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Insiders: GOP Would Be Better Off With Romney for 2012

Insisting on nothing but tax cuts for the rich and corporations and stripping all entitlements and stating no one has a right to a pension or health benefits and attacking public workers as overpaid and attacking unions as socialists and refusing to compromise is far right...but i think you know that :)

You forget they rhetorically want tax cuts for *everybody*, which also happens to include the rich and the corporations. Rhetorically they are for streamlining entitlements, not stripping all entitlements. They do attack many public workers as overcompensated in benefits more often than being overpaid in terms of strict salary (though that happens from time to time as well). Unions are often compared to socialism by them, or at least seen as misguided, but formerly useful entities. There is rhetoric for refusing to compromise, but that's not really far right so much as it is being stubborn and/or being confident in your hand.
 
Insisting on nothing but tax cuts for the rich and corporations and stripping all entitlements and stating no one has a right to a pension or health benefits and attacking public workers as overpaid and attacking unions as socialists and refusing to compromise is far right...but i think you know that :)

I think you know that this is just **** you made up. That hardly counts. If I say that you have sex with your dog, that makes it so?
 
You forget they rhetorically want tax cuts for *everybody*, which also happens to include the rich and the corporations. Rhetorically they are for streamlining entitlements, not stripping all entitlements. They do attack many public workers as overcompensated in benefits more often than being overpaid in terms of strict salary (though that happens from time to time as well). Unions are often compared to socialism by them, or at least seen as misguided, but formerly useful entities. There is rhetoric for refusing to compromise, but that's not really far right so much as it is being stubborn and/or being confident in your hand.

I disagree they want huge tax cuts for the rich and corporations, they want to abolish the inheritance tax and the capital gains tax and they want to pay for that by taking off the working class and middleclass and poor....and that is precisely what teaparty elected govs in Nov have done in their states.....
 
I think you know that this is just **** you made up. That hardly counts. If I say that you have sex with your dog, that makes it so?

Actually what im starting to know is everything you disagree with is just bull**** in your mind...evidently everything you dont like to hear has been made up.

Perry every teaparty gov...Pig Christie, Rick Scott, Scott Walker, John Kasich....rolled into office gave tax cuts to either corporations or the wealthy or BOTH and then categorically attacked their state workers and took from them...in the case of walker all he took from his workers went for his tax cuts NOTHING went to deficit reduction
Paul Ryans plan attacked social security and medicare and medicaid.....put huge copays in play that scaled and got higher..lowered benefits raised retirement age..and in the SAME BILL...it gave a whopping 28% reduction in corporate taxs and ONLY the top bracket richest americans...it abolished the capitol gains and Abolished the inheritance tax...it supposedly cut some tax loopholes but the cbo said it didnt cut the deficit anywhere near what he said...it was a candy store bill for the rich at the expense of the middleclass workers and the poor..
 
I find this surprising...considering all the banter from the right that Romney is a Rino


Texas Gov. Rick Perry may be surging in polls of Republican primary voters, but his party's Insiders aren't convinced he'd be the best general election candidate. More than two-thirds of Republican Insiders say Mitt Romney has a better chance than Perry of defeating President Obama in 2012, according to this week's National Journal Political Insiders Poll.


Insiders: GOP Would Be Better Off With Romney for 2012 - Hotline On Call

Wel, duh! Romney has a real chance of winning the election, should he be able to get past the religious nutters on the extreme fringe of the Republican Party and get the nomination. The mainstream voters simply aren't going to want to vote for Bachmann or Perry.

Huntsman is another one who would have a shot at winning the election, and might actually make a good president, if he can get past the "RINO" label and win the nomination.
 
and they want to pay for that by taking off the working class and middleclass and poor....and that is precisely what teaparty elected govs in Nov have done in their states.....

They want to do that huh? Nothing has come across my way of wanting to take from those who aren't rich. Our state hasn't done this, and we apparently were apart of those changes.
 
Wel, duh! Romney has a real chance of winning the election, should he be able to get past the religious nutters on the extreme fringe of the Republican Party and get the nomination. The mainstream voters simply aren't going to want to vote for Bachmann or Perry.

Huntsman is another one who would have a shot at winning the election, and might actually make a good president, if he can get past the "RINO" label and win the nomination.


I agree and I think your starting to see traditional republicans pushing back on the teaparty...the teaparty has no chance at long term survival inow thats only my opinion
 
I agree and I think your starting to see traditional republicans pushing back on the teaparty...the teaparty has no chance at long term survival inow thats only my opinion

Not if the best they can come up with are Bachmann, Perry, Palin, and Gingrich, no they won't last long.

Now, if they could come up with some sane candidates who had realistic ideas for cutting back the size and power of the federal government (that is what they're supposed to stand for, isn't it?) then they just might become a real power in US politics.
 
Actually what im starting to know is everything you disagree with is just bull**** in your mind...evidently everything you dont like to hear has been made up.

You made a statement with nothing to back it up. Even when called on it you still provide nothing. Yes, that is dismissable.

Perry every teaparty gov...Pig Christie, Rick Scott, Scott Walker, John Kasich....

Real quick here. Kasich has little to do with the Tea Party. I have little complaints with Walker BUT he won the straw poll in 2007 even BEFORE there was a Tea Party. This is generally what most people do. Whenever a politician does something they dislike they scream "TEA PARTY TEA PARTY TEA PARTY".

rolled into office gave tax cuts to either corporations or the wealthy or BOTH and then categorically attacked their state workers and took from them...in the case of walker all he took from his workers went for his tax cuts NOTHING went to deficit reduction

O.K. again, nothing but accusations.

Paul Ryans plan attacked social security and medicare and medicaid.....put huge copays in play that scaled and got higher..lowered benefits raised retirement age..and in the SAME BILL...it gave a whopping 28% reduction in corporate taxs and ONLY the top bracket richest americans...it abolished the capitol gains and Abolished the inheritance tax...it supposedly cut some tax loopholes but the cbo said it didnt cut the deficit anywhere near what he said...it was a candy store bill for the rich at the expense of the middleclass workers and the poor..

Attacked? These programs must be reformed. We have no choice. This is an example of being extreme? Facing fiscal facts is extreme? Perhaps you do believe so. So did many others to get us 10 trillion dollars in debt.
 
Not if the best they can come up with are Bachmann, Perry, Palin, and Gingrich, no they won't last long.

Here we go again.....Gingrich has had little to nothing to do with the Tea Party. Matter of fact, he's slammed them. Facts seems to mean little to those who simply want to attack.
 
You made a statement with nothing to back it up. Even when called on it you still provide nothing. Yes, that is dismissable.



Real quick here. Kasich has little to do with the Tea Party. I have little complaints with Walker BUT he won the straw poll in 2007 even BEFORE there was a Tea Party. This is generally what most people do. Whenever a politician does something they dislike they scream "TEA PARTY TEA PARTY TEA PARTY".



O.K. again, nothing but accusations.



Attacked? These programs must be reformed. We have no choice. This is an example of being extreme? Facing fiscal facts is extreme? Perhaps you do believe so. So did many others to get us 10 trillion dollars in debt.

Perry walker, rick scott...christie were teaparty FAVORITES...kasich ill give you because im not sure...but he certainly picked up their mantra..
I dont want to pound this horse forever...because its opinion yours and mine...and I stand by mine and im sure you stand buy yours.
If the teaparty wasnt to the right of the republican party as a whole...they wouldnt be the minority in the gop...t
 
Here we go again.....Gingrich has had little to nothing to do with the Tea Party. Matter of fact, he's slammed them. Facts seems to mean little to those who simply want to attack.


Your right the teaparty considers Gingrich a rino and not right ENOUGH...rofl...gingrich the man considered to be far right his whole career and attacked for being far right....isnt far right enough for the teaparty...now thats funny
 
Perry walker, rick scott...christie were teaparty FAVORITES...kasich ill give you because im not sure...but he certainly picked up their mantra..
I dont want to pound this horse forever...because its opinion yours and mine...and I stand by mine and im sure you stand buy yours.
If the teaparty wasnt to the right of the republican party as a whole...they wouldnt be the minority in the gop...t

Ah.....To the right? That's a completely different accusation and even then not true. How is taking a position that the government had no business giving investment banks that created this mess billions of dollars a "far right" position?

Before it was done it would have been a position that liberals would have taken.
 
Your right the teaparty considers Gingrich a rino and not right ENOUGH...rofl...gingrich the man considered to be far right his whole career and attacked for being far right....isnt far right enough for the teaparty...now thats funny

But to my point.......people just throw all sorts of accusations, true or not and scream "TEA PARTY, TEA PARTY"
 
I'm still looking at Perry, but I know I'll never vote for Romney. He's a moderate in the worse sense of the word. No core values or convictions and willing to do whatever it takes to get elected.

Not to mention, I'm not sure he's that great of a candidate as far as "electability" goes. The base doesn't like the guy. Period. And I'm not sure he's all that appealing to moderates and independents, other than being somene not named Obama. He's not particularly charismatic. Romney might beat Obama due to being a fairly boring, unobjectionable candidate facing an incumbent who hasn't lived up to expectations. Then again, running a blah sack of crap and saying he's not the other guy didn't work for the Democrats in '04 despite all the baggage Bush had.

Perry may be polarizing, but at least he inspires passion.
 
But to my point.......people just throw all sorts of accusations, true or not and scream "TEA PARTY, TEA PARTY"

The Tea Party is a reactionary populist movement consisting of people who push blame for things that are their own fault onto other segments of the American polity. They respond to (and therefore are manipulated by) provocative symbolism, as opposed to reasoned, impartial discussion. In other words, they are a super concentrated version of the same vices (hypocrisy and ignorance) that have lead the United States astray for decades.

How they feel about issues doesn't matter much when they don't have the disciplined thinking and behavior necessary to make effectual reform occur.

Wanting to limit the size of government when the government is the largest non-profit employer in a troubled economy (and one of the few interested in paying salaries that support the incomes necessary to support a middle class) risks causing more trouble than your solving, but the Tea Party isn't restrained by that fact.
 
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The Tea Party is a reactionary populist movement consisting of people who push blame for things that are their own fault onto other segments of the American polity. They respond to (and therefore are manipulated by) provocative symbolism, as opposed to reasoned, impartial discussion. In other words, they are a super concentrated version of the same vices (hypocrisy and ignorance) that have lead the United States astray for decades.

A paragraph without really saying anything. I could say the same of you and alone it would be as valid.

How they feel about issues doesn't matter much when they don't have the disciplined thinking and behavior necessary to make effectual reform occur.

I guess you weren't paying attention to the debt ceiling debate.

Wanting to limit the size of government when the government is the largest non-profit employer in a troubled economy (and one of the few interested in paying salaries that support the incomes necessary to support a middle class) risks causing more trouble than your solving, but the Tea Party isn't restrained by that fact.

Ah , yes, there we go. They dislike your sacred cow.
 
Here we go again.....Gingrich has had little to nothing to do with the Tea Party. Matter of fact, he's slammed them. Facts seems to mean little to those who simply want to attack.

Not if the best they can come up with are Bachmann, Perry, and Palin, no they won't last long.

There. Better now?
 
Not if the best they can come up with are Bachmann, Perry, and Palin, no they won't last long.

There. Better now?

Perry is ahead of Obama in the polls.
 
The Tea Party is a reactionary populist movement consisting of people who push blame for things that are their own fault onto other segments of the American polity. They respond to (and therefore are manipulated by) provocative symbolism, as opposed to reasoned, impartial discussion. In other words, they are a super concentrated version of the same vices (hypocrisy and ignorance) that have lead the United States astray for decades.

How they feel about issues doesn't matter much when they don't have the disciplined thinking and behavior necessary to make effectual reform occur.

Wanting to limit the size of government when the government is the largest non-profit employer in a troubled economy (and one of the few interested in paying salaries that support the incomes necessary to support a middle class) risks causing more trouble than your solving, but the Tea Party isn't restrained by that fact.

Who do you think is the cause for the creation of the Tea Party? The politics and fiscal policies of Barack Obama. Most Americans don't want to spread the wealth and feel like they contribute enough to federal taxes. The Tea Partiy is not corporate America. They are Americans simply tired of seeing the budget increased by trillions of dollars in a few short years.

The Tea Party are Americans that endorse limited government, reduced government spending, limited burdensome taxation, and reduction of the national debt. They also believe in the original interpretation of the Constitution. Call them crazy, right?

Have you ever thought about how revenue is created for government jobs? The government gets back about 7-8 K in federal income tax on a $50 K job, creating a $42,000 - $43,000 deficit. Sure that individual will spend and help stimulate the economy, but how much will go back to the government in taxes? Where does that revenue come from? Tax payers. Government jobs are very costly and certainly aren't self-sustaining. This is simple math and simple economics. Money doesn't grow on trees.
 
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Who do you think is the cause for the creation of the Tea Party? The politics and fiscal policies of Barack Obama. [...]
I would venture that the color of Barack Obama, and bigotry in general, is a more reliable foundation. To wit:

Polls have also examined Tea Party supporters' views on race and racial politics. The University of Washington poll of registered voters in Washington State found that 74% of Tea Party supporters agreed with the statement "[w]hile equal opportunity for blacks and minorities to succeed is important, it's not really the government's job to guarantee it", while a CBS/New York Times poll found that 25% think that the administration favors blacks over whites, compared with just 11% of the general public, and that they are more likely to believe Obama was born outside the United States.[74][80][81] A seven state study conducted from the University of Washington found that Tea Party movement supporters within those states were "more likely to be racially resentful" than the population as a whole, even when controlling for partisanship and ideology.[82][83] Of white poll respondents who strongly approve of the Tea Party, only 35% believe that blacks are hard-working, compared to 55% of those strongly opposed to the Tea Party, and 40% of all respondents.[84][85] However, analysis done by ABC News' Polling Unit found that views on race "are not significant predictors of support for the Tea Party movement" because they are typical of whites who are very conservative.[86][87]

A University of Washington poll of 1,695 registered voters in the state of Washington reported that 73% of Tea Party supporters disapprove of Obama's policy of engaging with Muslim countries, 88% approve of the controversial immigration law recently enacted in Arizona, 82% do not believe that gay and lesbian couples should have the legal right to marry, and that about 52% believed that "lesbians and gays have too much political power".[80][81] More than half (52%) of Tea Party supporters told pollsters for CBS/New York Times that they think their own "income taxes this year are fair".[74] Additionally, a Bloomberg News poll found that Tea Partiers are not against increased government action in all cases. "The ideas that find nearly universal agreement among Tea Party supporters are rather vague," says J. Ann Selzer, the pollster who created the survey. "You would think any idea that involves more government action would be anathema, and that is just not the case."

Tea Party movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Μολὼν λαβέ;1059775818 said:
The Tea Party are Americans that endorse limited government, reduced government spending, limited burdensome taxation, and reduction of the national debt. They also believe in the original interpretation of the Constitution. Call them crazy, right?
In light of the quoted material above, I would instead call your argument a repetition of popular myth. However, I would call this particular Tea Partier (I presume), and her fans, crazy (video from 7-22-2009): Flag-waving attendee @ Mike Castle town hall wants "her" country back - YouTube
 
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Who do you think is the cause for the creation of the Tea Party? The politics and fiscal policies of Barack Obama.

It started because of the policies of Bush. Obama was president at the time that they got the publicity but it was because of policies enacted under Bush. Obama supported those actions but being that Bush signed them, they fall in is lap.

Many people refused to vote for McCain because of his support for these policies also.
 
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