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Veterans attempt citizens arrest of Rumsfeld in Boston

Ikari said:
I insist on criminalizing bad government which acts outside the boundaries of the Constitution and is unrestrained by the People.
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Then all of the U.S. government is criminal in your view, is that right?
 
Misterveritis said:
Really? Perhaps you will join me then in calling for the elimination of every department and agency that is not explicitly called for in the US Constitution?
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There's much and more I'd eliminate, including TSA and HLS. Along with things such as War Power Act. Extremely limited Fed, no subsidies to Wall Street, no tax incentives to large corporations, no tax breaks for people having kids, etc. All the crap that gets subsidized on the tax payer dime.
 
Ockham said:
You hold the government accountable with your vote.
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Not always, sometimes you do so with a gun. Not saying that's the place we're quite in just yet. But the right to replace broken government with one better able to serve the rights and liberties of the individual does belong to the People.
 
Ockham said:
Then all of the U.S. government is criminal in your view, is that right?
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Much of how the government currently operates would be beyond the power granted to it by the People. Not all, because there is necessity for government and power which is properly granted to the government.
 
Goshin said:
Anarchy isn't the answer.
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Anarchy is a tool through which change is achieved.

BTW, your attitude is one the founders worried about in bringing about the end of the Republic. When people are more concerned about the comforts than the never ending battle for liberty.
 
Ikari said:
Not always, sometimes you do so with a gun.
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The majority of revolutions fail, and even those which succeed find those that lead the revolution die young or quickly. Jefferson's immortal words about watering the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots is all very nice, but the entire nation would have to be behind it or at the very least a majority, including those currently in the government. What was shown in the video was symbolic, nothing else. I'm wondering what the agenda was... purely PR or something else?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Another video is here and the link here: New Study: Blondes make men more dumb*|*Raw Replayell i support this. But this small band of protestors will get nothing done.
Freedom of speech.
I applaud them

Thoughts?
Comments?
Response?
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I am glad that they got some attention out of it. Perhaps this will serve as a teary-eyed ending for the 10th anniversary edition of "W."
 
Ikari said:
Anarchy is a tool through which change is achieved.

BTW, your attitude is one the founders worried about in bringing about the end of the Republic. When people are more concerned about the comforts than the never ending battle for liberty.
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That's not what you said though, you said "criminalize bad government which acts outside the boundaries of the Constitution..." To my knowledge there is no part of the government which at some point has not or does not act outside of the constitution today. Hell, the system is built on running outside the constitution. However, either your saying all of the acts outside of the Constitution are bad, or not... you can't pick and choose which acts outside of the Constitution are still okay and still make a statement like that, otherwise, your view is no better than the people who believe their actions today which fall outside the constitution are okay because their acts "good" and not bad...
 
Ikari said:
There's much and more I'd eliminate, including TSA and HLS. Along with things such as War Power Act. Extremely limited Fed, no subsidies to Wall Street, no tax incentives to large corporations, no tax breaks for people having kids, etc. All the crap that gets subsidized on the tax payer dime.
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Let's start with the low hanging fruit. Would you eliminate the Education Department? It is, in my opinion, extra-constitutional. Shall we start with the Education Department?
 
Ockham said:
The majority of revolutions fail, and even those which succeed find those that lead the revolution die young or quickly. Jefferson's immortal words about watering the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots is all very nice, but the entire nation would have to be behind it or at the very least a majority, including those currently in the government. What was shown in the video was symbolic, nothing else. I'm wondering what the agenda was... purely PR or something else?
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It takes between 3-5% of the population actively involved and between 18-25% of the population passively supporting a revolution for it to meet the minimum requirement for success. Those are high bars.
 
Misterveritis said:
Let's start with the low hanging fruit. Would you eliminate the Education Department? It is, in my opinion, extra-constitutional. Shall we start with the Education Department?
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Absolutely, and it is the propaganda department. Saturated with conservative ideology and history. Back to the one room school, that benchmark of liberalism, and good teachers an thank you but no thank you to the gov't.
 
Ikari said:
The government as it stands, the oligarchy created and corporate capitalist model which closes down economic movement...yes; that form of the government might as well fold up now. Maybe we can avoid over a DECADE of war by doing so.

I remember when no State building was a conservative ideal. Man, did they ever sell out.
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Well with the right people in office that can happen.

What good would removing Rumsfeld from the streets do - or anyone else they've tried it on? Attacking Rumsfeld for his past actions will change nothing - it won't fix anything, it would improve anything, it won't alter anything.

The only way to change things is by making the decisions and choices for the future which will make a difference - not haggling over the past.

The past is done, written - can't change that.
 
Rumsfeld was a GENIUS, man...managing to trick all those democrat career politicians with access to intel throughout the Clinton presidency...what a bunch of stupid ****s. Oh...wait...they were saying the same thing before and after Rumsfeld. My bad. Well...dont worry...I'm sure all those moronic hippies have every one of them on their hit list. Power to the people...
 
DaveFagan said:
Absolutely, and it is the propaganda department. Saturated with conservative ideology and history. Back to the one room school, that benchmark of liberalism, and good teachers an thank you but no thank you to the gov't.
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Often it is easier to ignore your posts than to try to determine your message. This is just such time.
 
FACT: a citizen's arrest can only be done while witnessing a person actually committing a felony.
 
Thunder said:
FACT: a citizen's arrest can only be done while witnessing a person actually committing a felony.
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Well, Rumsfeld was probably breathing.
 
Misterveritis said:
It takes between 3-5% of the population actively involved and between 18-25% of the population passively supporting a revolution for it to meet the minimum requirement for success. Those are high bars.
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That would depend on what kind of revolution... a peaceful revolution or one which Ikari identified which intimated a violent one (ie. "guns").
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Well with the right people in office that can happen.

What good would removing Rumsfeld from the streets do - or anyone else they've tried it on? Attacking Rumsfeld for his past actions will change nothing - it won't fix anything, it would improve anything, it won't alter anything.

The only way to change things is by making the decisions and choices for the future which will make a difference - not haggling over the past.

The past is done, written - can't change that.
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I don't understand. Why then did they kill OBL? You know , "haggling over the past." Rumsfeld is most certainly complicit in Lies, torture, and rendition in our names. There's also Abu Grabass.
 
DaveFagan said:
I don't understand. Why then did they kill OBL? You know , "haggling over the past." Rumsfeld is most certainly complicit in Lies, torture, and rendition in our names. There's also Abu Grabass.
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H8trs gonna h8. You must really hate those democrats that were briefed in those 'torture' methods and not only signed off on them but wondered if there wasnt MORE they could be doing? Good thing Obama shut down GITMO and all those black ops prisons...right?
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Well with the right people in office that can happen.

What good would removing Rumsfeld from the streets do - or anyone else they've tried it on? Attacking Rumsfeld for his past actions will change nothing - it won't fix anything, it would improve anything, it won't alter anything.

The only way to change things is by making the decisions and choices for the future which will make a difference - not haggling over the past.

The past is done, written - can't change that.
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You can't change that, but you can send a message to those left in charge still. If they fear the People, they will not act against us.
 
Thunder said:
The GOP refused to have terrorists housed on American soil.
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Obama expanded black ops prisons in Afghanistan...but your comment...its still pretty comical. When Bush was president, with or without GOP countrol of congress and with far lesser majorities he somehow managed to rule the world. Your guy, with far greater majority control over the house and senate, apparently couldnt sharpen a pencil without the GOP approval. EVERYTHING is the GOPs fault...to mindless ideologues.
 
VanceMack said:
Obama expanded black ops prisons in Afghanistan...but your comment...its still pretty comical. When Bush was president, with or without GOP countrol of congress and with far lesser majorities he somehow managed to rule the world. Your guy, with far greater majority control over the house and senate, apparently couldnt sharpen a pencil without the GOP approval. EVERYTHING is the GOPs fault...to mindless ideologues.
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Well to certain degree, the GOP is part of the Republocrats, and this is all the Republocrats fault. As you have even shown here, Obama is not much different than Bush and expands and refuses to close down many controversial prisons and practices. Peas in a pod.
 
Ikari said:
Well to certain degree, the GOP is part of the Republocrats, and this is all the Republocrats fault. As you have even shown here, Obama is not much different than Bush and expands and refuses to close down many controversial prisons and practices. Peas in a pod.
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Hey, Obama does get some things right.
 
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