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Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

DashingAmerican said:
Would love for someone to point out ONE way that I am responsible to anyone but myself.
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I would suspect the more liberal members here would say you are responsible by proxy and by law. You're tax money goes to support those who are less fortunate by fiat. You may not be PERSONALLY responsible for anyone but yourself by choice, but by proxy you do support all the welfare, all the entitlements all the bad ideas and policies and bad laws that this country has implemented since it began and will continue to do so until you either denounce and leave or die.
 
Catawba said:
So your plan is to just wish things were the way you wanted them to be for you personally? Good plan! LOL!
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For the most part, things are the way I want them to be, personally. So you're right. It is a good plan.
 
Ockham said:
I would suspect the more liberal members here would say you are responsible by proxy and by law. You're tax money goes to support those who are less fortunate by fiat. You may not be PERSONALLY responsible for anyone but yourself by choice, but by proxy you do support all the welfare, all the entitlements all the bad ideas and policies and bad laws that this country has implemented since it began and will continue to do so until you either denounce and leave or die.
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That doesn't mean I'm responsible for them. It just means the gov is in the business of making people think that they can't make it on their own and thus try to make people like me feel guilty.
 
Bardo said:
Private schooling is great for those who can afford it. I wouldn't necessarily abolish it, as long as everyone has access to free school I don't see why wealthy families couldn't pay the money to send their kids to private schools.
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Private schooling is expensive because of how it is treated by society.

Likewise with health care, as long as everyone has access to free care, I don't see why wealthy patients couldn't pay for private care.
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Its not free. I pay for it. Its better to create a system where everyone can afford care than to claim that possibility doesn't exist so you force others to pay for what someone else needs for themselves.
 
Rough Rider said:
Libertarians believe every man is an island.
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You are competely useless in this thread, you know. Say something with some truth behind it or leave.
 
DashingAmerican said:
For the most part, things are the way I want them to be, personally. So you're right. It is a good plan.
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You seem to do a lot of bitchin' and moaning for someone who thinks things couldn't be any better. Regardless though, I am glad you are happy to have only fractional support for your positions!
 
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Catawba said:
You seem to do a lot of bitchin' and moaning for someone who thinks things couldn't be any better. Regardless though, I am glad you are happy to have only fractional support for your positions, I am happy about that too!
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My fractional support is still more support than you have for your positions.

I only bitch because people like you think I owe them something.
 
haymarket said:
Most likely you and I are polar opposites on the political spectrum. And the funny thing is that I agree since I too believe in responsibility and I think people should take care of themselves.

I also think people should eat right, exercise, go to bed early, stay in shape, get educated, be frugal, only have kids when you are ready for them and them love them with all your heart body and soul, be constructive members of the community, and all those other things that make for a rather conservative lifestyle.

I also realize that I am not GOD and cannot make all those things reality.
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Except you would use government to force people to eat what you want and not eat what you don't in form of taxes and bans.

As libertarians we don't try to make any of those things a reality. We let people do what they want with all that stuff. We merely promote a system to allow it happen if a need and want exists.
 
DashingAmerican said:
That doesn't mean I'm responsible for them. It just means the gov is in the business of making people think that they can't make it on their own and thus try to make people like me feel guilty.
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You're economically responsible and forced to pay however the politicians and legal system say. It's the follow the money scenario - what part of your income taxes, fees, state taxes, property taxes are diverted to give support to policies? You really have no choice other than maybe becoming a homeless person or joining a Buddhist Monastery where you have no possessions, no job and nothing to pay. Totally fall off the grid and then you are only responsible for yourself.
 
Ockham said:
You're economically responsible and forced to pay however the politicians and legal system say. It's the follow the money scenario - what part of your income taxes, fees, state taxes, property taxes are diverted to give support to policies? You really have no choice other than maybe becoming a homeless person or joining a Buddhist Monastery where you have no possessions, no job and nothing to pay. Totally fall off the grid and then you are only responsible for yourself.
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On this term I will agree.
 
DashingAmerican said:
My fractional support is still more support than you have for your positions.

I only bitch because people like you think I owe them something.
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My positions won the the majority of support in the last presidential election. You know, the one where the Libertarian candidate won 0.4% of the vote.
 
Catawba said:
My positions won the the majority of support in the last presidential election. You know, the one where the Libertarian candidate won 0.4% of the vote.
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haha you keep bringing up that like I give a damn. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THE LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE WAS!

And ever since the last elections democrats have been losing positions all over.
 
DashingAmerican said:
haha you keep bringing up that like I give a damn. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THE LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE WAS!

And ever since the last elections democrats have been losing positions all over.
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It's an attempt to marginalize your view points and political lean by showing how insignificant those who call themselves "Libertarians" are when compared to the rest of the public and him. It's a common tactic and logical fallacy... you see, you just don't matter nor does your opinions. At least, that's what Catawba was implying.


As for me, I find myself more drawn to Libertarian ways of thinking, instead of throwing all into the hive drone mentality.
 
Ockham said:
It's an attempt to marginalize your view points and political lean by showing how insignificant those who call themselves "Libertarians" are when compared to the rest of the public and him. It's a common tactic and logical fallacy... you see, you just don't matter nor does your opinions. At least, that's what Catawba was implying.
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Oh, I know what he was doing. I'm right because I am the majority, well the majority thought the world was flat too.
 
DashingAmerican said:
Would love for someone to point out ONE way that I am responsible to anyone but myself.
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He probably really believes that too. Unfortunate that there are so many Americans who are responsible for him.
 
Rough Rider said:
My sincere apologies to Bardo; I had no idea there were any left of center Libertarians left. I thought they had all been co-opted by the recent flood of GOP refugees.
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No worries, it's a common mistake. Although I wouldn't exactly call my myself left of center, the center is a barely visible dot on the horizon from my view point ;)

DashingAmerican said:
Would love for someone to point out ONE way that I am responsible to anyone but myself.
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1.You are a member of society.

You enjoy the services provided by our society and you have to help maintain them.


Henrin said:
Private schooling is expensive because of how it is treated by society.
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Go on...

Its not free. I pay for it. Its better to create a system where everyone can afford care than to claim that possibility doesn't exist so you force others to pay for what someone else needs for themselves.
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Yeah, I pay for it too. It's free in the sense that you're not billed for your visit. You're not going to go broke or be denied service depending on which products you happen to own or not. Extravagant health care coverage is a privilege, go crazy with it. However, basic health care is a necessity and should be granted by any civilized society.
 
Rough Rider said:
He probably really believes that too. Unfortunate that there are so many Americans who are responsible for him.
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So in other words you have nothing. Thanks for your contribution, or lack there of.
 
Henrin said:
You are competely useless in this thread, you know. Say something with some truth behind it or leave.
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I'm sure you what the real truth is.
 
Bardo said:
No worries, it's a common mistake. Although I wouldn't exactly call my myself left of center, the center is a barely visible dot on the horizon from my view point ;)



1.You are a member of society.

You enjoy the services provided by our society and you have to help maintain them.




Go on...



Yeah, I pay for it too. It's free in the sense that you're not billed for your visit. You're not going to go broke or be denied service depending on which products you happen to own or not. Extravagant health care coverage is a privilege, go crazy with it. However, basic health care is a necessity and should be granted by any civilized society.
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I haven't enjoyed any services provided.
 
Catawba said:
My positions won the the majority of support in the last presidential election. You know, the one where the Libertarian candidate won 0.4% of the vote.
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Just think if they were allowed in the debates and the ballot process didn't stop every third party that exists to be mainstream.
 
Bardo said:
Go on...
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Go on with what? Its expensive because the government has a system and the private schooling therefore is treated as special.


Yeah, I pay for it too. It's free in the sense that you're not billed for your visit. You're not going to go broke or be denied service depending on which products you happen to own or not. Extravagant health care coverage is a privilege, go crazy with it. However, basic health care is a necessity and should be granted by any civilized society.
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Necessities are needs and are not the business of government. The governments business is to protect your rights and liberties. If you need something you its in your interest to buy it. I on the other hand am not interested if you get what you need and have no reason to buy it.
 
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DashingAmerican said:
I haven't enjoyed any services provided.
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So you personally built and paid for every road you use, you personally police your neighborhood, you personally keep other nations from invading your house, you would personally put out your housefire and rescue yourself if you were trapped? Did you go to private school? Do you use a GPS? Do you watch satellite tv? Do you drink clean water? Breathe clean air?
 
DashingAmerican said:
So in other words you have nothing. Thanks for your contribution, or lack there of.
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My guess is that in the grand scheme of things my contribution to this country is far greater than anything someone like you could even begin to understand.
 
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