Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

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Caine said:

Its hard to tell what it LOOKS like with absolutely no context..... which is par for the course here.

We'll see videos of police taking folks into custody but no evidence of what happened before...

We'll see videos zoomed in as far as you can on one detail, but ignoring the others.

Ive seen a video where they were showing the arrest of a guy, and another guy jumped in and started assaulting cops, and the cameraman quickly moved to a different angle so you couldn't see the dude attacking police... imagine that.

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The video was clear. The cops are leading the protestors on the roadway of the bridge. Denying the obvious is par for the course and SOP for thug cops

nonpareil said:

It's not a strawman if you understand the arguement. The word "hostile" doesn't have to include "violence", the word "violence" does have to include "violence". The other poster was confused about the word "hostile" to mean "violence" (i.e. rip them to shreds). I'm pointing out what the correct context for each usage are.





Because the police thought they were hostile.





Right. The key word is "feel". When hundreds of people who I think are hostile crowd in on me, I have every reasons to feel threatened, whether in actual fact they mean to harm me or not. I can't read their minds.




No, people are not allowed to say whatever they want to the police. Inciting riot for example is a crime (though I do not think this is a case of inciting riot). And they didn't just "say", they moved in on the police. As I said, the video shows the police to be in a very claustrophobic position. At the end of that video, one of the protestors were thanking the police for beating them as it furthers their propaganda.

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You were trying (and failing) to explain why the cops used violence. If there was no threat of violence from the protesters, it makes no difference if they were hostile. You claim you can't read their minds, but then you turn around and claim the protesters were hostile to the cops. You're trying to have it both ways. And now you're trying to BS and claim that the protesters were inciting a riot.

i appreciate those brave youngs who attempts to disturb the ones who own the -great part of your national property.not only there but in turkey youngs are coshed and beaten by police and it means a facism!

Medusa said:

i appreciate those brave youngs who attempts to disturb the ones who own the -great part of your national property.not only there but in turkey youngs are coshed and beaten by police and it means a facism!

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Your protesters, who are facing a reality more harsh than our own, have our support!

The 99 percenters look more like the 1% too me.

sangha said:

You were trying (and failing) to explain why the cops used violence. If there was no threat of violence from the protesters, it makes no difference if they were hostile. You claim you can't read their minds, but then you turn around and claim the protesters were hostile to the cops. You're trying to have it both ways. And now you're trying to BS and claim that the protesters were inciting a riot.

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I wasn't trying to explain anything. I stated my opinion, take it or leave it, it's up to you. Whether the protestors use actual violence is besides the point since from the first post I emphasised the word "feel". If the cops feel threatened then they can use force. From the video, the cop's position was claustrophobic, the crowd was hostile to them, the cops can use force. That is my opinion. And if you bother to read carefully instead of letting your emotions take over, maybe you would have read that: I do not think this is a case of inciting riot. The arguement is there to show that your claim that people can say whatever they want to the police is false. There are limits to all sort of freedom, including free speech.

sawyerloggingon said:

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The 99 percenters look more like the 1% too me.

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You think they look like they own most of wealth in the country do you?

Looks like every single one of them has clothes, has eaten well and can most likely afford tickets tot eh next Dave Matthews concert coming along.

The shame is some of them, when they grow up, will not ever have the chance to realize what fools and useful idiots they were back in 2011.

Some of them will never have the satori that will teach the ones who do that they are the richest, freest, most comfortable and prosperous 99% in the history (and geography) of the entire world.

cAPSLOCK said:

Looks like every single one of them has clothes, has eaten well and can most likely afford tickets tot eh next Dave Matthews concert coming along.

The shame is some of them, when they grow up, will not ever have the chance to realize what fools and useful idiots they were back in 2011.

Some of them will never have the satori that will teach the ones who do that they are the richest, freest, most comfortable and prosperous 99% in the history (and geography) of the entire world.

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I'll pass on to the middle class that you said they are doing the best ever in history. I am sure they will feel much better! :sinking:

Catawba said:

You think they look like they own most of wealth in the country do you?

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I think they look like the 1% of the country that are worthless little punks that don't have a job because they don't want a job.

Catawba said:

I'll pass on to the middle class that you said they are doing the best ever in history. I am sure they will feel much better! :sinking:

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Is all you got quippy little one lines, sarcasm and feigned outrage?

I am the middle class. Most likely on the low end of it. I don't pay very much in income tax.

And I think things can get better.

But compare this time to any other time in history.

I am free from most terrible diseases of the past, inoculated against many.
I can turn a knob and get water that is safe to drink. IN A PARK as well as my home.
I am free to worship God as I see fit.
I am free to pursue my own happiness.
I am free to run my business.
I have good food.
I have access to a worldwide communication system with endless information.
If I am hurt there are hospitals nearby (I owe one a lot of money for helping me after an accident 2 years ago).
I have had a free basic education, and can read and write.
I had many choices as to further education after that. Some of which were financially possible for me.

This list could go on and on.

No time in history has it been better to be the "common man". Never has a single voice had so much amplification. Never has freedom, equality, justice, and opportunity been better. I can hardly imagine the technological advances which will help my children.

And as to location I have been overseas in less developed nations. I helped people who had no medicine or clean water. I have close friends who went to Haiti after the earthquakes to help people be cured of cholera.

So to be alive at this moment in history, and a part of western civilization...

I think some of the people and ideas in the OWS movement have merit.

But I think many are some of the most ungrateful, unenlightened FOOLS in the history of the world.

Tensions are now rising to the point where people are getting arrested for closing out their bank accounts. Citibank and undercover cops locked in customers who wanted to close their accounts. One lady managed to get outside, but then about six police and one under cover thug was needed to apprehend her.

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cAPSLOCK said:

Is all you got quippy little one lines, sarcasm and feigned outrage?

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It seemed the best response to a post of quippy little one lines, sarcasm and feigned outrage.

I am the middle class. Most likely on the low end of it. I don't pay very much in income tax.

And I think things can get better.

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So do the protesters, that is why they are standing up to assume responsibility for making it happen.

But compare this time to any other time in history.

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Ok, lets compare back to the decades when we had a more progressive tax system and the Glass-Steagall Act

I am free from most terrible diseases of the past, inoculated against many.
I can turn a knob and get water that is safe to drink. IN A PARK as well as my home.
I am free to worship God as I see fit.
I am free to pursue my own happiness.
I am free to run my business.
I have good food.
I have access to a worldwide communication system with endless information.
If I am hurt there are hospitals nearby (I owe one a lot of money for helping me after an accident 2 years ago).
I have had a free basic education, and can read and write.
I had many choices as to further education after that. Some of which were financially possible for me.

This list could go on and on.

No time in history has it been better to be the "common man". Never has a single voice had so much amplification. Never has freedom, equality, justice, and opportunity been better. I can hardly imagine the technological advances which will help my children.

And as to location I have been overseas in less developed nations. I helped people who had no medicine or clean water. I have close friends who went to Haiti after the earthquakes to help people be cured of cholera.

So to be alive at this moment in history, and a part of western civilization...

I think some of the people and ideas in the OWS movement have merit.

But I think many are some of the most ungrateful, unenlightened FOOLS in the history of the world.

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I am glad you are doing so well! That doesn't negate the fact that 1 in 6 people in this country live in poverty today, That is more than at any time since the great depression. This at the same time the rich have gotten richer.

Antiderivative said:

Tensions are now rising to the point where people are getting arrested for closing out their bank accounts. Citibank and undercover cops locked in customers who wanted to close their accounts. One lady managed to get outside, but then about six police and one under cover thug was needed to apprehend her.

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How can they do that?

Catawba said:

How can they do that?

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Calling for a bank run IS against the law.

What this DOES demonstrate is how close to the edge these banks must be if they are actually having that law enforced in such a manner.

Oh, and maybe not get a crowd of 50+ people and announce that you are cancelling your account... Nothing can really prevent a bank run that is spontaneous however, except for a bank holiday, which would be claimed for a "bank restructuring".

BmanMcfly said:

Calling for a bank run IS against the law.

What this DOES demonstrate is how close to the edge these banks must be if they are actually having that law enforced in such a manner.

Oh, and maybe not get a crowd of 50+ people and announce that you are cancelling your account... Nothing can really prevent a bank run that is spontaneous however, except for a bank holiday, which would be claimed for a "bank restructuring".

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I've been reading about this further. It seems the arrests had nothing to do with a "run on the bank."

"two dozen were arrested on charges of criminal trespass when demonstrators entered a Citibank bank branch near Washington Square Park and refused to leave, police said. One protester was arrested on a charge of resisting arrest.

Citibank said in a statement that police asked the branch to close until the protesters could be taken away. "One person asked to close an account and was accommodated," Citibank said."

Thousands of protesters fill NYC's Times Square | Burlington Free Press | burlingtonfreepress.com

It be easier to elect a president and representatives that will go after the fed and won't bail out big banks/corps. Who will let capitalism, free markets go to work and repeal laws that they lobbied for to make the field anti-competitive. That will make them **** bricks so hard that... well there is no word for it. But this requires people to get into politics like if it was American idol. That and people to stop watching bias msm and go alternative. I support the cause but I don't think they'll get a solution out of it other then Obama somewhere making a teleprompter speech....or abloish govt and do a remake i guess.

Catawba said:

I've been reading about this further. It seems the arrests had nothing to do with a "run on the bank."

"two dozen were arrested on charges of criminal trespass when demonstrators entered a Citibank bank branch near Washington Square Park and refused to leave, police said. One protester was arrested on a charge of resisting arrest.

Citibank said in a statement that police asked the branch to close until the protesters could be taken away. "One person asked to close an account and was accommodated," Citibank said."

Thousands of protesters fill NYC's Times Square | Burlington Free Press | burlingtonfreepress.com

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There is hope for you yet, you really can see and accept the truth and the facts on rare occassion.

Catawba said:

That doesn't negate the fact that 1 in 6 people in this country live in poverty today,

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That statistic is utter BS. It doesn't factor in any of the transfer payments (free food, free housing, free medical care, free phones, free utilities, free cable, free clothing, free education, free transportation, etc) these supposedly "poor" receive. A poor person in the US has a better standard of living than most of the people on this planet. Boo hoo.

conservativeguy said:

That statistic is utter BS. It doesn't factor in any of the transfer payments (free food, free housing, free medical care, free phones, free utilities, free cable, free clothing, free education, free transportation, etc) these supposedly "poor" receive. A poor person in the US has a better standard of living than most of the people on this planet. Boo hoo.

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You seem to miss the fact that many of the 1 in 6 living in poverty used to live in middle class before the last 30 years of trickle down economics. Perhaps you think the middle class should be happy about this downgrade? From what I am seeing in protests in 48 of our states, they don't seem to be as happy about the downgrade as you say they should be.

Catawba said:

You seem to miss the fact that many of the 1 in 6 living in poverty used to live in middle class before the last 30 years of trickle down economics. Perhaps you think the middle class should be happy about this downgrade? From what I am seeing in protests in 48 of our states, they don't seem to be as happy about the downgrade as you say they should be.

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I hate to break it to you but after 30 years most people retire and earn a fraction of their working salary as part of retirement. It's a problem that people retire on less than they made while actually working?
Is it a problem where our lifestyle in the U.S. is dramitcally higher than in nearly every other corner of the globe? Killing me.

Mach said:

I hate to break it to you but after 30 years most people retire and earn a fraction of their working salary as part of retirement. It's a problem that people retire on less than they made while actually working?
Is it a problem where our lifestyle in the U.S. is dramitcally higher than in nearly every other corner of the globe? Killing me.

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What are you saying? That the middle class should be happy that the middle class of the 60's were doing well, but they should be content with poverty, while the rich have gotten much richer? That's your idea of shared sacrifice?