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Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

sangha said:
The post you're argreeing was a dishonest one.

The police led the protesters onto the bridge. But cops will lie to protect other cops in...every...single....case. If that doesn't tell you something about cops.... I don't know what will.
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There seems to be a disagreement between different groups on whether the police "led" them onto the bridge or not. I'll stick with respectable police officers before I'll believe a mob of protesters, especially when those protesters all don't have the same story either......... who to believe?

For you, its whichever story makes the police look the worse......


Now go back to your cave, troll.
 
Caine said:
There seems to be a disagreement between different groups on whether the police "led" them onto the bridge or not. I'll stick with respectable police officers before I'll believe a mob of protesters, especially when those protesters all don't have the same story either......... who to believe?

For you, its whichever story makes the police look the worse......


Now go back to your cave, troll.
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Not sure the exact point that the libs are making. The protesters had permission to traverse the bridge, so long as they stayed on the pedestrian walkways. The arrests were made when protesters chose to walk in the roadway, and deliberately obstruct traffic. I believe the issue would be whether or not the police led them into the roadways or not. I have seen no evidence that such is the case. Whether they led them on the walkways or not would be a moot point.

Of course, yesterday we had a bunch arrested in DC tryng to move their protest into the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum, causing some to be pepper sprayed, and the Museum shut down. Sure all the tourists appreciated that from these punks. There wil be more arrests, as that's how the libs protest.
 
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Excerpt of transcript of today's Occupy Wall Street protest in NY, which has now grown to 25 cities:

"We can see that for a long time we allowed our political engagement also to be outsourced. We want it back. We are not communists. If communism means the system which collapsed in 1990, remember that today those communists are the most efficient ruthless capitalists. In China today we have capitalism which is even more dynamic than your American capitalism but doesn’t need democracy. Which means when you criticize capitalism, don’t allow yourselves to be blackmailed that you are against democracy. The marriage between democracy and capitalism is over.

The change is possible. So, what do we consider today possible? Just follow the media. On the one hand in technology and sexuality everything seems to be possible. You can travel to the moon. You can become immortal by biogenetics. You can have sex with animals or whatever. But look at the fields of society and economy. There almost everything is considered impossible. You want to raise taxes a little bit for the rich, they tell you it’s impossible, we lose competitivitiy. You want more money for healthcare: they tell you impossible, this means a totalitarian state. There is something wrong in the world where you are promised to be immortal but cannot spend a little bit more for health care. Maybe that ??? set our priorities straight here. We don’t want higher standards of living. We want better standards of living. The only sense in which we are communists is that we care for the commons. The commons of nature. The commons of what is privatized by intellectual property. The commons of biogenetics. For this and only for this we should fight."

Occupy Wall Street | NYC Protest for American Revolution
 
Arguements like that are going to do very little to help. I'm doubting I would have actually quoted it.

Live forever? Sex with animals? Sorry, what is the arguement here?
 
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1Perry said:
Arguements like that are going to do very little to help. I'm doubting I would have actually quoted it.

Live forever? Sex with animals? Sorry, what is the arguement here?
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I don't think anyone could have explained the point better here:

:look at the fields of society and economy. There almost everything is considered impossible. You want to raise taxes a little bit for the rich, they tell you it’s impossible, we lose competitivitiy. You want more money for healthcare: they tell you impossible, this means a totalitarian state. There is something wrong in the world where you are promised to be immortal but cannot spend a little bit more for health care. Maybe that ??? set our priorities straight here. We don’t want higher standards of living. We want better standards of living. The only sense in which we are communists is that we care for the commons. The commons of nature. The commons of what is privatized by intellectual property. The commons of biogenetics. For this and only for this we should fight."
 
Catawba said:
I don't think anyone could have explained the point better here:
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The two people quoted in the other thread did a 100% better job. This guy is simply a clueless loon.
 
1Perry said:
The two people quoted in the other thread did a 100% better job. This guy is simply a clueless loon.
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He's saying our priorities are screwed up, that we place a higher priority on tax cuts for the rich than we do for affordable health care for We the people.

I think he is right on target.
 
Catawba said:
He's saying our priorities are screwed up, that we place a higher priority on tax cuts for the rich than we do for affordable health care for We the people.

I think he is right on target.
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Sorry, his rants are those of a loon. Yours is the arguement the people made in the other article I agreed with. This guy going off on sex with animals and living forever is nothing more than someone with a few screws loose.

I'd stick with quoting the sane portion of the protest.
 
1Perry said:
Sorry, his rants are those of a loon. Yours is the arguement the people made in the other article I agreed with. This guy going off on sex with animals and living forever is nothing more than someone with a few screws loose.

I'd stick with quoting the sane portion of the protest.
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Nope it was the same point as above. At any rate, he doesn't appear to be slowing the protest down, as it has now spread to 25 cities.
 
Catawba said:
Nope it was the same point as above. At any rate, he doesn't appear to be slowing the protest down, as it has now spread to 25 cities.
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It will if someone lets the live forever, sex with animals crowd get a foothold.
 
Actually, the shriller and more outrageous the outcry from the right, the more people in the middle will look at the movement to see what it is really about and realize that some of the points being made are valid. I want to personally thank all of you Tea Party types, Libertarians and mouthy right-wingers for helping us grow this movement. That sure is mighty nice of you.
 
1Perry said:
It will if someone lets the live forever, sex with animals crowd get a foothold.
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You truly do not understand the references he provided for those terms?
 
Frolicking Dinosaurs said:
Actually, the shriller and more outrageous the outcry from the right, the more people in the middle will look at the movement to see what it is really about and realize that some of the points being made are valid. I want to personally thank all of you Tea Party types, Libertarians and mouthy right-wingers for helping us grow this movement. That sure is mighty nice of you.
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To be fair, there are tea partiers out there marching with OWS. IMO the more legitimate ones that are fiscally oriented. Lot of Ron Paul types there.
 
Frolicking Dinosaurs said:
Actually, the shriller and more outrageous the outcry from the right, the more people in the middle will look at the movement to see what it is really about and realize that some of the points being made are valid. I want to personally thank all of you Tea Party types, Libertarians and mouthy right-wingers for helping us grow this movement. That sure is mighty nice of you.
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Can anyone tell us what this is about? What outcome is the crowd looking for?
 
washunut said:
Can anyone tell us what this is about? What outcome is the crowd looking for?
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It is about an awakening of the majority of America that our priorities are out of whack, that letting a few of the most wealthy profit at the expense of the majority is not in the best interest of the country.
 
washunut said:
Are you telling me there is still one person who takes that knucklehead seriously? If he was serious about what he was talking about he would not have turned it into a partisan diatribe. Both parties are beholden to business.
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It's so easy to sit back and demand evidence then play passive dismisser. I kind of am doubting the sincerity you may have for wanting to know anything but rather believe your will is to just sit back and toss stones. Anyways, watch this. Kind of sums it up nicely I think.

 
1Perry said:
It's tough to take this message from someone who was one of the wealthiest members of Congress.
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Why? You being a conservative and all I thought you were of the mind that they deserve special attention and hoisted on a pedestal more than others.
 
Catawba said:
It is about an awakening of the majority of America that our priorities are out of whack, that letting a few of the most wealthy profit at the expense of the majority is not in the best interest of the country.
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I think Obama would have gotten a lot more traction on this issue years ago if he did not lump families making $250K with the Warren Buffet's of the world.

As to priorities, not sure what that means. There are all sorts of crazy incomes out there. Heads of hospitals make over a million dollars a year. Get a law degree from a top school and work in NY or DC and in a couple of years you are making 400K. CEOs make 500x the average worker at their company. How does this group intend on fixing any of these issues.

The hard work is finding answers, it is pretty easy to espouse problems.
 
washunut said:
I think Obama would have gotten a lot more traction on this issue years ago if he did not lump families making $250K with the Warren Buffet's of the world.

As to priorities, not sure what that means. There are all sorts of crazy incomes out there. Heads of hospitals make over a million dollars a year. Get a law degree from a top school and work in NY or DC and in a couple of years you are making 400K. CEOs make 500x the average worker at their company. How does this group intend on fixing any of these issues.

The hard work is finding answers, it is pretty easy to espouse problems.
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I don't think you've gotten the whole concept of this protest yet. Once most agree on the problems the answers come easier.
 
poweRob said:
It's so easy to sit back and demand evidence then play passive dismisser. I kind of am doubting the sincerity you may have for wanting to know anything but rather believe your will is to just sit back and toss stones. Anyways, watch this. Kind of sums it up nicely I think.

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No ron paul on audit the fed? Damn bias. :3

Catawba said:
I don't think you've gotten the whole concept of this protest yet. Once most agree on the problems the answers come easier.
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I think people already agree on the problems but everybody differs on a solution.
 
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Catawba said:
I don't think you've gotten the whole concept of this protest yet. Once most agree on the problems the answers come easier.
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All kidding aside I have not yet grasped what this is really all about. In my mind, if these folks are against what has been going on in Washington and are not partisans in disguise, then the message here would be somewhat similar to the fiscal points of the tea party. If not, why not?
 
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