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Thomas Sowell: Herman Cain More Black Than Barack Obama

Jetboogieman said:
I'm really sick of this idea that there's a "More black" or "Less Black" or "Real Black" person.
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To some extent, I agree. But inasmuch as Mr. Cain's “blackness” is being made an issue, I think it is very relevant to point out that he has much more in common with black Americans than Mr. Obama does. He came up from the same culture, the same heritage, and faced the same challenges. Indeed, he's an excellent model for black Americans, an example of how any of them can succeed.

Ultimately, though a candidate's race ought not be a significant factor in choosing who will be President, or indeed, who will be hired for any job. I think Mr. Obama has given us a very vivid example of where that can go. Instead of picking a qualified white candidate, we picked an unqualified and incompetent black candidate for President, in order to prove that we're not racists.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
To some extent, I agree. But inasmuch as Mr. Cain's “blackness” is being made an issue, I think it is very relevant to point out that he has much more in common with black Americans than Mr. Obama does. He came up from the same culture, the same heritage, and faced the same challenges. Indeed, he's an excellent model for black Americans, an example of how any of them can succeed.
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It's the new race card: Our guy is blacker. I've not seen his race made an issue in mainstream thought. Then again, I generally avoid all media except NPR, which has never mentioned it while I was listening. Sometimes I watch a little O'Reilly to get another viewpoint. Never have I heard his race made an issue except by Conservatives on this forum who want to prove that their guy is blacker, or have some kind of weird guilt over not voting for Obama.

Ultimately, though a candidate's race ought not be a significant factor in choosing who will be President, or indeed, who will be hired for any job. I think Mr. Obama has given us a very vivid example of where that can go. Instead of picking a qualified white candidate, we picked an unqualified and incompetent black candidate for President, in order to prove that we're not racists.
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So are you saying that people only voted for Obama because they wanted to prove they're not racist? Gee, I voted for him because McCain was promising 4 more years of Bush-style failure. The way I see it, we wouldn't be any better or worse off with McCain, but that's hindsight. I didn't vote for Obama because he's black. What an incredibly ignorant thing to say. Again, the only people I've ever heard say Obama was elected to "prove you're not racist" are Conservatives on this board who have some weird guilt thing going on.

If I don't vote for Cain, it'll be because I don't like his 999 plan. I don't care what race he is or isn't.
 
apdst said:
The Libbos always want a political race to have a racial component. Ya'll asked for it. Ya'll got it. Toyota.
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You bring up race far more then any other person on this forum, you have no room to speak.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
To some extent, I agree. But inasmuch as Mr. Cain's “blackness” is being made an issue, I think it is very relevant to point out that he has much more in common with black Americans than Mr. Obama does. He came up from the same culture, the same heritage, and faced the same challenges. Indeed, he's an excellent model for black Americans, an example of how any of them can succeed.
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By this statement your implying that even if Obamas domestic successes haven't exactly been resounding, that he's not an example of success.

He's a millionaire, and he went from State Senator to President in Record time.

He achieved the highest office in the land, and whether you want to argue that he did it by "duping people" or whatever rhetoric makes you feel better about it, he still did it.

I give props to anyone who achieves that office, even if I Don't like them.
 
I don't care for the racial qualification debate, but then again, I can sympathize with minorities that are seen as pariahs for having conservative beliefs. There is usually one hell of a dogma that gives incentives for bashing conservative viewpoints.
 
He made money selling a book someone else wrote.

If you want to destroy American traditions, they he'll be popular with you, of course.
 
He had ghostwriters for both.

Do you know what Obama's grades were?
 
Tom Sowell is soooo Eighties. With remarks like this, that may now be his new IQ range.
 
Reg said:
He had ghostwriters for both.
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Pretty standard for political books. I'm sure the ghostwriter was well compensated.

Do you seriously think Bush wrote this whole thing by himself, do you?

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rocket88 said:
Pretty standard for political books. I'm sure the ghostwriter was well compensated.

Do you seriously think Bush wrote this whole thing by himself, do you?

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I don't know. I was responding to he statment that writing two books widely thought to have been written by others makes Obama accomplished.
 
Reg said:
He's not on the plantation, eh?
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He does apparently make idiotic statements about who's "blacker" on major cable TV channels. So there's that.

Seriously, George W. Bush went to private schools. Is he "whiter" than me because of that? It's completely moronic.
 
haymarket said:
Tom Sowell is soooo Eighties. With remarks like this, that may now be his new IQ range.
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I'll take Valley Girl attention spans for 500, Alex. :p

Actually, Sowell is one of the most fair-minded, even-handed, thoughtful columnist writing today.
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Yeah, somewhat. I loved his points about the intellectual class, a sort of inside commentary. However, on occasion he will say some things that are just nuts. On one episode of Ideas in Action he gave an explicit statement that Obama was more or less the same as our less esteemed autocrats. I forget the exact context, as it has been about a year, but as it was very explicit. I was just shocked he would do that.
 
radcen said:
Part of the reason I detest the term "African-American". Not all blacks are African, not all Africans are black. (Yeah, simplistic, I know)
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Once my wife was teaching an art history class and covering art from South Africa. First she said it was important to distinguish between art by black artists and that by white artists. When she started talking and said the artist of a piece was black, one of the students "corrected" her for not saying "African-American." She had to tell them that he wasn't "African-American," because he wasn't American.
 
rocket88 said:
Once my wife was teaching an art history class and covering art from South Africa. First she said it was important to distinguish between art by black artists and that by white artists. When she started talking and said the artist of a piece was black, one of the students "corrected" her for not saying "African-American." She had to tell them that he wasn't "African-American," because he wasn't American.
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People who think Barack Obama propelled us closer to a post-racial world have their head in the sand.
 
radcen said:
Actually, Sowell is one of the most fair-minded, even-handed, thoughtful columnist writing today.
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Completely false. I've been reading his column for years. They're available online for any who cares to peruse them. Sowell is apparently a well-regarded economist, but his column is mostly hopeless partisanship.

Here's a link to his columns.

Here are a few particularly poor installments of my choosing:

On the ground zero mosque

On moderation and why Obama is like Hitler

On how Obama and his 'useful idiots' are dismantling democracy

On Obama's destruction of American values

On the doomed operation in Libya

Thoughtful? Sure.

Fair-minded and even-handed? When?
 
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He's a principled man. And he's right most of the time.

If you said the same thing about the Shah of Iran in 1979, you would have been right.

Too often in the past, going all the way back to the days of Woodrow Wilson, we have operated on the assumption that a bad government becomes better after the magic of "change." President Wilson said that we were fighting the First World War to make the way "safe for democracy." But what actually followed was the replacement of autocratic monarchies by totalitarian dictatorships that made previous despots pale by comparison.
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GhostlyJoe said:
Completely false. I've been reading his column for years. They're available online for any who cares to peruse them. Sowell is apparently a well-regarded economist, but his column is mostly hopeless partisanship.

Here's a link to his columns.

Here are a few particularly poor installments of my choosing:

On the ground zero mosque

On moderation and why Obama is like Hitler

On how Obama and his 'useful idiots' are dismantling democracy

On Obama's destruction of American values

On the doomed operation in Libya

Thoughtful? Sure.

Fair-minded and even-handed? When?
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Are you sure that you're only slightly liberal?
 
Reg said:
He's a principled man. And he's right most of the time.

If you said the same thing about the Shah of Iran in 1979, you would have been right.
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I'm not surprised you like him. Which should give our more thoughtful posters a good indication of where Sowell's coming from.
 
radcen said:
Are you sure that you're only slightly liberal?
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Well that would depend on to whom I'm being compared. Compared to Thomas Sowell, I'm quite liberal.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how close is Obama to Hitler?
 
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