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Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

Caine said:
My feeling on that video is.....

*barf* motion sickness....

Seriously though.... Why cant we ever get a clip of what was going on BEFORE the police action took place........
Even in this video it appears that the line got broke by the protestors and when the police began doing their job people flooded in to get closer and created the chaos....
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Yeah, outta context its just crowd control stuff.

There was a bit of that "joy in finally gettin to crack a few skulls" thing that keeps me away from protests with a potential for violence.
 
Jryan said:
:( That makes me a sad panda bear :(
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Why? It's helping the cause and going directly at the source. Like when Neo met the architect.

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Catawba said:
I'm just wondering what you felt about the video you posted?
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Well my initial thought was why is the lieutenant (white shirt) always going out of control macing and hitting people? Where I grew up, I never had any use for the police and they constantly hassle people (even kids). You're getting rob, murder, gun shots... police won't come. I wouldn't mind seeing the protesters fight back if they get abused.

 
What if...? said:
Yeah, outta context its just crowd control stuff.

There was a bit of that "joy in finally gettin to crack a few skulls" thing that keeps me away from protests with a potential for violence.
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Crowd Control of this size is a very delicate situation.

When you and your fellow Officers are outnumbered 500 to 1 you begin to get the cornered cat mentality... and any advance from anyone becomes a threat to your safety in your mind.

I cant blame an officer for wanting to keep the angry crowds back, ESPECIALLY when they refuse to do so as they shout obscenities at you.
 
News the violence by law enforcement has apparently gone global. Was just reading an international discussion board taking about an escaped prisoner the FBI located in Portugal:
BBC said:
Convicted murderer George Wright escaped from a New Jersey prison in 1970 and hijacked a US airliner two years later while dressed as a priest..... and is now a Portuguese citizen having been granted political asylum.

He was part of the militant Black Liberation Army group, he hijacked a US plane to Algeria in 1972, the FBI says.

Wright is said to have produced a gun from a hollowed-out Bible and held it to a flight attendant's head.

At Miami airport, he and his accomplices demanded a $1m ransom.

The passengers were freed after the money was delivered by FBI agents forced to wear only swimsuits so the gang could see they were unarmed.

While the other hijackers were later caught, Wright remained at large for more than four decades - until his arrest in rural Portugal last month.
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The gist of the discussion is that Portugal should not return him to the US because the videos of what the police are doing to peaceful protestors and Gitmo prove the US cannot be trusted to give the prisoner even basic human rights. The Portuguese courts have not yet decided if he will be returned to the US or not.
 
Caine said:
Crowd Control of this size is a very delicate situation.

When you and your fellow Officers are outnumbered 500 to 1 you begin to get the cornered cat mentality... and any advance from anyone becomes a threat to your safety in your mind.

I cant blame an officer for wanting to keep the angry crowds back, ESPECIALLY when they refuse to do so as they shout obscenities at you.
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Don't we have the right to assemble (peacefully), it seems most of these riots break out because the cops are there pointing their sticks at people.
 
jasonxe said:
Why? It's helping the cause and going directly at the source. Like when Neo met the architect.

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Well my initial thought was why is the lieutenant (white shirt) always going out of control macing and hitting people? Where I grew up, I never had any use for the police and they constantly hassle people (even kids). You're getting rob, murder, gun shots... police won't come. I wouldn't mind seeing the protesters fight back if they get abused.

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I think that spanish soccer game was THE WORST example you could have came up with.

The guy was running around on the field disrupting the game.... The officers stopped him and were attempting to get cuffs on him using pain compliance as he resisting (typical arms under body holding arms together resistance most likely)... and then folks came out and started assaulting officers.

If THAT is your idea of police brutality....... you need to get out more....

Or you are most likely an anarchist....
 
Jryan said:
Don't we have the right to assemble (peacefully), it seems most of these riots break out because the cops are there pointing their sticks at people.
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You are not assembling peacefully if you break through barriers created to protect those who are trying to carry out their everyday lives just for the hell of it and then resist arrest, while encouraging your friends to break through and get up in the Police Officers face at the same time.

Peacefully is a completely over used phrase when dealing with protests.


Also, I getting a stick pointed at you and being reminded to stay back isn't an invitation to go from peaceful to riot and be justified.....

Apparently you haven't had to deal or been to a protest of such a size where idiots show up just for the purpose of instigating a riot.
 
Kane said:
The best signs would read: Obama resign!
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Jryan said:
Don't we have the right to assemble (peacefully), it seems most of these riots break out because the cops are there pointing their sticks at people.
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Not to mention the fact that Geitner predicted the bank failures in 2005, saying "there were significant problems that had to be addressed" regarding the banks during a congressional hearing.

Marches are totally justified, they knew about these failures far in advance of 2008.

See, you don't hire guys like this, Mr. Prez!
 
Caine said:
I think that spanish soccer game was THE WORST example you could have came up with.

The guy was running around on the field disrupting the game.... The officers stopped him and were attempting to get cuffs on him using pain compliance as he resisting (typical arms under body holding arms together resistance most likely)... and then folks came out and started assaulting officers.

If THAT is your idea of police brutality....... you need to get out more....

Or you are most likely an anarchist....
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yeah yeah i know you're pro cop you authoritarian. :-D jp

They had his skinny ass down 4 big guys to 1. No need to continually hit him with the stick. Let the courts handle the punishment.
 
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Violence in general is unacceptable, but if in self-defense, I support it. The police should not be brutalizing people who are not resisting their interventions; and even if there is resistance, you do not go beyond what is necessary to restrain.

I do, however, support fighting back against police who are detaining people for no reason, as we are seeing in some cases right now. Although the video above of the soccer game is not really a good example of fighting back, it at least shows how powerless the police are when the public supports one another. Sometimes this is necessary in the face of brutalizing power.

The media is barely talking about the Wall Street protests. Almost all sources of primary information right now are coming out of grassroots and first hand reporting of people who are there. It just goes to show whose pocket the media are in. The police have a relatively free hand right now and vigilance is important.
 
jasonxe said:
Well my initial thought was why is the lieutenant (white shirt) always going out of control macing and hitting people? Where I grew up, I never had any use for the police and they constantly hassle people (even kids). You're getting rob, murder, gun shots... police won't come. I wouldn't mind seeing the protesters fight back if they get abused.

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Thanks for sharing your feelings about it! I feel much the same way but I would disagree they should fight back. The purpose of a non-violent violent protest is to actively protest but not commit violence which would be counter-productive to their goals.
 
Is there a political agenda in the police department?
 
jasonxe said:
yeah yeah i know you're pro cop you authoritarian. :-D jp

They had his skinny ass down 4 big guys to 1. No need to continually hit him with the stick. Let the courts handle the punishment.
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What stick?
I saw no stick...
 
Beware of predator drones

@0:16. Guy on the right using a baton (also called a cosh, Paddy wacker, billystick, billy club, nightstick, sap, blackjack, stick) is essentially a club
 
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Jryan said:
Is there a political agenda in the police department?
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Sometimes, but more often its as a bias that you need to be careful. It is you getting caught up in group mentality that you need to be careful of. Take the Wall Street folks. The protesters were told they could march across the Brooklyn Bridge if they stayed on the walkways. But no, they had to walk in the roadways, and block traffic. Guess it was cool, and everyone was doing it. And 70 were arrested.

It could be quite the experience mixing with folks there, talking, maybe hearing a good speaker or two. But watch for the idiot rabble-rousers. Stay smart. Keep your parents proud. ;)
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Sometimes, but more often its as a bias that you need to be careful. It is you getting caught up in group mentality that you need to ba careful of. Take the Wall Street folks. Tey were told they could march across teh Brooklyn Bridge if they stayed on teh walkways. But no, they had to walk in the roadways, and block traffic. Guess it was cool, and everyone was doing it. And 70 were arrested.

It could be quite the experience mixing with folks there, talking, maybe hearing a good speaker or two. But watch for the idiot rabble-rousers. Stay smart. Keep your parents proud. ;)
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Exactly.
For the most part I have no issue with those who are protesting..... its when idiots show up and begin acting like fools, and then the rest follow suit because by this point the protesters have a "Us vs Them" mentality when it comes to the police officers.

Sadly, police officers get accused of being biased FOR whatever cause the protesters are against... in nearly.... every... single.... protest. If that doesn't tell you something about those that are doing the accusing.... I don't know what will.
 
Frolicking Dinosaurs said:
News the violence by law enforcement has apparently gone global. Was just reading an international discussion board taking about an escaped prisoner the FBI located in Portugal:
The gist of the discussion is that Portugal should not return him to the US because the videos of what the police are doing to peaceful protestors and Gitmo prove the US cannot be trusted to give the prisoner even basic human rights. The Portuguese courts have not yet decided if he will be returned to the US or not.
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Maybe we can just drop a bomb on his head.
 
1Perry said:
Maybe we can just drop a bomb on his head.
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Oh No, the board has been hijacked by phony Libertarians who think the Constitution only applies to white people!:2razz:
 
Caine said:
When you and your fellow Officers are outnumbered 500 to 1 you begin to get the cornered cat mentality... and any advance from anyone becomes a threat to your safety in your mind.
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Translation: Cops are irrational and paranoid

I cant blame an officer for wanting to keep the angry crowds back, ESPECIALLY when they refuse to do so as they shout obscenities at you.
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Awww, poor babies. Can't handle name-calling
 
Caine said:
Exactly.
For the most part I have no issue with those who are protesting..... its when idiots show up and begin acting like fools, and then the rest follow suit because by this point the protesters have a "Us vs Them" mentality when it comes to the police officers.

Sadly, police officers get accused of being biased FOR whatever cause the protesters are against... in nearly.... every... single.... protest. If that doesn't tell you something about those that are doing the accusing.... I don't know what will.
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The post you're argreeing was a dishonest one.

The police led the protesters onto the bridge. But cops will lie to protect other cops in...every...single....case. If that doesn't tell you something about cops.... I don't know what will.
 
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