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Gaddafi sodomized: Video shows abuse frame by frame (GRAPHIC)

Did you know every Muslim that doesn't eat pork and makes a pilgrimage to Mecca is running their life by Sharia law, does that make you uneasy too?
What makes me uneasy is a mentality that allows you to wear a bomb-belt into an crowd of innocent people and kill them. And possibly the mentality in which you would have your children doing it too. There happens to be one religion that has a high tendency to promote such thinking. And not only thinking, but doing.
 
Only extremists and their fellow-travellers think like that, and they are a tiny percentage of people. The doers, even fewer.
 
Only extremists and their fellow-travellers think like that, and they are a tiny percentage of people. The doers, even fewer.

I dunno about that. Who are the leaders that support Sharia Law and the followers who enforce it? I find it dubious that it is only a tiny percentage of people. It smells of minimalization, to me.
 
Only extremists and their fellow-travellers think like that, and they are a tiny percentage of people. The doers, even fewer.
Wow, only a small percentage you say. Muslims around the world have been polled on their view of the use of terrorism as a tool to advance Islamic faith. You are correct, only 10% of those polled agree with the use of terrorism. Now apply that tiny percentage to the tiny 1.3 billion Muslim population and you have another tiny number...........130,000,000 Muslims think terrorism is a good thing. If that makes you sleep well at night so be it.
 
This is disgusting. Blaming it on liberals is even more disgusting.
 
Sense some dudes half way across the world did this, then it must be the liberals fault! Damn perverted liberals!
 
This is disgusting. Blaming it on liberals is even more disgusting.
I've dove on the sword (excuse the pun) and admitted this thread didn't work out like I had intended.

With that said.....if you think hurling cyber insults on the Internet is worse than having a knife jammed into your colon, I would hate to see how you party. :lamo
 
Because there was a war. In a battle exist no rules like those we are used to read. Pertecipating into a battle isn't same with partecipating into a sport match where you have to play under some rules. Orer the wars are no rules. You have a gun and bullets coming on to you. No rule defends you on that moment.

Besides, putting amateurs into battles will always lead in finish results like what we saw. Because amateurs are not trained soldiers who will act always with cold blood and with emotions under the control.

The war, the gun you shoot, the shooting sound, the deaths, the desire to win etc etc gives to an untrained human an excessive adrenaline & excessive enthusiasm which will lead in loosing the control of your emetions.
The ones who killed Gaddaff weren't true soldiers. You can notice it even by watching the way they are celebrating.
Most of them will regret but on those moments they weren't really thinking at their best side of behaviour.

It was war effect into untrained soldiers.
 
There's another vid circulating which shows him being found, dragged out the tunnel, and before he gets to the truck, shot in the head. I wonder who was starring in this one?
 
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It was war effect into untrained soldiers.

No this was the fairy tale along with the idea we were trying to protect civilian lives with a no fly zone.

Qatar admits sending hundreds of troops to support Libya rebels

Qatari chief-of-staff reveals extent of involvment, saying troops were responsible for training, communications and strategy

The revelation came as Qatar hosted a conference on the post-Gaddafi era that was attended by the leader of Libya's ruling National Transitional Council, Mustafa Abdel-Jalil, who described the Qataris as having planned the battles that paved the way for victory.

Qatari special forces are reported to have provided infantry training to Libyan fighters in the western Nafusa mountains and in eastern Libya. Qatar's military even brought Libyan rebels back to Doha for exercises. And in the final assault on Gaddafi's Bab al-Aziziya compound in Tripoli in late August, Qatari special forces were seen on the frontline. Qatar also gave $400m to the rebels, helped them export oil from Benghazi and set up a TV station in Doha.

Libyan gratitude is clear. The maroon and white flag of Qatar is often flown at celebrations and Algeria Square in central Tripoli has been renamed Qatar Square in honour of the country's support in toppling Gaddafi. Some, however, express concern at the emirate's support for Islamist elements such as the 17 February Martyrs Brigade, one of the most influential rebel formations, led by Abdel-Hakim Belhaj.

Qatar admits sending hundreds of troops to support Libya rebels | World news | The Guardian

At the same time Saif Al-Islam is probably in Niger and has said he wants to hand himself into to the ICC so if nobody kills him first, maybe we will eventually find out what was really going on. :shock:
 
That is a gross understatement. I will stand here and admit I really blew it with this thread. :3oops:

Yeah, you did. Your actual premise... was it wise to join NATO at the behest of our allies to aid in a civil war... was a good premise. I was very leery about this too. If in fact Obama had acted unilaterally, I would have been furious. But he didn't. France, Britain and Spain spearheaded this NATO-led attack. So you should have come at the premise about when and why should we abandon an ally's assistance request and refuse to be part of a NATO operation.

Instead you laid the whole thing at the feet of Obama and those "liberals", and turned what could have been an interesting, fruitful discussion into just another *yawn* hyper-partisian hackfest. Next time, choose your words more carefully and you will be much more successful. :)
 
What makes me uneasy is a mentality that allows you to wear a bomb-belt into an crowd of innocent people and kill them. And possibly the mentality in which you would have your children doing it too. There happens to be one religion that has a high tendency to promote such thinking. And not only thinking, but doing.

Do you prefer that the bomb be dropped from a plane instead? The problem here is that we simply don't understand the mentality of people in the East. Whereas the West has long given up the idea of an entire populace investing every single piece of man power, the East(and that includes Africa) still believes that in war, everything is fair. To be honest? I don't blame them. What other choice do you have when your enemies have historically been ******s about fighting starting with the German massacre of the Herero in the early 20th century.
 
Yeah, you did. Your actual premise... was it wise to join NATO at the behest of our allies to aid in a civil war... was a good premise. I was very leery about this too. If in fact Obama had acted unilaterally, I would have been furious. But he didn't. France, Britain and Spain spearheaded this NATO-led attack. So you should have come at the premise about when and why should we abandon an ally's assistance request and refuse to be part of a NATO operation.

Instead you laid the whole thing at the feet of Obama and those "liberals", and turned what could have been an interesting, fruitful discussion into just another *yawn* hyper-partisian hackfest. Next time, choose your words more carefully and you will be much more successful. :)

I thought this was an interesting, and fruitful discussion. Just one a little cluttered with those who support and oppose BO bickering over the points that are specific to who was behind the US actions.

Not sure this can be discussed without some attention paid to why the decisions were made how they were, and if they were the correct ones to make, and I am pretty sure there would be questioning and even ridicule no matter who was in the white house.

If anyone wants to believe there are not different standards of what is acceptable from both ends of the spectrum they are welcome to do so, but that just does not seem to be accurate.
 
There's another vid circulating which shows him being found, dragged out the tunnel, and before he gets to the truck, shot in the head. I wonder who was starring in this one?

I know more than one person who believes that this was not MG and that is was a body double etc. (tough job that would be, ouch) because MG really did have a good relationship with the US in recent years, and had some kind of special relationship with BO.

I cant say I share that opinion, but given what we already know about how things can be made to look very different than they actually are I can not totally discount it either.

What I still can not understand is why push out MG just to help new more radical leaders come to power. It just does not make any sense to give more power to radicals unless someone or some group here is somehow looking to help their concern.

One thing I do know is that there is a good chance we may look at all of this very differently down the road when more information becomes available.
 
What i am saying is that there is nothing that anyone could do to me or anyone i loved that would make me sink to the depths of those animals who torture and shove knives up peoples asses.

You must not give a rats ass about your loved ones enough to not want to give a little pay back to the scumbag or scumbags who would harm and or kill your loved ones.


And be careful mate. You know nothing about me and what my experiences may or may not have been. Might pay you to leave it at that.

So you are saying that you and your loved ones were victimized by a brutal dictator for decades?
 
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that's a funny comment given that Mitt has been married to the same woman for years, hasn't blown her off despite her contracting MS, and there is absolutely no hint of any infidelity

of course taking a cheap shot at his faith is par for the course-from both the left and the bible thumping right

You=too serious I think. It was kinda funny.
 
don't ask me if I served in the Army and then when I give you an answer you question it. Its very annoying.

Just getting to know you. Bit of a trickster I see. Sure I asked in a previous post whether you were in the army. Your quote however was related to your assertion that the brutal murder of Gaddafi, then a prisoner of war was not against International Law - and you claimed to know this on the basis of being a soldier.

Well, guess what, it is! Makes me wonder what I do not know about the British Army which the British Public would be very interested to know.

You finding it so unusual to have your opinion questioned is also interesting. Hint you are not in the army here ;)
 
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You must not give a rats ass about your loved ones enough to not want to give a little pay back to the scumbag or scumbags who would harm and or kill your loved ones.

Just because i don't want to sink a knife up someones ass and act like an animal doesn't mean that i don't care about my loved ones and wouldn't want a criminal to be held accountable for their actions. That's simply ridiculous. Either you get off on making trollish comments or you are just incredibly stupid. Which one is it?


So you are saying that you and your loved ones were victimized by a brutal dictator for decades?
No, so are you suggesting that my opinion is only valid if i had been a victim of a brutal dictator for decades? Have you? If you have not then why is your opinion more valid than mine?
 
I remember seeing somewhere (maybe here, maybe not) that an act of war by an unknown/unconventional enemy without a country and organized military etc was to be considered a terrorist...... that anyone or entity that commits any offense (not just violent as could be seen in cyber space etc) against the US can potentially be a terrorist act..
The US definition of terrorism has been widely criticized by other first-world countries because it opens the door for a bad prez (like Nixon or Dick Cheney) to create a totalitarian state
One side claims he took the country from the dark ages to an educated one where most were owning their own homes and had ample health care etc (not bad goals for any country) and others are making it appear as if this man was 100 times worse than the media made Hussein appear. So which is it?
It could be both. That MG improved education, quality of life and infrastructure in Libya is true. That GM also committed atrocities is true. The two are not mutually exclusive.
And who really funding his demise and why?
My guess is GM was taken down because the bigger powers could no longer control him. He had been doing the things cited as reason to help the people overthrow his government for decades so I'm not buying this as the true reason.
Just because i don't want to sink a knife up someones ass and act like an animal doesn't mean that i don't care about my loved ones and wouldn't want a criminal to be held accountable for their actions. That's simply ridiculous.
clap2.gif The rebels who abused MG were angry young men bent on revenge. Had they been older/seasoned men, I believe MG's end would have been more humane and more in accordance with international law.

An example from real life. In 2004 we were hit head-on by a young man who passed out due to illegal drug use and my injuries forever altered my life. Had this happened when I was younger, I would have likely wanted this youngster to rot in jail for decades or his head on a platter. By 2004, I had realized that destroying his young life would not help my situation in any meaningful way and would not help society either. So I insisted he be given a chance to turn his life around in a drug court program (Guilty plea for felony, immediate parole for sentence with understanding that he would serve 100% the prison time if he did not turn his life around). He recovered from his addiction, is now a productive citizen and is not a threat to no one instead of an ex-con who cost society about $250,000 to imprison.
 
Just getting to know you. Bit of a trickster I see. Sure I asked in a previous post whether you were in the army. Your quote however was related to your assertion that the brutal murder of Gaddafi, then a prisoner of war was not against International Law - and you claimed to know this on the basis of being a soldier.

Well, guess what, it is! Makes me wonder what I do not know about the British Army which the British Public would be very interested to know.

You finding it so unusual to have your opinion questioned is also interesting. Hint you are not in the army here ;)

if a NATO force had captured him then yes obviously it would of been against international law but I dont think that a group of rebels can be included in this. Article 12 of the convention states that prisoners of war are the responsibility of the state and as the rebels were not fighting for an established state how can it be against the law?
I have watched the video a couple of times and admit it is very brutal and maybe the rebels could of handled it better but its much better than the thought of Gadaffi standing trial. He would of underminded any attempt at democracy and at worst could of rallied his loyalists.
 
if a NATO force had captured him then yes obviously it would of been against international law but I dont think that a group of rebels can be included in this. Article 12 of the convention states that prisoners of war are the responsibility of the state and as the rebels were not fighting for an established state how can it be against the law?
I have watched the video a couple of times and admit it is very brutal and maybe the rebels could of handled it better but its much better than the thought of Gadaffi standing trial. He would of underminded any attempt at democracy and at worst could of rallied his loyalists.

I didn't watch any of it, Higgens86. I even ignore all the bloody photos of him. Obviously there are some semantics here but they had been trained, were acting as an army with outside support and on ground soldiers from Qatar and Gadaffi was a prisoner of war. However it appears the NTC are going to put the guy who shot him on trial. Nothing about the disgusting torture. I'd ask if he was dead when they did this, but I don't want the answer. :( They claim they were always going to bring the guy who killed G to justice and that they are sure he is an individual, not a member of any force at all...so looks like one person will be the fall guy.

The change in position comes after a week of sustained criticism of the Libyan leader's captors, who used their camera phones to chronicle his death. The footage, including images of a wounded Gaddafi being sodomised with what looked like a bayonet, caused widespread revulsion outside the country.

Abdel Hafiz Ghoga, deputy chief of the National Transitional Council, said it would try to bring to justice anyone proven to have fired the shot to the head that killed Gaddafi.

"With regards to Gaddafi, we do not wait for anybody to tell us," he told the al-Arabiya satellite channel. "We had already launched an investigation. We have issued a code of ethics in handling of prisoners of war. I am sure that was an individual act and not an act of revolutionaries or the national army. Whoever is responsible for that [Gaddafi's killing] will be judged and given a fair trial."

Gaddafi killer faces prosecution, says Libyan interim government | World news | The Guardian

Those responsible in Misrata don't believe anyone will bother them at all
 
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This issue gets me upset. Yes, Gaddafi was a mass-murderer, but what happened to him was wrong and should not be celebrated. The same is true if, say, an embezzler was shot and killed after his trial and people celebrated/took glee in the fact. Make no mistake: I do not support Gaddafi and his vitreol. But, I do not support such human carnality, either.
 
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