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Re: EMBARRASSING: 40% Of Texas Job Growth Since 2007 Went To Illegal Immigrants Read

Uhm...the article says "we estimate that half were illegal", but doesn't provide any evidence to back it up???

Illegal workers aside, the fed decides how many legal immigrants come in, and those people will need jobs. If we're employing the best legal candidate for the job, I fail to see the problem there. If we want jobs to go to naturalized or born citizens then we should stop issuing workers' visas and green cards for legal immigrants that allow them to seek and acquire employment. Can't really have it both ways, though.
 
Re: EMBARRASSING: 40% Of Texas Job Growth Since 2007 Went To Illegal Immigrants Read

The article states that jobs did grow. So where is the myth concerning that? If true, this would be a huge talking point for a candidate running on closing our borders right now. Unfortunately, that isn't Perry.
 
Re: EMBARRASSING: 40% Of Texas Job Growth Since 2007 Went To Illegal Immigrants Read

Also, the vast majority of job growth in Texas during the last five years has been in Government jobs, not the private sector. So much for those "small government so called Conservative" values.
 
Re: EMBARRASSING: 40% Of Texas Job Growth Since 2007 Went To Illegal Immigrants Read

Also, the vast majority of job growth in Texas during the last five years has been in Government jobs, not the private sector. So much for those "small government so called Conservative" values.

I've seen this claim but can't find statistics to corroborate. Can you link to an article or a data source with this information?
 
Re: EMBARRASSING: 40% Of Texas Job Growth Since 2007 Went To Illegal Immigrants Read

I've seen this claim but can't find statistics to corroborate. Can you link to an article or a data source with this information?

Sure....here ya go:

How Rick Perry Created Jobs in Texas - Rick Newman (usnews.com)

"There's an important caveat, however, that the Texas governor is unlikely to volunteer: Virtually all of those new jobs are in the government sector, not in private enterprise."

Here are the numbers:
Information jobs. Texas: Down 10.9 percent
Manufacturing jobs. Texas: Down 11.6 percent
Construction jobs. Texas: Down 14.5 percent.
State government jobs. Texas: Up 8.4 percent
Local government jobs. Texas: Up 6.1 percent
Federal government jobs. Texas: Up 7 percent.
 
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Re: EMBARRASSING: 40% Of Texas Job Growth Since 2007 Went To Illegal Immigrants Read

Sure....here ya go:

How Rick Perry Created Jobs in Texas - Rick Newman (usnews.com)

"There's an important caveat, however, that the Texas governor is unlikely to volunteer: Virtually all of those new jobs are in the government sector, not in private enterprise."

Here are the numbers:
Information jobs. Texas: Down 10.9 percent
Manufacturing jobs. Texas: Down 11.6 percent
Construction jobs. Texas: Down 14.5 percent.
State government jobs. Texas: Up 8.4 percent
Local government jobs. Texas: Up 6.1 percent
Federal government jobs. Texas: Up 7 percent.

This article, also citing BLS numbers, contradicts a lot of what you're saying, and explains what it doesn't contradict.

Rick Perry And Texas Job Numbers « Political Math

Further, we seem to have added 70k government jobs (most of them federal jobs dealing with the Census (check out the graph towards the bottom), while we added the following (from an article dated 8/27/11):

The fastest-growing industry in Texas is mining and logging, which grew by 19.4 percent, or 40,500 net jobs, over the last year.
Three other industry sectors added more jobs than mining over the last year: trade, transportation and utilities increased by 57,900 net jobs; professional and business services by 53,400 net jobs; and leisure and hospitality by 44,900 net jobs.

Also, look at this...less govt. jobs:
Texas cut 9,400 government jobs in July. The Center for Public Policy Priorities estimates that the state will lose 49,000 government jobs as a result of budget cuts, primarily to education financing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/28/us/28ttjobs.html

So...about that 1/2 of jobs business, again??
 
Re: EMBARRASSING: 40% Of Texas Job Growth Since 2007 Went To Illegal Immigrants Read

Sure....here ya go:

How Rick Perry Created Jobs in Texas - Rick Newman (usnews.com)

"There's an important caveat, however, that the Texas governor is unlikely to volunteer: Virtually all of those new jobs are in the government sector, not in private enterprise."

Here are the numbers:
Information jobs. Texas: Down 10.9 percent
Manufacturing jobs. Texas: Down 11.6 percent
Construction jobs. Texas: Down 14.5 percent.
State government jobs. Texas: Up 8.4 percent
Local government jobs. Texas: Up 6.1 percent
Federal government jobs. Texas: Up 7 percent.
It's all that government manufacturing that's the problem.
 
Re: EMBARRASSING: 40% Of Texas Job Growth Since 2007 Went To Illegal Immigrants Read

I'm sorry, but even though Texas is a Red State, we are the most illegal immigrant friendly State in the Union. We always have been and are not likely to change. It helps to have a strong low pay worker base to attract companies to our State.
 
Re: EMBARRASSING: 40% Of Texas Job Growth Since 2007 Went To Illegal Immigrants Read

I'm sorry, but even though Texas is a Red State, we are the most illegal immigrant friendly State in the Union. We always have been and are not likely to change. It helps to have a strong low pay worker base to attract companies to our State.

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration.
 
Re: EMBARRASSING: 40% Of Texas Job Growth Since 2007 Went To Illegal Immigrants Read

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration.
If you were fair, you'd have said the same to donc, but you were nicer in your reply.
 
Re: EMBARRASSING: 40% Of Texas Job Growth Since 2007 Went To Illegal Immigrants Read

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration.

Which part?
 
Re: EMBARRASSING: 40% Of Texas Job Growth Since 2007 Went To Illegal Immigrants Read

Which part?

Texas being "most friendly" to illegals. We aren't as strict against those already here as other states, but we did pass laws which allow/require citizenship status to be checked for those arrested in the commission of crime, we don't allow sanctuary cities, and we've spent and requested tons to help secure the borders.
 
Re: EMBARRASSING: 40% Of Texas Job Growth Since 2007 Went To Illegal Immigrants Read

The article states that jobs did grow. So where is the myth concerning that? If true, this would be a huge talking point for a candidate running on closing our borders right now. Unfortunately, that isn't Perry.

Only if you don't look too closely at it.
 
Re: EMBARRASSING: 40% Of Texas Job Growth Since 2007 Went To Illegal Immigrants Read

I did a search and more than one source is referencing this study. I doubt we can get exact numbers, but it might be worth keeping an open mind about. Now, as for government money being involved:

Perry criticizes government while Texas job growth benefits from it

(snip)

What he does not say is that much of that job growth has come because of government, not in spite of it.

Perry criticizes government while Texas job growth benefits from it - The Washington Post
 
Re: EMBARRASSING: 40% Of Texas Job Growth Since 2007 Went To Illegal Immigrants Read

Texas being "most friendly" to illegals. We aren't as strict against those already here as other states, but we did pass laws which allow/require citizenship status to be checked for those arrested in the commission of crime, we don't allow sanctuary cities, and we've spent and requested tons to help secure the borders.

Many regard Houston as a sanctuary city.

According to the Houston Chronicle, "Houston does not have a sanctuary city policy, but a long-standing police order limits inquiries about immigration status to crime suspects."

http://blog.chron.com/texaspolitics/2010/10/perry-vows-to-abolish-sanctuary-cities-in-texas/


Houston’s policy (Houston Police Department General Order 500-5) states: “Officers shall not make inquiries as to the citizenship of any person.”
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39825184/Houston-s-Sanctuary-City-Policy-GO-500-5

The Congressional Research Service has identified Houston as a Sanctuary City.

http://www.ilw.com/immigrationdaily/news/2006,0912-crs.pdf
 
Re: EMBARRASSING: 40% Of Texas Job Growth Since 2007 Went To Illegal Immigrants Read

I guess we don’t have to wonder about perrys take on immigrants anymore. Kinda looks like he is in the process of being yesterday’s news.:2wave:

<Cain upsets Perry in Florida Republican straw poll>


<Perry was a distant second at 15 percent, just ahead of Romney, who won 14 percent despite not participating in the poll. Further back were Rick Santorum, Ron Paul, Newt Gingrich, Jon Huntsman and Michele Bachmann.>



Cain upsets Perry in Florida Republican straw poll | Reuters
 
Re: EMBARRASSING: 40% Of Texas Job Growth Since 2007 Went To Illegal Immigrants Read

Texas being "most friendly" to illegals. We aren't as strict against those already here as other states, but we did pass laws which allow/require citizenship status to be checked for those arrested in the commission of crime, we don't allow sanctuary cities, and we've spent and requested tons to help secure the borders.
Yes, laws have been passed so that we can 'put on airs' about dealing with the illegal alien workers. None of which are being enforced.
 
Re: EMBARRASSING: 40% Of Texas Job Growth Since 2007 Went To Illegal Immigrants Read

Oops! Do you suppose that Perry's whole position on Illegal Aliens is about votes?

How Democrat it would be of him if that's behind what he's been saying.
 
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Re: EMBARRASSING: 40% Of Texas Job Growth Since 2007 Went To Illegal Immigrants Read

One thing's for sure, Gov. Perry's record on immigration won't win him alot of support from his base. Regardless of how TX employment and job creation numbers are spun, it's not going to look good for Perry on the immigration front going into the GOP primaries OR if he happens to win the GOP nomination and has to debate the President on this issue. Perry's stance on providing education to "anchor babies" as they're called closely mirrors the DREAM Act. As such, Perry will face just as much opposition on the immigration front from his base as Romney now faces on healthcare reform.

Hiring illegals, creating low-paying jobs mostly in local, state and federal government and calling SocSec a ponzi scheme aren't winning Perry many favors.
 
Re: EMBARRASSING: 40% Of Texas Job Growth Since 2007 Went To Illegal Immigrants Read

One thing's for sure, Gov. Perry's record on immigration won't win him alot of support from his base. Regardless of how TX employment and job creation numbers are spun, it's not going to look good for Perry on the immigration front going into the GOP primaries OR if he happens to win the GOP nomination and has to debate the President on this issue. Perry's stance on providing education to "anchor babies" as they're called closely mirrors the DREAM Act. As such, Perry will face just as much opposition on the immigration front from his base as Romney now faces on healthcare reform.

Hiring illegals, creating low-paying jobs mostly in local, state and federal government and calling SocSec a ponzi scheme aren't winning Perry many favors.

Only if they actually look at the record and examine it. :coffeepap
 
Re: EMBARRASSING: 40% Of Texas Job Growth Since 2007 Went To Illegal Immigrants Read

Well if Americans were more competitive in the job market, then maybe we wouldn't have this problem. Aren't conservatives all about self reliance?
 
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