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Steve Jobs just died

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They just interrupted "Jeopardy" to bring the news (ABC Cincinnati)
 
Oh wow...what a shame a brilliant guy...:(
 
On facebook:
"He made the world a better place, we'll miss him."

He sold you grossly overpriced hardware made by borderline slaves in China. Good marketing and product design skills does not qualify one for sainthood.
 
I do not like to speak ill of the dead but he was not some damn Guru or something. He was a moneymaker. Did he change the world we live in with the products he created? Sure. But other than that? What did he really do? Give me somethings meaningful this man (keyword here is MAN) did for the world. I am not talking about tech stuff. I am talking what he did to make this world a better place. Sure I know that his products can be used to help folks but on a personal level what did he do? I know he had said in the past that he did not have time to help with charity as he just needed to work to do stuff and yes folks in hospitals and blah, blah, blah use his stuff. But did this man on a personal level ever do anything out of his heart that did not involvle his products? I am just curious.
 
I do not like to speak ill of the dead but he was not some damn Guru or something. He was a moneymaker. Did he change the world we live in with the products he created? Sure. But other than that? What did he really do? Give me somethings meaningful this man (keyword here is MAN) did for the world. I am not talking about tech stuff. I am talking what he did to make this world a better place. Sure I know that his products can be used to help folks but on a personal level what did he do? I know he had said in the past that he did not have time to help with charity as he just needed to work to do stuff and yes folks in hospitals and blah, blah, blah use his stuff. But did this man on a personal level ever do anything out of his heart that did not involvle his products? I am just curious.

I do not want to defame the man in death...but there are articles out there surfacing since his death that he was not a sweetheart off camera behind the scenes and a not so well liked guy by apple employees....thats personal however and does not diminish his many accomplishments
Heres one of the articles ive seen about him behind the scenes...

http://gawker.com/5847344/what-everyone-is-too-polite-to-say-about-steve-jobs
 
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On facebook:
"He made the world a better place, we'll miss him."

He sold you grossly overpriced hardware made by borderline slaves in China. Good marketing and product design skills does not qualify one for sainthood.

Stop engaging in class Warfare.
 
I do not like to speak ill of the dead but he was not some damn Guru or something. He was a moneymaker. Did he change the world we live in with the products he created? Sure. But other than that? What did he really do? Give me somethings meaningful this man (keyword here is MAN) did for the world. I am not talking about tech stuff. I am talking what he did to make this world a better place. Sure I know that his products can be used to help folks but on a personal level what did he do? I know he had said in the past that he did not have time to help with charity as he just needed to work to do stuff and yes folks in hospitals and blah, blah, blah use his stuff. But did this man on a personal level ever do anything out of his heart that did not involvle his products? I am just curious.

Not everyone who contributes to the world, does so in the manner of someone such as Mother Theresa.

I don't know that you or I are qualified to judge what, if anything that Jobs did, came “out of his heart”.

But I do not think that anyone can rationally deny that—whatever his motives may have been, whatever rewards he may have sought or received in return notwithstanding—he was a man who contributed greatly to the world, and who did a great deal to make the world a better place.

You seek to minimize his contribution by questioning whether it came “out of his heart”, and only involved technological products.

I doubt if there is or has been any other man who has had such a profound effect on the way that we use modern computer-based technology to improve our lives. Even if you don't own or use any products made by Apple, you surely do own or use many products that involve technology that was pioneered by Apple, and you own and use many products whose development was driven by a need to compete with Apple.
 
Not everyone who contributes to the world, does so in the manner of someone such as Mother Theresa.

I don't know that you or I are qualified to judge what, if anything that Jobs did, came “out of his heart”.

But I do not think that anyone can rationally deny that—whatever his motives may have been, whatever rewards he may have sought or received in return notwithstanding—he was a man who contributed greatly to the world, and who did a great deal to make the world a better place.

You seek to minimize his contribution by questioning whether it came “out of his heart”, and only involved technological products.

I doubt if there is or has been any other man who has had such a profound effect on the way that we use modern computer-based technology to improve our lives. Even if you don't own or use any products made by Apple, you surely do own or use many products that involve technology that was pioneered by Apple, and you own and use many products whose development was driven by a need to compete with Apple.

Ah Question, now given the fact that I am a iPhone and iPad owner... I really don't see how getting to watch porn on my iPhone made the world a better place :lol:

Made my pants a better place though.
 
Ah Question, now given the fact that I am a iPhone and iPad owner... I really don't see how getting to watch porn on my iPhone made the world a better place :lol:

Made my pants a better place though.

Then your truly don't understand this world.
 
How did Jobs help the world?

Well he entertained us with his company Pixar.

His company designed the computer that became the first server for the world wide web (what you dolts are using to post right now) that was only made possible for Swedish scientist thanks to the Mathmatica and other compiling tools available on NeXT Systems.

Under his direction, Apple created the modern PC and mouse back in the 80s

Created Breakout with Steve Wozinak (lol)

Changed the music industry

Changed the retail industry

Changed the computer industry (twice)

Created what has become the phone and tablet market, and ultimately what will become the PC market in the future

Popularized the notion of CD-Rs and USB with the introduction of iMac

Before he left in the 80s, formed a group that made Newton (first PDA) which later spun off of Apple and became Palm

I could go on....
 
On facebook:
"He made the world a better place, we'll miss him."

He sold you grossly overpriced hardware made by borderline slaves in China. Good marketing and product design skills does not qualify one for sainthood.
Well no one said anything about sainthood, just that he made the world a better place. And he didn't just sell overpriced hardware. He sparked a revolution whereby the average citizen could have a computer. Also, without his vision you wouldn't be posting on internet forums because these, like every computer program you are probably familiar with uses the user interface that he was the first to successfully implement. But yeah, other than that and no doubt numerous other things, what you said.
 
Forcing children to work in unsanitary conditions for minimal pay so Jobs could become more wealthy isn't the sign of a very decent person, if you ask me.

Whenever I found out about the child labor in China I vowed not to buy another apple product. And that was years before Jobs died. I am sorry now that I even bought the ipod touch 2G. I didn't know about it back then.

The man was brilliant and way ahead of his time, but he was also an asshole.
 
Well no one said anything about sainthood, just that he made the world a better place. And he didn't just sell overpriced hardware. He sparked a revolution whereby the average citizen could have a computer. Also, without his vision you wouldn't be posting on internet forums because these, like every computer program you are probably familiar with uses the user interface that he was the first to successfully implement. But yeah, other than that and no doubt numerous other things, what you said.
I think that's overstating his accomplishments. He popularized computers, but didn't do much beyond that. What about Dennis Ritchie, he died and no one even knows who he was. Dennis invented C, the very foundation of many computer languages, and helped invent UNIX. Steve Jobs accomplished a lot, but I don't know if its as big as everyone is making it out to be. And with the cheap manufacture in China, although I have respect for Steve Jobs and what he accomplished, I don't see how everyone is idolizing him like they are.
 
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How did Jobs help the world?

Well he entertained us with his company Pixar.

Hardly "his company".. There were 2 others, plus a buttload of rich investors.. you know Spielberg..

His company designed the computer that became the first server for the world wide web (what you dolts are using to post right now) that was only made possible for Swedish scientist thanks to the Mathmatica and other compiling tools available on NeXT Systems.

LOL now you seriously stretching it. Yes the first web server ran on NeXT computer, but it was quickly ported to other UNIX systems... and has never looked back. Guess they found the NeXT system not good enough...Even today there is limited web server functionality in the NeXT OS of today... OSX.

Under his direction, Apple created the modern PC and mouse back in the 80s

Well... mouse I can give, but "modern PC".. sorry but that is also a stretch. Remember Apple never had any great influence on the PC market and its marketshare is at record levels today.. still way under 10% world wide.

Changed the music industry

Not enough but yea he did. But since then his company has become another problem in the copywrite battles. iTunes software sucks donkey balls, the music is relatively expensive and bound to Apple products. Sadly alternatives to iTunes have not popped up as much as people had hoped, since the music companies refuse to give permission to sell their wares from alternatives to iTunes... leaving the market dominated by Apple with a very few stragglers behind them.

Changed the retail industry

Eh how? By opening expensive retail stores to sell expensive products? Gucci and other luxury product makers have been doing that for decades.

Changed the computer industry (twice)

How so? Yes his original Mac "Changed" the industry by moving over to a graphical OS from a text based OS, but the Mac was hardly a success. What else did he change in the computer industry? The Apple 2?

Created what has become the phone and tablet market, and ultimately what will become the PC market in the future

He created the phone market? You mean the smartphone market I suppose and there you again are wrong. Blackberry is a smartphone and was popular before the iPhone. Nokia had smart phones as well. The market was created.. what he did was use his fanboy network to expand said market for the professional arena to the private consumer arena. As for the tablet market.. yes he made it popular but hardly created it. Tablets have been around for a long time. As for the "PC" market of the future.. tablets are not a PC and will not replace the PC. The lack of a keyboard is a serious limitation along with the price.

Popularized the notion of CD-Rs and USB with the introduction of iMac

LOL seriously? How can a product that no one bought popularize anything? iMac came out just after the USB standard hit the market.. in fact Steve Jobs was far more in favour of Firewire... another Apple flop, than USB.. and still is.. since he backed Thunderbolt over USB 3.0.. and has so far utterly failed yet again.

As for CD-R... again bull****.

Before he left in the 80s, formed a group that made Newton (first PDA) which later spun off of Apple and became Palm

Newton flopped and almost cost him the company. And no on the spun off from Apple and become Palm part. Yes it was spun off into the Newton INC, a whole owned subsidiary of Apple. Then Jobs was fired and the Newton INC company was pulled back into Apple and the whole thing cancelled.

There is no doubt that Steve Jobs had a serious impact on the PC industry and phone industry, but lets not overdue it.
 
Holy crap. The guy was a visonary, whose brilliance literally changed the world we live in... and people are looking for reasons to crap on him after he died, because his company... like just about every other manufacturing company in this country... has his tech assembled in China.

Some of you have serious issues if you have to dredge up reasons to insult and talk **** about the accomplishments of someone who has just died. Damn. Just... damn. :2mad:
 
Forcing children to work in unsanitary conditions for minimal pay so Jobs could become more wealthy isn't the sign of a very decent person, if you ask me.

Whenever I found out about the child labor in China I vowed not to buy another apple product. And that was years before Jobs died. I am sorry now that I even bought the ipod touch 2G. I didn't know about it back then.

The man was brilliant and way ahead of his time, but he was also an asshole.

I hope you turn off your computer. Odds are, the companies that manufacture the parts inside of that thing, were connected to the same factories.

You support exploitation of poorer countries. Now, visit your priest to confess your sins.
 
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Not enough but yea he did. But since then his company has become another problem in the copywrite battles. iTunes software sucks donkey balls, the music is relatively expensive and bound to Apple products. Sadly alternatives to iTunes have not popped up as much as people had hoped, since the music companies refuse to give permission to sell their wares from alternatives to iTunes... leaving the market dominated by Apple with a very few stragglers behind them.

It was bound to their products for years, thanks to Fairplay DRM-much like Janus DRM schemes of the windows media audio files supplied by most stores at the time. The issue was that more companies were allowed to purchase rights from Microsoft. But because of the tech world we live in, having a completely cooperative Apple and Microsoft is like asking young kids who happen to be brothers to play nicely.

The music companies gained much from allowing Apple to create its store. However, it is also a liability to them. You are overlooking that in order to create the idea that the music industries refuse to use other companies, when in fact, they were quite known for using Amazon and others to try to counterbalance Apple's claim to being the biggest and best source for online audio.

The rest of the post was decent. You could have said you should pull back credit to Apple regarding the mouse, since it was popularized by Apple, yet not created by them. I'm surprised you didn't.
 
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Holy crap. The guy was a visonary, whose brilliance literally changed the world we live in... and people are looking for reasons to crap on him after he died, because his company... like just about every other manufacturing company in this country... has his tech assembled in China.

Some of you have serious issues if you have to dredge up reasons to insult and talk **** about the accomplishments of someone who has just died. Damn. Just... damn. :2mad:
Let's see, Denmark invented the ....er uh Internet? No, how about the World Wide Web, uh NOT!! Well how about the PC? Nope......
 
Forcing children to work in unsanitary conditions for minimal pay so Jobs could become more wealthy isn't the sign of a very decent person, if you ask me.

Whenever I found out about the child labor in China I vowed not to buy another apple product. And that was years before Jobs died. I am sorry now that I even bought the ipod touch 2G. I didn't know about it back then.

The man was brilliant and way ahead of his time, but he was also an asshole.

So let me see if I get this straight; you buy all your clothes from American Apparel and all your home furnishings from the Amish? All your electronics came from where???? That is actually a really stupid reason to not like a product because honestly, you buy more stuff made from Chinese kids than you think. Ever shop at Wal-Mart? Are you typing on a computer or just writing stuff with pencil and paper and mailing it to some guy to type it for you?
 
Hardly "his company".. There were 2 others, plus a buttload of rich investors.. you know Spielberg..

Pixar started out as a side project at Lucasfilms. When bought by Steve Jobs he wanted them to make computers to help with animation, later he helped bring Pixar films and brokerage deals to get them out there and not go Disney's route of making crappy straight to video. Thanks to his company Pixar, Disney and animation as a whole went through a reniassance in the past 15 years.

LOL now you seriously stretching it. Yes the first web server ran on NeXT computer, but it was quickly ported to other UNIX systems... and has never looked back. Guess they found the NeXT system not good enough...Even today there is limited web server functionality in the NeXT OS of today... OSX.

Quoting the inventor of the WWW Tim Berners-Lee:

"I wrote the program using a NeXT computer. This had the advantage that there were some great tools available -it was a great computing environment in general. In fact, I could do in a couple of months what would take more like a year on other platforms, because on the NeXT, a lot of it was done for me already. There was an application builder to make all the menus as quickly as you could dream them up. there were all the software parts to make a wysiwyg (what you see is what you get - in other words direct manipulation of text on screen as on the printed - or browsed page) word processor. I just had to add hypertext, (by subclassing the Text object)"

Well... mouse I can give, but "modern PC".. sorry but that is also a stretch. Remember Apple never had any great influence on the PC market and its marketshare is at record levels today.. still way under 10% world wide.

At the time, no other computer (other than those in research labs and horribly pieced together) featured a GUI. At the time of Apple Lisa and later Mac was created very few developers had access to develop programs. One of those developers was Microsoft which was developing there first graphical Excel program. While being one of the few developers with direct access to Mac, Microsoft quickly developed and began selling an early version of Windows in Japan--the same year as Mac came out and the rest is history...

Eh how? By opening expensive retail stores to sell expensive products? Gucci and other luxury product makers have been doing that for decades.

Apple retail stores are now what the blue print many other companies use for their stores, or redesigned stores--many use the same planners previously hired by Apple (Microsoft, Sony, Disney, Best Buy, Old Navy, Bed Bath & Beyond, Pottery Barn, Abercrombie & Fitch, Macy's)

How so? Yes his original Mac "Changed" the industry by moving over to a graphical OS from a text based OS, but the Mac was hardly a success. What else did he change in the computer industry? The Apple 2?

Recent years, with the all-in-one PC, and has formed what PC companies will and wont put into computers. Apple was the first to get rid of the 3.5 diskette, one of the first to adapt USB, put cameras in monitors, backlit keyboards, most recently with Intel have designed the Thunderbolt I/O and have made the modern ultra-thin notebook something Intel is pushing along with several PC vendors. Not to mention, Apple has formed the modern smartphone and tablet market which someday the majority of people will likely use one or the other over a PC anyways. You misunderstand what Im saying about tablets and phones. RIM is a shell of what it once was. They will never catch up. They are going the way of Palm in 5 years tops. Apple is the reason why. Apple is the reason why Android looks the way it does (originally planned to look similiar to Blackberry), tablets same thing. Bill Gates had a lot of things right; he has even predicted as recently as 2007 that tablets will be the future and guess what? Jobs and Gates ran/run companies that you directly or indirectly depend on so you will come around eventually, as the tech gets better and does neater things it will be more apparent how there are more advantages to them than disadvantages over a pC.

LOL seriously? How can a product that no one bought popularize anything? iMac came out just after the USB standard hit the market.. in fact Steve Jobs was far more in favour of Firewire... another Apple flop, than USB.. and still is.. since he backed Thunderbolt over USB 3.0.. and has so far utterly failed yet again.

As for CD-R... again bull****.

Wrong again. Apple is the first company to offer USB only for peripheral connections when it was first introduced. Besides the iMac being very popular, first computer anyone offered without a diskette drive, it is what drove Apple out of the brink and also brought on the trend of (love or hate it) companies using translucent colored plastics in their products. Thunderbolt came out this year how can you say it failed already?


Newton flopped and almost cost him the company. And no on the spun off from Apple and become Palm part. Yes it was spun off into the Newton INC, a whole owned subsidiary of Apple. Then Jobs was fired and the Newton INC company was pulled back into Apple and the whole thing cancelled.

Since I can tell you didn't actually know this and just googled something and didn't actually read it I will leave it at that. Also yes, once Jobs came back to Apple several from Apple left to form the Palm division at US Robotics including Palms eventual CEO.
 
So let me see if I get this straight; you buy all your clothes from American Apparel and all your home furnishings from the Amish? All your electronics came from where???? That is actually a really stupid reason to not like a product because honestly, you buy more stuff made from Chinese kids than you think. Ever shop at Wal-Mart? Are you typing on a computer or just writing stuff with pencil and paper and mailing it to some guy to type it for you?
Well then we should treat it like it is. He was an enterprising capitalist and we were the consumer. We shouldn't make it out to be more than it is. He chose to make products in China and should be treated like other business men and CEO's, I don't know why we are glorifying him and vilifying other CEO's who outsource.

Steve Jobs certainly impacted the world because he made products that millions used, but did he change the world or make it better?, I don't think there's much support for that argument. Did he contribute to charity, did he make the lives of the Chinese workers better? not really. He did make lots of popular innovative products and he should be respected for that, but I don't see how the glorifying of him is warranted.
 
Let's see, Denmark invented the ....er uh Internet? No, how about the World Wide Web, uh NOT!! Well how about the PC? Nope......

Here is a picture of the very first computer to ever act as a WWW server.

640px-First_Web_Server.jpg

It seems worth mentioning this, and making reference to which individual was most responsible for bringing this computer into the world.
 
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