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Gaddafi sodomized: Video shows abuse frame by frame (GRAPHIC)

X Factor said:
I've heard of people having a lottery of of sorts to determine who gets to kill someone who's been part of a brutal and violent regime.



He should have died in prison, at the very least.
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costing Scotland money though! Bullet in the head would have been better
 
Higgins86 said:
costing Scotland money though! Bullet in the head would have been better
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I have no trouble with that. He just never should have been freed. How long was he actually in prison? 8 years? That's ridiculous.
 
Higgins86 said:
lol no the seals got hold of him, not the mob!
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Temporal said:
I'm not saying Gaddafi didn't do awful things; rather, that sinking to his level is no better. The eye for an eye mentality is why wars continue all over the world.



I don't mean support for Gaddafi, I mean support for an act of sodomy as being okay just because we dislike the guy.

Would you support raping him as well?
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gotcha.

I'm apathetic toward his last moments - overall I support their decision to deal with it as they saw fit at the moment (meaning - capturing and killing) I think if they didn't maim him in the process it would have delivered the same message and achieved the same end-goal so it was in excess and emotion-driven.
 
I'm with Temporal on this one. Why be happy with people who sink to his level?

You are no better than those who applaud others who raped and murdered a murderer.

I do not mean to be harsh, but I find this disgusting to take delight in primitive carnality.
 
Wake said:
I'm with Temporal on this one. Why be happy with people who sink to his level?

You are no better than those who applaud others who raped and murdered a murderer.

I do not mean to be harsh, but I find this disgusting to take delight in primitive carnality.
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problem is that its a big bad world out there and sometimes you have to sink to levels not socially acceptable in order to get the job done or send a messgae. End of the day its easy for you to sit back and judge these people but you never had to live under the ruthless rule of a dictator and you don't know what these guys went through to get this coward.
 
Higgins86 said:
problem is that its a big bad world out there and sometimes you have to sink to levels not socially acceptable in order to get the job done or send a messgae. End of the day its easy for you to sit back and judge these people but you never had to live under the ruthless rule of a dictator and you don't know what these guys went through to get this coward.
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Was it justified?

Was it justified to use sodomy on him?
 
Wake said:
I'm with Temporal on this one. Why be happy with people who sink to his level?

You are no better than those who applaud others who raped and murdered a murderer.

I do not mean to be harsh, but I find this disgusting to take delight in primitive carnality.
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Feeling that someone ate their just deserts isn't the same as celebrating it.

If I wanted a rapist to be locked up does that mean I celebrate his arrest or incarceration?

You're imposing happiness or other such positive emotion where there is none.
 
Wake said:
Was it justified?

Was it justified to use sodomy on him?
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yeh it was! Sometimes in the heat of the moment you do things you would not normally do, anyone who has been in combat can tell you that (myself included). Like I said these guys probably went through hell to find this coward and this was the same coward who had been sodomizing a whole nation for years.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Feeling that someone ate their just deserts isn't the same as celebrating it.

If I wanted a rapist to be locked up does that mean I celebrate his arrest or incarceration?

You're imposing happiness or other such positive emotion where there is none.
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So do you disagree with how Gaddafi was treated before he was murdered?

Higgins86 said:
yeh it was! Sometimes in the heat of the moment you do things you would not normally do, anyone who has been in combat can tell you that (myself included). Like I said these guys probably went through hell to find this coward and this was the same coward who had been sodomizing a whole nation for years.
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Was it justified?

What if he was sodomized, then tortured, then his fingers pulled apart, sodomized again, and then murdered?

Is it still justified?

Don't let your sense of patriotism blind you from wicked vengeance.
 
Wake said:
So do you disagree with how Gaddafi was treated before he was murdered?



Was it justified?

What if he was sodomized, then tortured, then his fingers pulled apart, sodomized again, and then murdered?

Is it still justified?

Don't let your sense of patriotism blind you from wicked vengeance.
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on the contary I think its you who has to open your eyes. Your judging these men based on your own convinctions and on the western worlds justice system. This is a different part of the world and they deal with stuff differently from what we would. Saying that though my own country the UK and also the US have done stuff in the last 100 years that would be seen as barbaric by many but it got the Job done, look at the RAF bombing of dresden.
 
Higgins86 said:
problem is that its a big bad world out there and sometimes you have to sink to levels not socially acceptable in order to get the job done or send a messgae.
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that message will be useful a lot toward all other countries which had uprising during 2011. I guess there will be the same effect like Nicolae Ceaușescu death gave to EU.
 
Higgins86 said:
on the contary I think its you who has to open your eyes. Your judging these men based on your own convinctions and on the western worlds justice system. This is a different part of the world and they deal with stuff differently from what we would. Saying that though my own country the UK and also the US have done stuff in the last 100 years that would be seen as barbaric by many but it got the Job done, look at the RAF bombing of dresden.
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That does not make it right. Is it ever justified to use sodomy?

Being barbaric is not justified. Where is the justice?
 
Wake said:
That does not make it right. Is it ever justified to use sodomy?

Being barbaric is not justified. Where is the justice?
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the justice is that the man who killed thousands and ruled with fear came to his end on his knees at the hands of the people he terrorised and died in agony.

This video scared the public because they are not supposed to see this kind of thing, as far as they are concerned soldiers go and fight for them and are always true and just and everyone plays by the rules. Thats why when pictures of soldiers humilating and torturing POW'S or videos like this come out it scares people because they are used to seeing war though the eyes of the main stream media. War is brutal and gaddafi came to a brutal end.
 
Higgins86 said:
the justice is that the man who killed thousands and ruled with fear came to his end on his knees at the hands of the people he terrorised and died in agony.

This video scared the public because they are not supposed to see this kind of thing, as far as they are concerned soldiers go and fight for them and are always true and just and everyone plays by the rules. Thats why when pictures of soldiers humilating and torturing POW'S or videos like this come out it scares people because they are used to seeing war though the eyes of the main stream media. War is brutal and gaddafi came to a brutal end.
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You did not answer my questions.

Is sodomy justified?

Where is the justice?
 
Higgins86 said:
on the contary I think its you who has to open your eyes. Your judging these men based on your own convinctions and on the western worlds justice system. This is a different part of the world and they deal with stuff differently from what we would. Saying that though my own country the UK and also the US have done stuff in the last 100 years that would be seen as barbaric by many but it got the Job done, look at the RAF bombing of dresden.
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You are aware that when the British public heard of the bombing of Dresden they were quite rightly outraged, Churchill distanced himself from the bombings and the pilots did not receive honours though I have a suspicion they recently have. For doing a dangerous job the people involved did did deserve the same recognition as others, but to ever believe that such actions are acceptable removes any concept of us as a people with humanity and allows for the barbarity which is today.

What was done to Gaddafi, his son, the 53 other prisoners of war and countless others was disgusting and against International Law...but yes, we have seen too many of these actions in recent years and it seems acceptance is too easy. These are people we expect to act in a democratic way? But what I find more alarming is the glee and support such actions seem to arouse from people in the West. I fear the last years have removed from us, like Gaddafi asked his killers as he died the ability to know the difference between right and wrong. Also from what I heard the Western Governments are probably extremely pleased he did not stand trial as they would have been embarrassed by what was disclosed.

Anyway none of this is personal to you. I read some of this thread a time ago and just came back and found your post. I usually find myself in agreement with you but possibly not this time.
 
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Wake said:
You did not answer my questions.

Is sodomy justified?

Where is the justice?
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I already told you where the justice was and ask for sodomy yes I think it was justified based on what the man did and what those rebels had to do to get the coward.
Let me ask you this, do you also diagree with the way the Italian people dealt with mussolini and his family?
 
Higgins86 said:
I already told you where the justice was and ask for sodomy yes I think it was justified based on what the man did and what those rebels had to do to get the coward.
Let me ask you this, do you also diagree with the way the Italian people dealt with mussolini and his family?
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I don't think it is good to become mere garbage to deal with mere garbage.

Court of law/military law should be used.
 
alexa said:
You are aware that when the British public heard of the bombing of Dresden they were quite rightly outraged, Churchill distanced himself from the bombings and the pilots did not receive honours though I have a suspicion they recently have. For doing a dangerous job the people involved did did deserve the same recognition as others, but to ever believe that such actions actions are acceptable removes any concept us as a people with humanity and allows for the barbarity which is today.

What was done to Gaddafi, his son, the 53 other prisoners of war and countless others was disgusting and against International Law...but yes, we have seen too many of these actions in recent years and it seems acceptance is too easy. These are people we expect to act in a democratic way? But what I find more alarming is the glee and support such actions seem to arouse from people in the West. I fear the last years have removed from us, like Gaddafi asked his killers as he died the ability to know the difference between right and wrong. Also from what I heard the Western Governments are probably extremely pleased he did not stand trial as they would have been embarrassed by what was disclosed.

Anyway none of this is personal to you. I read some of this thread a time ago and just came back and found your post. I usually find myself in agreement with you but possibly not this time.
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I was aware of the British reaction to Dresden, that was kind of my point. The public often disgagree with severe action but you have to do what you have to do to get the job done. Dresden sent a message to the rest of the German army that if you keep fighting we will make sure you have no home to go back to.
As for not agreeing with my post that is fine, after all we cant all agree on everything! :)
 
Wake said:
I don't think it is good to become mere garbage to deal with mere garbage.

Court of law/military law should be used.
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like it was with Saddam? People still complained with the brutality of his death!
 
Higgins86 said:
like it was with Saddam? People still complained with the brutality of his death!
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Iirc he was dealt with by the justice system. It is true their justice system is different, but it is better than sodomy and murder. You do NOT become criminals when dealing with criminals.
 
Wake said:
Iirc he was dealt with by the justice system. It is true their justice system is different, but it is better than sodomy and murder. You do NOT become criminals when dealing with criminals.
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on this issue I think we will have to agree to disagree.
 
I finally looked at the pics. Is there any verification that the rump shown is Gaddafi's? Seriously, that does not look like a 60 yo rump.
 
Wake said:
Good. I don't endorse murderous sodomists.
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no you prefer a long drawn out trial in which Gadaffi can make inton his own personal circus and draw more to his cause...but whatever.
 
Wake said:
I don't think it is good to become mere garbage to deal with mere garbage.

Court of law/military law should be used.
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It does not exist during a war. Sad but true.

except Japans who let you kill yourself as a ritual of honor, none in the other part of world use trials during the wars. War rules haven't been changed since BC eras.

This is the behavior of our race as human. have been passed more then 2 thousand of years and sodomy is never removed as a war rule. Battles of roman ages are same in manner with battles we see today. Only tools have been changed.

I disagree with it too but this is human behavior. We are like household wild animals.
 
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