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Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

Phoenix One UK said:
The Wall street protests attracted me, and I raised the subject within number of UK debating forums.

We in the UK are currently protesting for referendum to give the people a referendum of our EU membership (we want to withdraw). We are also protesting the eurozone bailouts, which would include the banks. Needless to say, I was surprised it took you yanks so long to protest against your own contrution to bailouts.

How many here actually agree with US government's $16 trillion bailout of European governments and banks at a time when your own economy possesses problems of its own?
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Hello Phoenix and welcome :) To answer your question, I dont believe you will find one soul to agree that that fiasco...liberal or conservative...now watch someone make a liar out of me..LOL
 
lpast said:
Hello Phoenix and welcome :) To answer your question, I dont believe you will find one soul to agree that that fiasco...liberal or conservative...now watch someone make a liar out of me..LOL
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Seriously? Here is a post I made on 19 September 2011:

Why are they protesting in USA? For those who recall my mentioning the American people would not be happy with USA bailing out Europe to tune of $16 trillion, there you go.

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EU Bailout—Don’t Worry Be Happy

19 September 2011

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If more than $600 billion is not enough for the EU’s share of bailout money from four of the biggest central banks in the world, then you have yourself one big insolvency problem. Once again, the solvency of the entire system is threatened. This is not just an EU bailout. The last global meltdown caused the Federal Reserve to create and hand out $16 trillion. That $16 trillion figure is a solid number. It came from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) compliments of a little provision Senator Bernie Sanders tagged on to last year’s Wall Street reform bill. (Click here for the complete report. This is an outrage!) So, if the U.S. Federal Reserve doled out $16 trillion the last time, how much will stopping this global meltdown cost? We will never know because the GAO Fed audit was an OTO (one-time only.)


European Bank Bailout and EU Bailout: Don
 
Hope you people do not mind my asking a couple questions.

1. Are all posts moderated before being shown on this forum?

2. How long does it usually take from time of posting to time such posting is shown?

I ask this because my second post made is taking its time to show. I find this concerning.
 
Well that one showed up fast enough. What happened to my second post here. Confused! :roll:
 
lpast said:
Hello Phoenix and welcome :) To answer your question, I dont believe you will find one soul to agree that that fiasco...liberal or conservative...now watch someone make a liar out of me..LOL
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Hi Guru. I did not ignore your post, and post #2 was a reply that included a link to $16 trillion mentioned. I suspect it may be the included link that resulted in the post being moderated never to be seen again. I do not recall anything in rules related to links, so I am not sure.
 
The protests are growing.

Wall-Street style demonstrations with names like Occupy Los Angeles, Occupy Chicago, and Occupy Boston were staged in front of Federal Reserve buildings in those cities. A group in Columbus, Ohio, also marched on the capital city's street. And signs of support were rearing up outside the U.S. In Canada, a Wall Street rally is planned for later this month in Toronto.


Wall Street protests continue and grow across the country
 
A Fox News producer and a protester with the Occupy Wall Street Movement had a testy exchange in an interview that didn't make it onto the air.

A member of the movement's media team sent the New York Observer footage of Jesse LaGreca, the protester, politely but pointedly criticizing Fox News, as well as Griff Jenkins, the producer asking him questions. (Fox News has sent several producers and correspondents to the New York encampment; much of the coverage has leaned toward negativity or mockery.)

The video shows Jenkins asking LaGreca if the movement took any cues from the protests in Greece and Europe. "I’d say that we didn’t take our cue leading off of anybody really," LaGreca says. "It became a more spontaneous movement." He then turns his sights on Jenkins, and on Fox News itself.

"It’s fun to talk to the propaganda machine and the media, especially conservative media networks such as yourself, because we find that we can't get conversations for the Department of Justice’s ongoing investigation of News Corporation, for which you are an employee," he says.

"We’re here giving you an opportunity on the record … to put any message you want out there, to give you fair coverage," Jenkins responds. "...You wouldn’t be able to get your message out there without us."

"Take for instance when Glenn Beck was doing his protest and he called the President a person who hates white people and white culture,"LaGreca says. "That was a low moment in Americans’ history and you guys kinda had a big part in it. So, I’m glad to see you coming around and kind of paying attention to what the other 99 percent of Americans are paying attention to."

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lpast said:
The protests are growing.

Wall-Street style demonstrations with names like Occupy Los Angeles, Occupy Chicago, and Occupy Boston were staged in front of Federal Reserve buildings in those cities. A group in Columbus, Ohio, also marched on the capital city's street. And signs of support were rearing up outside the U.S. In Canada, a Wall Street rally is planned for later this month in Toronto.


Wall Street protests continue and grow across the country
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Here is another one published by Forbes, quote:

The Fed's $16 Trillion Bailouts Under-reported

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Sanders press release, dated July 21st, stated:

“No agency of the United States government should be allowed to bailout a foreign bank or corporation without the direct approval of Congress and the president.”

Link: http://www.forbes.com/sites/traceygreenstein/2011/09/20/the-feds-16-trillion-bailouts-under-reported/

Unquote.

Now, the reason this had become the subject of debate within forums I participate in UK is such bailouts of European Governments and banks were hidden. Further, when I and others informed the people we were laughed at and ridiculed until one by one we proved our arguments to be true. On reading some posts here, I suspect the same to be happening in USA. It appears the general population don't even know the extent their own governments bailouts of those mentioned, and at a time when your own economy is experiencing difficulties.

The Wall Street protests have much in common with many protests in Europe, and there is even a Spanish column of protestors marching on Brussels gathering protestors from other member states as they go, and they are protesting the extent of EU austerity measures imposed not to mention the greed and corruption of the banks (does any of this sound familiar). There is much more to this, but that would take the focus away from your own people's fight, and that is the last thing I want to do.
 
VanceMack said:
Just the right type of face for 'the movement' (couldnt be a more appropriate name). A straight up ideological whore.
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Uhh arent we all "ideological whores"
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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From OccupyWallStreet:
#OCCUPYWALLSTREET is a people powered movement for democracy that began in America on September 17 with an encampment in the financial district of New York City. Inspired by the Egyptian Tahrir Square uprising and the Spanish acampadas, we vow to end the monied corruption of our democracy … join us! We're now in DAY 15.

06 Sept
Does the American Left have the guts to pull this off?
What will happen this Saturday when thousands of us descend on Lower Manhattan and start walking towards Wall Street?

If the police try to stop us, how will we respond?"

Does this put anything in context?
 
petaluna said:
From OccupyWallStreet:
#OCCUPYWALLSTREET is a people powered movement for democracy that began in America on September 17 with an encampment in the financial district of New York City. Inspired by the Egyptian Tahrir Square uprising and the Spanish acampadas, we vow to end the monied corruption of our democracy … join us! We're now in DAY 15.

06 Sept
Does the American Left have the guts to pull this off?
What will happen this Saturday when thousands of us descend on Lower Manhattan and start walking towards Wall Street?

If the police try to stop us, how will we respond?"

Does this put anything in context?
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Uhh what "context"?
Is this supposed to be "bad rhetoric or something"?
 
Councilman said:
It figures that you would watch MSNBC and Rachel Maddow. She is about a left as one can be.

Stop watching propaganda and you will see real news.

By the way from a comment by someone reporting on the protesters it seems they all need a shower.

Maybe they will keep acting up and get a shower from a water cannon.

The ones who were arrested need to face jail time.
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I suspect the men with Washington at valley forge were fairly ripe.

These people are taking their lives in their hands going against the basic American worship of mammon.
 
1Perry said:
Seems to me that it's about spoiled rich kids wanting attention. As I said way back, there needs to be a protest of Wall Street and their co-conspirators in D.C. but nobody is going to take those who I accurately described in my earlier post seriously.

Someone thinks that people are going to rally around this but unlike so many protesting the rest of the country actually has to work and doesn't have time to pay attention.

If this was to work you would have to get people willing to pull their money out of these banks. You would have to find people with real complaints......Not those who wasted 6 years in college having their parents paying for their every need and now are complaining because it's time to get a life and the easy life isn't there for them.

Nobody believes the dweeb in the scarf is having it rough because of Wall Street.



I've not seen any real goals. Now the discussion that guns are the solution doesn't do a thing for the arguement of gun rights, but I most certainly would like to punch the little rich kid wearing the scarf and overcoat.

Find some people who have actually been harmed and isn't argueing for the very solutions that caused many of the things they say they are against.
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On my way home from my office I had NPR on and the reporter was interviewing two 20 something kids who were part of this protest. Talk about rambling disjointed psychobabbling nonsense. One was whining about being able to pay off his college debts. Of course the reporter didn't ask him WTF he was majoring in but I suspect he wasn't a phi beta kappa in engineering from Cornell or RPI. The other one was going on and on about the"rich" and then claiming "We aren't anti wealth" but the top 1% can outvote the rest of us.


hard to take those morons seriously
 
Okay......this is the left with it's typical reaction.......chaos.....for which they will blame everyone else except themselves.....especially the Police...........for doing their job trying to keep a city of 8 million people from coming to a grinding halt.......and to hell with the residents and workers, or the old or sick who are now in grid lock......so a bunch of latter day hippies (some of them millionaires) can mill around and feel smug.
 
haymarket said:
I suspect the men with Washington at valley forge were fairly ripe.

These people are taking their lives in their hands going against the basic American worship of mammon.
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More like a bunch of whiners who want a piece of Mammom for themselves.

or bored losers who want something to do to make themselves feel as if they matter
 
TurtleDude said:
More like a bunch of whiners who want a piece of Mammom for themselves.

or bored losers who want something to do to make themselves feel as if they matter
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Turtle this is going to get bigger I believe...its already spread to other cities if you scroll up I provided a link...
This is more organized than I at first thought....they have goals and demands...which are worth nothing at this point..
 
TurtleDude said:
More like a bunch of whiners who want a piece of Mammom for themselves.

or bored losers who want something to do to make themselves feel as if they matter
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Turtle one thing you need to do man...you need to try and understand that there are many people hurting..I realize you dont know that pain..but it very real for many and im not talking about the societies dirtbags..im talking about people that always got out of bed and went to work everyday....cant get a job..no more unemployment and have kids to feed...can you even try to put yourself in their shoes...listen, believe this...there are GOOD americans that worked every day of their lives...that have lost everything, they have nothing to show for years of work
You do realize millions have lost their homes and everything they have right ? You do realize the american dream is DEAD suspended right now, not for you and not for your buddies..but for the majority of americans.....you cant blame your usual beatboys for that ...Unions, public workers etc....turtle you really need to step down and really take a look around and being honest and admitting the rich and corporations have alot of blame in all this....being so stonewall thats it everyeone elses fault makes you look small...and I know your smarter than that.
 
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“For years, too many Wall Street executives made imprudent and dangerous decisions seeking profits with too little regard for risk, too little regulatory scrutiny, and too little accountability."

This Obama quote is typical of his attitude towards Wall Street and US corporations in general and now these “spontaneous” demonstrations break out. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence and the white house has nothing to do with it. I’m sure it’s not an attempt to motivate his base which has been disheartened by the fact that we are still in Iraq and Afghanistan and Gitmo is still open and the economy sucks. There’s no way this could be orchestrated by the white house, the DNC or any other pro Obama group. :lol:
 
This Obama quote is typical of his attitude towards Wall Street and US corporations in general and now these “spontaneous” demonstrations break out. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence and the white house has nothing to do with it. I’m sure it’s not an attempt to motivate his base which has been disheartened by the fact that we are still in Iraq and Afghanistan and Gitmo is still open and the economy sucks. There’s no way this could be orchestrated by the white house, the DNC or any other pro Obama group.
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This occupation is equally critical of Obama.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
“For years, too many Wall Street executives made imprudent and dangerous decisions seeking profits with too little regard for risk, too little regulatory scrutiny, and too little accountability."

This Obama quote is typical of his attitude towards Wall Street and US corporations in general and now these “spontaneous” demonstrations break out. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence and the white house has nothing to do with it. I’m sure it’s not an attempt to motivate his base which has been disheartened by the fact that we are still in Iraq and Afghanistan and Gitmo is still open and the economy sucks. There’s no way this could be orchestrated by the white house, the DNC or any other pro Obama group. :lol:
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I don't know, man. Its not like that's really a Democrat or liberal only belief.

When the financial game of musical chairs finally ended, we were the ones left standing.

But it was Wall Sts game that went south.
 
washunut said:
Simple question. What good does driving up demand for foreign made products, does that add jobs in AMERICA???
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Kind of a non sequitur comment but I'll play. It matters not. One is not tied or the cause of the other. Regardless of where the supply is coming from it's all for naught if there is no demand for that supply. So a comment based on pumping up why we need our jobs back in the US has pretty much no bearing on the fact that demand builds and drives an economy.
 
Right. You are telling me that there was no demand for a more portable phone and internet connection? The iPhone is nothing but the "better mousetrap" you learn in econ 101. There is always a demand for a better mousetrap.
 
Give this dude a bullhorn!!

 
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TurtleDude said:
On my way home from my office I had NPR on and the reporter was interviewing two 20 something kids who were part of this protest. Talk about rambling disjointed psychobabbling nonsense. One was whining about being able to pay off his college debts. Of course the reporter didn't ask him WTF he was majoring in but I suspect he wasn't a phi beta kappa in engineering from Cornell or RPI. The other one was going on and on about the"rich" and then claiming "We aren't anti wealth" but the top 1% can outvote the rest of us.


hard to take those morons seriously
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Give me a mic and a camera and the ability to edit and I can make any crowd sound anyway you want them to. To the MSM has not appeared to have been interested in the protests. So are the protests not good for business from a news point of view? I doubt that is the issue. MSM equals one of 4 mega corporations. Perhaps the early word was to downplay or even spike the stories. Now they decided to cover it a little bit. We have already seen a new bias in reporting the facts. It maybe MSM is going for the clueless slant on the story. MSM can portray the protest honestly or they can slant it. What you think corporate head would prefer?

There are older and retired people at the protest, there are homeless people, students, employed, unemployed, well educated and not so well educated. There are conservatives and liberals. If the MSM, which actually has done little to cover the protests, continually aired quotes from the erudite and the well spoken, those of you who support Wall Street would have been moaning about the "elitists".

Most certainly Wall Street/Corporations or the US Government (not that there is a difference anymore) have loads of plants in the mix. I know I keep mentioning it, but misdirection and subtrefuge are just a couple more tools in Corpgov's black art kit. One, there are many, of the ways to mitigate the efforts of the protesters is to use agents provocateur to discredit the movement. I've said it and What if has said it, and a few others have said it - Nothing in MSM and beyond is without purpose and the purpose is often deceit. Mass communication, mass deceit, control of the masses.

Some of the people to be interviewed can easily have been pre-selected or positioned. There is no doubt in my mind the protesters are now infested with people who have been sent to defuse the protest in any number of ways. Playing stupid would be a start. If that doesn't work they have plans A, B and C ready to discredit the effort.
 
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