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Voters See These ‘Corporate Welfare’ Programs As A Good Place To Cut Government Spend

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So you support those corporate welfare programs?

Gee, and I thought the teabaggers were all about opposing corporate welfare

1. I never said I affiliated with the tea party.
2. Using stupid terminology makes you look stupid. Consider that.
3. I never said I support "corporate welfare", but I did say that I do not support discriminatory tax code, which this bill would have created. You should oppose discriminatory tax code too, but from what I've seen all you care about is taxing the crap out of business and "the rich" without providing any real justification for why other than the old, worn out, "they can afford it/they deserve it, etc".
4. When you decide you want to have an intellectually honest, fair debate using facts and evidence to support your claims, and when you decide you want to debate maturely without the use of stupid insultory language and hyperbole, you let me know. Until then the idiocy is back on ignore.
 
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And so you support all of them? Just the 1 specific tax credit? Or the other four?

Fnny how it's impossible to get a rightwinger to state their support for repealing any corporate welfare. When asked, All we get is blather

No the problem with this legislation is that it is selective punishment/discrimination.
Only being done because oil companies aren't popular.

Kinda like the attacks on corporate welfare to Planned Parenthood.
 
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Those aren't "big oil subsidies."
They are tax credits that all businesses get to take.

Why target one industry for the elimination?

Simply because they DONT NEED IT...they are the richest industry in this country that NEVER loses a dime...and everytime the jack the price through the roof they break their last profit record...thats why. They are so full of cash they gave a ceo a 400 million retirement package...wth are we giving them additiona tax credits and subsidies for...while the teaparty wants to cut working americans intestines out...something really stinks
 
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Simply because they DONT NEED IT...they are the richest industry in this country that NEVER loses a dime...and everytime the jack the price through the roof they break their last profit record...thats why.

Why stop at oil companies, why not go after every industry that has "record profits?"
You listen to too many politicians, seeing your use of the "record profits" line.
 
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Congress is looking for sizable spending cuts in the months ahead, and voters see three so-called “corporate welfare” programs as potential candidates for the chopping block - farm subsidies, aid to large corporations to promote export sales and funding to help other countries buy U.S.-made weapons.


All the things the teapary never talks about...if it doesnt have social security or medicare or tax cuts for the rich...its not on their table


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I'm more concerned about government welfare.
 
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I'm more concerned about government welfare.


Im sure you are...but im not...govt welfare helps indviduals that dont have anything to dont have much and programs like SS and medicare that working people pay into all their lives...

Big oil never loses a penny...they raise the price their profits soar...they gouge us they break records...Im very surprised an intelligent fella like you cant see the difference and I mean that sincerely....who needs it who is stealing
 
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Simply because they DONT NEED IT...they are the richest industry in this country that NEVER loses a dime...and everytime the jack the price through the roof they break their last profit record...thats why. They are so full of cash they gave a ceo a 400 million retirement package...wth are we giving them additiona tax credits and subsidies for...while the teaparty wants to cut working americans intestines out...something really stinks

Apple's Q2 profits broke records and were higher than the Q2 profits for most oil companies. Want to go after Apple as well? Their products are about 250% higher in cost than their PC counter parts.
 
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Im sure you are...but im not...govt welfare helps indviduals that dont have anything to dont have much and programs like SS and medicare that working people pay into all their lives...

Big oil never loses a penny...they raise the price their profits soar...they gouge us they break records...Im very surprised an intelligent fella like you cant see the difference and I mean that sincerely....who needs it who is stealing

Oil companies don't set the price. The markets do. Government has subsidized those markets. You want lower oil prices and profits? Cut off these subsidies to Wall Street.
 
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Why stop at oil companies, why not go after every industry that has "record profits?"
You listen to too many politicians, seeing your use of the "record profits" line.


I agree lets go after all of them that are making tons of money and stop the madness...however, lets do a comparison ok ? Lets take big oil and big farms both get subsidies......big farms do not have the luxury of driving their prices through the roof to gouge us...lets use pears and spinach...if big farms decide to gouge us with the price of those two they will FAIL...pears and spinach will rot on the shelves and people will buy apples and broccoli. We as consumers have alternative sources and choices to buy food....now lets take big oil....they have ZERO competition...there are no alternatives...people MUST buy gas and oil to heat their homes....When big oil raises the prices when it gets to the 3.50 to 4.00 mark usage drops by 2-6% yet they break PROFIT records and give their ceos 400,000,000 retirement packages thats to use turtledudes terminology the money of all americans including the parasites feeding the pigs at the trough.
When big oil gouges us its not just oil that goes up..they cripple us with higher electric costs, the cost of carpets goes sky high any product made with petroleum goes through the roof..local govts put tax surcharges because of fuel costs for govt vehicles..like MINE DOES..garbage haulers put surcharges because of the cost of fuel...lets really get into the PAIN for the peasants....FOOD PRICES SOAR cost of running farm machinery and harvesting and SHIPPING costs...the costs of shipping goes through the roof....harry come on man...im all for capitolism and I do not believe in socialism...but I also believe that THEIVES AND CROOKS should be behind bars...just because your a corporation does not give you the righ to "F" the entire country in every aspect of their lives for GREED...sorry buddy we part company on big oil they are ROBBING every working american in this country every single day....the funny part is they are robbing the taxpayers that are doing all the whining about the PARASITES robbing them while the defend the corporate parasites....theres a big divide in this country thats going to get alot wider...and in the end...I predict the 15% rich are going to lose this battle, they have gone to far
 
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I agree lets go after all of them that are making tons of money and stop the madness...however, lets do a comparison ok ? Lets take big oil and big farms both get subsidies......big farms do not have the luxury of driving their prices through the roof to gouge us...lets use pears and spinach...if big farms decide to gouge us with the price of those two they will FAIL...pears and spinach will rot on the shelves and people will buy apples and broccoli. We as consumers have alternative sources and choices to buy food....now lets take big oil....they have ZERO competition...there are no alternatives...people MUST buy gas and oil to heat their homes....When big oil raises the prices when it gets to the 3.50 to 4.00 mark usage drops by 2-6% yet they break PROFIT records and give their ceos 400,000,000 retirement packages thats to use turtledudes terminology the money of all americans including the parasites feeding the pigs at the trough.
When big oil gouges us its not just oil that goes up..they cripple us with higher electric costs, the cost of carpets goes sky high any product made with petroleum goes through the roof..local govts put tax surcharges because of fuel costs for govt vehicles..like MINE DOES..garbage haulers put surcharges because of the cost of fuel...lets really get into the PAIN for the peasants....FOOD PRICES SOAR cost of running farm machinery and harvesting and SHIPPING costs...the costs of shipping goes through the roof....harry come on man...im all for capitolism and I do not believe in socialism...but I also believe that THEIVES AND CROOKS should be behind bars...just because your a corporation does not give you the righ to "F" the entire country in every aspect of their lives for GREED...sorry buddy we part company on big oil they are ROBBING every working american in this country every single day....the funny part is they are robbing the taxpayers that are doing all the whining about the PARASITES robbing them while the defend the corporate parasites....theres a big divide in this country thats going to get alot wider...and in the end...I predict the 15% rich are going to lose this battle, they have gone to far

People aren't buying stock in pear and spinach futures, artificially fixing the price. But that happens with oil. It isn't as cut and dry as "competition".
 
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I agree lets go after all of them that are making tons of money and stop the madness...however, lets do a comparison ok ? Lets take big oil and big farms both get subsidies......big farms do not have the luxury of driving their prices through the roof to gouge us...lets use pears and spinach...if big farms decide to gouge us with the price of those two they will FAIL...pears and spinach will rot on the shelves and people will buy apples and broccoli. We as consumers have alternative sources and choices to buy food....now lets take big oil....they have ZERO competition...there are no alternatives...people MUST buy gas and oil to heat their homes....When big oil raises the prices when it gets to the 3.50 to 4.00 mark usage drops by 2-6% yet they break PROFIT records and give their ceos 400,000,000 retirement packages thats to use turtledudes terminology the money of all americans including the parasites feeding the pigs at the trough.
When big oil gouges us its not just oil that goes up..they cripple us with higher electric costs, the cost of carpets goes sky high any product made with petroleum goes through the roof..local govts put tax surcharges because of fuel costs for govt vehicles..like MINE DOES..garbage haulers put surcharges because of the cost of fuel...lets really get into the PAIN for the peasants....FOOD PRICES SOAR cost of running farm machinery and harvesting and SHIPPING costs...the costs of shipping goes through the roof....harry come on man...im all for capitolism and I do not believe in socialism...but I also believe that THEIVES AND CROOKS should be behind bars...just because your a corporation does not give you the righ to "F" the entire country in every aspect of their lives for GREED...sorry buddy we part company on big oil they are ROBBING every working american in this country every single day....the funny part is they are robbing the taxpayers that are doing all the whining about the PARASITES robbing them while the defend the corporate parasites....theres a big divide in this country thats going to get alot wider...and in the end...I predict the 15% rich are going to lose this battle, they have gone to far

Paying for fuel has never really been a problem for me. :shrug:

Pears and spinach don't get the freebies like, corn, soy and wheat do.
Everyone is "greedy" no one is exempt.
Don't selectively go after one group, when you are just as "greedy" as they are.
 
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People aren't buying stock in pear and spinach futures, artificially fixing the price. But that happens with oil. It isn't as cut and dry as "competition".

Thats true tess the panhandling traders run the price per barrel up....but explain this to me please...If it was just the price of a barrel then it would be the arabs and traders making RECORD profits...explain to me how the price of gas goes up...USAGE goes down and big oil breaks another profit record...dont be conned tess...the traders and the barrel price rising is just the vehicle for big oil to raise prices through the roof and gouge our eyes out..
 
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Paying for fuel has never really been a problem for me. :shrug:

Pears and spinach don't get the freebies like, corn, soy and wheat do.
Everyone is "greedy" no one is exempt.
Don't selectively go after one group, when you are just as "greedy" as they are.

Thats a cold naive statement harry...paying for fuel has never been a problem for YOU...nor me what about the walmart workers...and look you blew my entire post off ...you didnt acknowledge or debunkt a single point I made....no matter what lipstick you put on that pig...BIG OIL ROBS US in every aspect of our lives when they gouge us at the pump...and all you conservative teapartiers ...have no problem with big oil robbing you..but you loathe for a poor person to get a nickle....this is one of the things that made me say screw the republican party
 
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Thats true tess the panhandling traders run the price per barrel up....but explain this to me please...If it was just the price of a barrel then it would be the arabs and traders making RECORD profits...

They are.

explain to me how the price of gas goes up...USAGE goes down and big oil breaks another profit record...dont be conned tess...the traders and the barrel price rising is just the vehicle for big oil to raise prices through the roof and gouge our eyes out..

Indeed. It doesn't cost more to remove a barrel of oil when the prices go up. (at least not equally so). If your conspiracy theories held any water they oil companies would just charge $6.00 a gallon for gas.

Cut off the subsidies to Wall Street and prices will fall along with profits.
 
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Thats true tess the panhandling traders run the price per barrel up....but explain this to me please...If it was just the price of a barrel then it would be the arabs and traders making RECORD profits...explain to me how the price of gas goes up...USAGE goes down and big oil breaks another profit record...dont be conned tess...the traders and the barrel price rising is just the vehicle for big oil to raise prices through the roof and gouge our eyes out..

I don't think it's that cut and dry. Profits on oil are ridiculous all around, but speculators and OPEC have a lot to do with that. Look at how rich the Saudis are.
 
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The vote wasn't for 1 or 2 or part of the deduction/tax credit terminations. It was for all of them. The bill didn't give you the option to cherry pick. You either vote to discriminate against an industry through the tax code, or you don't. You either open the government up for an expensive lawsuit over 1/365th of our yearly budget, or you don't.

I am asking YOU which YOU support.

You don't get to vote for legislation in Congress. I'm just asking, since you claim to be against welfare and big govt, which of those corporate welfare programs you would support ending. Not surprisngly, all I got in response was blather
 
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I don't think it's that cut and dry. Profits on oil are ridiculous all around, but speculators and OPEC have a lot to do with that. Look at how rich the Saudis are.

I agree tess profits are high all around....but were talking about giving BIG OIL free money...just tossing all the american parasites food money at big oil just cuz..
Tess you havent explained to me...how, when big oil raises the price at the pump sky high...and usages goes down...they break profit records...now please explain to me how they arent ROBBING every single american including the parasites that can afford it the least..
The teapartiers on here that rail on and on about parasitic poor americans getting a pittance for free...and senior on SS that they paid into for decades have NO Problem with big oil robbing them and driving the cost of EVERYTHING sky high...I cant compute that much hypocrisy sorry tess...
 
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1. I never said I affiliated with the tea party.
2. Using stupid terminology makes you look stupid. Consider that.

No, you're not "affilated" with the teabaggers. You just defend them in your posts

3. I never said I support "corporate welfare", but I did say that I do not support discriminatory tax code, which this bill would have created. You should oppose discriminatory tax code too, but from what I've seen all you care about is taxing the crap out of business and "the rich" without providing any real justification for why other than the old, worn out, "they can afford it/they deserve it, etc".

I don't see you saying which of those programs you would support ending. Once again, the rightwingers are great at making big claims about opposing spending and big govt, but when it comes time to actually cutting these programs, all we get is blather instead of seeing them actually oppose any of these corporate welfare programs.


4. When you decide you want to have an intellectually honest, fair debate using facts and evidence to support your claims, and when you decide you want to debate maturely without the use of stupid insultory language and hyperbole, you let me know. Until then the idiocy is back on ignore.

When you actually state your support for ending any corporate welfare programs, then I'll believe that your claims to being opposed to corporate welfare are honest. So far, in spite of several links describing several welfare programs for corps, I have yet to see you state opposition to any one of them.
 
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No the problem with this legislation is that it is selective punishment/discrimination.
Only being done because oil companies aren't popular.

Kinda like the attacks on corporate welfare to Planned Parenthood.

SO you still won't state which programs you oppose? I guess that means you oppose ending the oil depletion allowance because it targets one industry, and you oppose ending the others because it doesn't target one industry
 
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Why stop at oil companies, why not go after every industry that has "record profits?"
You listen to too many politicians, seeing your use of the "record profits" line.

So do you support eliminating tax credits and subsidies to every profitable industry, or are the rightwingers willing to do nothing more than pay lip service to the idea of ending corporate welfare?
 
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Im sure you are...but im not...govt welfare helps indviduals that dont have anything to dont have much and programs like SS and medicare that working people pay into all their lives...

Big oil never loses a penny...they raise the price their profits soar...they gouge us they break records...Im very surprised an intelligent fella like you cant see the difference and I mean that sincerely....who needs it who is stealing

Don't fall for the rightwing word games. Corporate welfare *IS* govt welfare.
 
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Apple's Q2 profits broke records and were higher than the Q2 profits for most oil companies. Want to go after Apple as well? Their products are about 250% higher in cost than their PC counter parts.

So do you support or oppose ending corporate welfare for Apple?

Funny how the rightwingers love to claim how they oppose welfare and govt involvement in the economy, but they never can say if they oppose any welfare programs that subsidize corporations
 
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Paying for fuel has never really been a problem for me. :shrug:

Pears and spinach don't get the freebies like, corn, soy and wheat do.
Everyone is "greedy" no one is exempt.
Don't selectively go after one group, when you are just as "greedy" as they are.

So do you support ending govt subsidies and tax credits for corn, soy or wheat farmers? Yes or no?
 
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Don't fall for the rightwing word games. Corporate welfare *IS* govt welfare.


Of course it is and its the Hypocrisy of my fellow conservatives that drove me away from them....oh giving rich and greedy money just because they want it...is perfectly fine and defensible ....giving money to an individual that needs it...is another parasite sucking the richs blood....BULL S
 
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Thats a cold naive statement harry...paying for fuel has never been a problem for YOU...nor me what about the walmart workers...and look you blew my entire post off ...you didnt acknowledge or debunkt a single point I made....no matter what lipstick you put on that pig...BIG OIL ROBS US in every aspect of our lives when they gouge us at the pump...and all you conservative teapartiers ...have no problem with big oil robbing you..but you loathe for a poor person to get a nickle....this is one of the things that made me say screw the republican party

And, more importantly, for all their blather, the rightwingers STILL haven't identified any specific corporate welfare programs that they think should be ended
 
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