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Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

Catawba said:
You seem to miss the fact that many of the 1 in 6 living in poverty used to live in middle class before the last 30 years of trickle down economics.
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Where did you pull that out of?
 
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Catawba said:
That doesn't negate the fact that 1 in 6 people in this country live in poverty today, That is more than at any time since the great depression. This at the same time the rich have gotten richer.
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There are 3 million more living in poverty and 2.1 milion fewer jobs since the Libbos took over the government. Looks like Liberalism hasn't done much for the country, either.
 
apdst said:
There are 3 million more living in poverty and 2.1 milion fewer jobs since the Libbos took over the government. Looks like Liberalism hasn't done much for the country, either.
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And in large part that is due to the PArty of No, refusing to repeal tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans....that....along with a handful of conservative blue dogs.

You can't blame the "Libbos" when there hasn't been any liberal policy implemented. Sorry...but it is the "Conservative" principles that are destroying the middle and working class in this country. Implement a true "liberal" agenda and you would see those numbers change dramatically...and not in a direction that people with your mindset would like.
 
disneydude said:
And in large part that is due to the PArty of No, refusing to repeal tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans....that....along with a handful of conservative blue dogs.

You can't blame the "Libbos" when there hasn't been any liberal policy implemented. Sorry...but it is the "Conservative" principles that are destroying the middle and working class in this country. Implement a true "liberal" agenda and you would see those numbers change dramatically...and not in a direction that people with your mindset would like.
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We just got through two years of Libbos running everything, 2009-2010, and they just ****ed up everything worse.

A true "liberal" agenda is the greatest conceivable disaster. Thanks, but HELL NO !
 
conservativeguy said:
That statistic is utter BS. It doesn't factor in any of the transfer payments (free food, free housing, free medical care, free phones, free utilities, free cable, free clothing, free education, free transportation, etc) these supposedly "poor" receive. A poor person in the US has a better standard of living than most of the people on this planet. Boo hoo.
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I doubt you would make that claim if you spent any time in Western Europe, Canada or Japan. The standard of living of the poor in other 1st world countries (assuming we can still classify the US as a 1st world country, given a wealth distribution system patterned after Mexico) is much higher in each of these than it is here. You do not see abject poverty in any of those countries (given Western Europe is not a country). Funny, Americans want to think they have the highest standard of living in the world (which we do not), but when you talk of the poor here, they want to compare their living standards to those of the Congo.
 
apdst said:
There are 3 million more living in poverty and 2.1 milion fewer jobs since the Libbos took over the government. Looks like Liberalism hasn't done much for the country, either.
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Just goes to show just how deep a hole the drunken sailors that were in charge from 2001 to 2009 left. That was quite a bar bill the libs have to figure out how to pay... and they haven't figured it out yet.
 
upsideguy said:
Just goes to show just how deep a hole the drunken sailors that were in charge from 2001 to 2009 left. That was quite a bar bill the libs have to figure out how to pay... and they haven't figured it out yet.
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Deficits were in decline until 2008, when Democrats controlled spending and taxes.
 
Reg said:
Deficits were in decline until 2008, when Democrats controlled spending and taxes.
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Perhaps that is true in an alternative universe, but here on earth, Bush led America from obstensively a balanced budget when he took office to a running deficit in excess of $1T per year. Sorry, but you are living in another reality (perhaps the reality of Fox)..

The table below is from the US Budget. You will not the yellow-hightlighted area: this is the reality of the Bush years.

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Feel free to try again.
 
I said 2008. 2007 was the last year the deficit was in decline.
 
Reg said:
I said 2008. 2007 was the last year the deficit was in decline.
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Yes, because the Bush recession started kicking in late 2007.

Bush took office with virtual no deficit, then immediately started with $300-500B deficits. He gets ZERO credit for lowering a deficit he created back to $300B... Then he handed over an economy that was in such recession that revenues dropped from $2.5T to $2.1T (adding another $400B to the deficit). Sorry, you get no credit for creating an incredible mess, but just mitigating some of that mess later in your tenure.

Sorry, but Bush was a very bad boy scout as he failed to leave the campsite better than he found it....
 
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upsideguy said:
Bush took office with virtual no deficit, then immediately started with $300-500B deficits. He gets ZERO credit for lowering a deficit he created back to $300B... Then he handed over an economy that was in such recession that revenues dropped from $2.5T to $2.1T (adding another $400B to the deficit). Sorry, you get no credit for creating an incredible mess, but just mitigating some of that mess later in his tenure. He did not leave the campsite better than he found it....
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The economy was flat on its back after 9/11. Even with tax cuts, deficits declined and unemployment stabilized.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
We just got through two years of Libbos running everything, 2009-2010, and they just ****ed up everything worse.

A true "liberal" agenda is the greatest conceivable disaster. Thanks, but HELL NO !
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Oh puh-lease....just shows how little you actually know. There was never a "Libbos" running things in 2009-10. You had the Party of No....refusing everything...and you had a handful of conservative bluedogs joining them as well. So what we got stuck with was the same failed GWB ideas that got us into this mess in the first place.

The policies of the party of NO is what is leading to the destruction of the middle and working class. The GOP will not be happy until they have led this country into feudalism.
 
Which party controlled the Executive and Legislative branches of government until in 2009 and 2010?
 
Reg said:
The economy was flat on its back after 9/11. Even with tax cuts, deficits declined and unemployment stabilized.
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Or it could be that funding two wars costing $1T out of pocket (and likely $3T overall ... Cost of War to the United States | COSTOFWAR.COM or The Iraq War Will Cost Us $3 Trillion, and Much More), one completely elective, through tax cuts wasn't particularly good idea. Sorry, but 9/11 did not cause 8 years of $300-500B deficits; poor leadership and bad policy did.causes of the deficit.jpg
 
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apdst said:
There are 3 million more living in poverty and 2.1 milion fewer jobs since the Libbos took over the government. Looks like Liberalism hasn't done much for the country, either.
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The fair and balanced folks wish Americans could just forget all about those eight years of the Bush Administration along with six years of Republican controlled congress.
 
Reg said:
Which party controlled the Executive and Legislative branches of government until in 2009 and 2010?
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What you are failing to understand is that it wasn't "liberals" who controlled the Executive and Legislative branches (no matter what FoxNews wants you to believe).

You have quite a few bluedog conservatives in the Democrat Congress....the rest is made up almost entirely of moderate Democrats, with very few Liberal Democrats. The Executive Branch is left-leaning moderate at best.
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The reality is....the blue dogs combined with the party of No, didn't allow for any "liberal agenda". We got the same failed Republican ideas that got us into this mess in the first place.

Until there is a fundamental change in our government, we are going to continue in the vein that we are heading, which is the destruction of the middle and working class. This is exactly what the 99%'s are seeing and why people in this country are fed up and have had enough
 
TheDemSocialist said:
I find it ironic because if the Tea Party gets a protest of like 2,000-6,000 people it get amazing media attention... Now just imagine if the tea party protesters were getting arrested...
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SHORT MEMORY; Recall when the Tea Party started how the media called them "old crazies" and the like. Has anyone noticed the difference in the overall appearance of the participants as well as their tactics. Which group looks like a bath would be an improvement and which group is defying property owners be refusing to leave and smokin dat weefa and cwak? One of the sorriest elements about the Viet Nam era protests is the drug addicted, lazy, jobless filth that joined the marches for the sole reason they had nothing better to do and the received free food and drinks. Now they grand kids take up their cause.
 
jasonxe said:
Peter Schiff @ Occupy The Fed 10/20/11, Economist and representative of the 1% shows up on Wall St to discuss the concerns of Occupy Wall St. protesters. O... - glass stegal guy at 15 min cata
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Thanks! Good on the protesters! I think its great they have put the reinstatement of the Glass-Steagall bill at the top of their demands. Letting commercial banking combine with investment banking was a bad idea and created banks too big to fail because they were speculating with people's life savings, and they will continue to do so as long as we allow it.
 
I have a crazy idea for those who are against the OWS movement:

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Catawba said:
Thanks! Good on the protesters! I think its great they have put the reinstatement of the Glass-Steagall bill at the top of their demands. Letting commercial banking combine with investment banking was a bad idea and created banks too big to fail because they were speculating with people's life savings, and they will continue to do so as long as we allow it.
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The Volker rule will go in this direction. We also need to make sure that companies like Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs which are investment houses not banks can't change their designation just to get under the Fed umbrella when they get in trouble.
 
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