I need a step ladder to get into my boots (Nam era draftee saying for those in their 13th month).

You, on the other hand, will retire from the Marine Corp sometime smack dab in the middle of your working years. At that time you will have to go out and apply for work for the first time in your life. I expect you will do well.
 
Mustachio said:
Those pictures are nauseating. "Suck it up you whiners?" Seriously? Sorry to break it to you, but "I'm too manly to complain about my situation" is far from the best argument against OWS.

They should have pictures like that against health care reform with people saying "I desperately need a liver transplant, but I'm not going to get one because I'm not a whiner."
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I tend to agree. Our financial crisis occurred because investment banks lobbied our congressmen to relax banking regulations, allowing them to wreak economic havoc.They've used their political influence to go unpunished and to halt attempts at reining in their mischief. Many people are suffering hardships because of wall street economic crimes. It just seems to me to be completely unamerican to decide to take it on the chin, work twice as hard and not raise hell about an obvious injustice that has caused so much misery. This is not what Americans have done in the past. Sure, personal responsibility and hard work are as American as apple pie but this is not an issue about a group of people who are too lazy to work hard for the American dream. They're mad because the American dream is being dismantled.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
Youre not saying... it should be free are you?
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nah...they should pay soldiers commensurate to union workers salary. How much an hour would you take for spending 7 of 20 years of your career separated from your family, working overtime and weekends whenever told you have to, being shot at, having bombs dropped on your head, etc? Lets see...we know what they are paying the Blackwater types...so...if you are suggesting that military folks should be paid comparable to civilian sector...I highly doubt you are going to get any complaints from the military. Of course...its going to cost a hell of a lot more since now the soldiers cant be forced to live in barracks, cant be forced on meal cards, will have to pay overtime...etc.

Mil pay has always been a give and take scenario. Military personnel accept the lower pay and the working conditions (USUALLY without whining about how unfair life is when they actually get deployed and sent to do the job they volunteered to do) with the understanding and agreement that long term there will be a return...provided that they survive and provided they stay in.
 
Mickey Shane said:
A Marine is still Government Issue.

I'm happy to hear of your responsible fiscal behavior. My ducks are in a row and I shall retire in 6 short years :). I'm so short I need a step ladder to get into my boots (Nam era draftee saying for those in their 13th month).
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mada respect. the anam guys - we all owe you forawhat we agot that you never did.

You, on the other hand, will retire from the Marine Corp sometime smack dab in the middle of your working years. At that time you will have to go out and apply for work for the first time in your life. I expect you will do well.
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damn striaght, i gota friggin a familiy aanda haf to support- i better eh!? LOL
 
VanceMack said:
nah...they should pay soldiers commensurate to union workers salary. How much an hour would you take for spending 7 of 20 years of your career separated from your family, working overtime and weekends whenever told you have to, being shot at, having bombs dropped on your head, etc? Lets see...we know what they are paying the Blackwater types...so...if you are suggesting that military folks should be paid comparable to civilian sector...I highly doubt you are going to get any complaints from the military. Of course...its going to cost a hell of a lot more since now the soldiers cant be forced to live in barracks, cant be forced on meal cards, will have to pay overtime...etc.

Mil pay has always been a give and take scenario. Military personnel accept the lower pay and the working conditions (USUALLY without whining about how unfair life is when they actually get deployed and sent to do the job they volunteered to do) with the understanding and agreement that long term there will be a return...provided that they survive and provided they stay in.
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LOL, i gotta ask whoa afthe heck id you serve wiath? man athat must have been a jhooked-up unit. bitching was our oens release. :D and we were PROS.
 
Here is a list of the groups that support Occupy Wall Street, wonder which group those here that support OWS belong to?

The 99%: Official list of Occupy Wall Street’s supporters, sponsors and sympathizers

Communist Party USA
Sources:
Communist Party USA, OWS speech, The Daily Caller


American Nazi Party
Sources:
Media Matters, American Nazi Party, White Honor, Sunshine State News


Ayatollah Khamenei, Supreme Leader of Iran
Sources:
The Guardian, Tehran Times, CBS News


Barack Obama
Sources:
ABC News, CBS News, ForexTV, NBC New York


The government of North Korea
Sources:
Korean Central News Agency (North Korean state-controlled news outlet), The Marxist-Leninist, Wall Street Journal, Times of India


Louis Farrakhan, Nation of Islam
Sources:
video statement (starting at 8:28), Black in America, Weasel Zippers, Philadelphia Weekly


Revolutionary Communist Party
Sources:
Revolutionary Communist Party, Revolution newspaper, in-person appearance


David Duke
Sources:
Talking Points Memo, video statement, davidduke.com


Joe Biden
Sources:
Talking Points Memo, video statement, Mother Jones


Hugo Chavez
Sources:
Mother Jones, Reuters, Examiner.com


Revolutionary Guards of Iran
Sources:
Associated Press, FARS News Agency, UPI


Black Panthers (original)
Sources:
in-person appearance, Occupy Oakland, Oakland Tribune


Socialist Party USA
Sources:
Socialist Party USA, IndyMedia, The Daily Caller


US Border Guard
Sources:
White Reference, www.usborderguard.com, Gateway Pundit, Just Another Day blog


Industrial Workers of the World
Sources:
IWW web site, iww.org, in-person appearances


CAIR
Sources:
in-person appearance, Washington Post, CAIR, CAIR New York


Nancy Pelosi
Sources:
Talking Points Memo, video statement, ABC News, The Weekly Standard


Communist Party of China
Sources:
People’s Daily (Communist Party organ), Reuters, chinataiwan.org, The Telegraph


Hezbollah
Sources:
almoqawama.org, almoqawama.org (2), almoqawama.org (3), wikipedia


9/11Truth.org
Sources:
911truth.org (1), 911truth.org (2), 911truth.org (3)


International Bolshevik Tendency
Sources:
bolshevik.org, Wire Magazine


Anonymous
Sources:
Adbusters, The Guardian, video statement


White Revolution
Source:
whiterevolution.com


International Socialist Organization
Sources:
Socialist Worker, socialistworker.org, in-person appearance


PressTV (Iranian government outlet)
Sources:
PressTV, wikipedia


Marxist Student Union
Sources:
Marxist Student Union, Big Government, marxiststudentunion.blogspot.com


Freedom Road Socialist Organization
Sources:
FightBack News, fightbacknews.org


ANSWER
Sources:
ANSWER press release, ANSWER web site, Xinhua


Party for Socialism and Liberation
Sources:
Liberation News (1), pslweb.org, The Daily Free Press, Liberation News (2)
 
Conservative said:
Here is a list of the groups that support Occupy Wall Street, wonder which group those here that support OWS belong to?

The 99%: Official list of Occupy Wall Street’s supporters, sponsors and sympathizers

Communist Party USA
Sources:
Communist Party USA, OWS speech, The Daily Caller


American Nazi Party
Sources:
Media Matters, American Nazi Party, White Honor, Sunshine State News


Ayatollah Khamenei, Supreme Leader of Iran
Sources:
The Guardian, Tehran Times, CBS News


Barack Obama
Sources:
ABC News, CBS News, ForexTV, NBC New York


The government of North Korea
Sources:
Korean Central News Agency (North Korean state-controlled news outlet), The Marxist-Leninist, Wall Street Journal, Times of India


Louis Farrakhan, Nation of Islam
Sources:
video statement (starting at 8:28), Black in America, Weasel Zippers, Philadelphia Weekly


Revolutionary Communist Party
Sources:
Revolutionary Communist Party, Revolution newspaper, in-person appearance


David Duke
Sources:
Talking Points Memo, video statement, davidduke.com


Joe Biden
Sources:
Talking Points Memo, video statement, Mother Jones


Hugo Chavez
Sources:
Mother Jones, Reuters, Examiner.com


Revolutionary Guards of Iran
Sources:
Associated Press, FARS News Agency, UPI


Black Panthers (original)
Sources:
in-person appearance, Occupy Oakland, Oakland Tribune


Socialist Party USA
Sources:
Socialist Party USA, IndyMedia, The Daily Caller


US Border Guard
Sources:
White Reference, www.usborderguard.com, Gateway Pundit, Just Another Day blog


Industrial Workers of the World
Sources:
IWW web site, iww.org, in-person appearances


CAIR
Sources:
in-person appearance, Washington Post, CAIR, CAIR New York


Nancy Pelosi
Sources:
Talking Points Memo, video statement, ABC News, The Weekly Standard


Communist Party of China
Sources:
People’s Daily (Communist Party organ), Reuters, chinataiwan.org, The Telegraph


Hezbollah
Sources:
almoqawama.org, almoqawama.org (2), almoqawama.org (3), wikipedia


9/11Truth.org
Sources:
911truth.org (1), 911truth.org (2), 911truth.org (3)


International Bolshevik Tendency
Sources:
bolshevik.org, Wire Magazine


Anonymous
Sources:
Adbusters, The Guardian, video statement


White Revolution
Source:
whiterevolution.com


International Socialist Organization
Sources:
Socialist Worker, socialistworker.org, in-person appearance


PressTV (Iranian government outlet)
Sources:
PressTV, wikipedia


Marxist Student Union
Sources:
Marxist Student Union, Big Government, marxiststudentunion.blogspot.com


Freedom Road Socialist Organization
Sources:
FightBack News, fightbacknews.org


ANSWER
Sources:
ANSWER press release, ANSWER web site, Xinhua


Party for Socialism and Liberation
Sources:
Liberation News (1), pslweb.org, The Daily Free Press, Liberation News (2)
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Sweet list!! It doesn't bode a lot of confidence in OWS actually... or the attempt to give credibility to OWS by attempting to tie it to the TP, which is the current media storyline as well as political narrative.
 
Ockham said:
Sweet list!! It doesn't bode a lot of confidence in OWS actually... or the attempt to give credibility to OWS by attempting to tie it to the TP, which is the current media storyline as well as political narrative.
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That was exactly the point in posting the list. The media and many here try to tie the two groups together and I haven't found support for the T.E.A. Party from many if any of those groups or individuals.
 
Sweet. Glad to see conservatives following in the foot prints of those disgusting enough to attempt to smear the entire Tea Party movement by pointing out neo-nazi groups, the KKK, birthers, religious extremists, and racists that glommed onto that movement.

:roll:

Funny Ockham, "SWEET LIST!" didn't seem to be the type of response I remember from you when the attempts of guilt by association were done to the tea party.
 
Zyphlin said:
Sweet. Glad to see conservatives following in the foot prints of those disgusting enough to attempt to smear the entire Tea Party movement by pointing out neo-nazi groups, the KKK, birthers, religious extremists, and racists that glommed onto that movement.

:roll:

Funny Ockham, "SWEET LIST!" didn't seem to be the type of response I remember from you when the attempts of guilt by association were done to the tea party.
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Sadly, there are hypocrites on both sides. When you see things like this on either side, it's clear that facts come second to partisan agenda. Honestly and truly, for this reason I have come to completely despise politics.
 
Zyphlin said:
Sweet. Glad to see conservatives following in the foot prints of those disgusting enough to attempt to smear the entire Tea Party movement by pointing out neo-nazi groups, the KKK, birthers, religious extremists, and racists that glommed onto that movement.

:roll:

Funny Ockham, "SWEET LIST!" didn't seem to be the type of response I remember from you when the attempts of guilt by association were done to the tea party.
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Depends... how do you think I meant "Sweet List"?

Second... I don't remember a list of associations with the Tea Party - could you remind me when/if that happened?

Third ... my point was and still is, OWS and the TP are not for the same things. As far as I can tell, there are possible 2 issues which they agree on. My comment is very much identifying a political and strategic play being made to tie the two together to give credibility to OWS, which I find amusing.

What part is confusing you Zyph? I'll be glad to clear it up for you.
 
Zyphlin said:
Sweet. Glad to see conservatives following in the foot prints of those disgusting enough to attempt to smear the entire Tea Party movement by pointing out neo-nazi groups, the KKK, birthers, religious extremists, and racists that glommed onto that movement.

:roll:

Funny Ockham, "SWEET LIST!" didn't seem to be the type of response I remember from you when the attempts of guilt by association were done to the tea party.
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It is a "Sweet List" in that it points out the hypocrisy of those involved in the OWS rallies in that they have no problem being associated with those groups. Why aren't they distancing themselves from those groups? It is about time someone spoke up and showed where the real support is coming from and to point out that Wall Street doesn't make the laws under which they operate thus the misguided attempts by these radicals that promote violence and civil disobedience.
 
Conservative said:
It is a "Sweet List" in that it points out the hypocrisy of those involved in the OWS rallies in that they have no problem being associated with those groups. Why aren't they distancing themselves from those groups? It is about time someone spoke up and showed where the real support is coming from and to point out that Wall Street doesn't make the laws under which they operate thus the misguided attempts by these radicals that promote violence and civil disobedience.
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Translation: You completely missed the point of Zyph's post.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Sadly, there are hypocrites on both sides. When you see things like this on either side, it's clear that facts come second to partisan agenda. Honestly and truly, for this reason I have come to completely despise politics.
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Please provide the list of groups who have opening givens speeches in support of the T.E.A. Party and site the references as I just did?
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Translation: You completely missed the point of Zyph's post.
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No, I didn't miss the point and look forward to you posting a corresponding list of radicals that supported the T.E.A. Party opening and in the media?
 
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