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Unions coming to China ???

1Perry said:
And televisions and refrigerators were made in the U.S. When the vast majority of cars were built in the U.S.

Unfortunately we do not live in such a small world any longer. As to a point just above this one, I agree, people have a right to join together in a common cause if they want to. Making unions illegal would be as wrong as saying that people can't come together to have their political say.

Much like every topic here, people want to blame one side for everything. Rarely is that the case. Sometimes unions are right and sometimes like forcing GM to keep idled workers on the clock, they are wrong. The big picture problem is all sides only thinking that "more" is the answer.
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This is one of the most fairest and truest posts ive read on this forum...
 
So I look at this in a couple of different ways...either it could prevent corporations from shipping as many jobs overseas (good). It would increase the price of many retailers whos products are made from China(bad), it could increase the prices of products and corporations could still send jobs that way, since it ultimately may still be cheaper (really bad). Thoughts?
 
lpast said:
Thats what I meant...be interesting if wages and benefits rise in china...what our corporations are going to do when their products get to high to produce along with the cost of shipping...
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Shipping by sea is extremely cheap, so that isn't an issue. I think that if China started to evolve its working conditions and allowing workers the ability to argue contract, they'd find some other country out there without those laws to offshore to.
 
Ikari said:
Shipping by sea is extremely cheap, so that isn't an issue. I think that if China started to evolve its working conditions and allowing workers the ability to argue contract, they'd find some other country out there without those laws to offshore to.
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Already occuring

Clothing manufacturers are leaving Eastern/Coastal China as costs are too high. They are moving to places like Vietnam or central/western China. Wages in eastern China are increasing fairly rapidly
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Already occuring

Clothing manufacturers are leaving Eastern/Coastal China as costs are too high. They are moving to places like Vietnam or central/western China. Wages in eastern China are increasing fairly rapidly
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Yep, a friend of mine does a lot of bhsiness over there and he said increasing wages being implemented to avoid problems with income equality are already driving jobs out of China to Vietnam and Malaysia.

Race to the bottom.
 
celticwar17 said:
Now China is a country that actually needs unions.... much like the U.S. needed them less then a century ago.
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people who think that unions are no longer needed in the states will find out soon what happens when they don't exist. unfortunately, so will those who actually support workers having perks like weekends and benefits.
 
people who think that unions are no longer needed in the states will find out soon
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What do you mean "soon"? The attack on workers started happening decades ago and we've already seen deep cuts for working people to "save the rich from being persecuted" or whatever the **** those morons argue nowadays.
 
lpast said:
Maybe...the working class won this one...they fought an unhealthy work environment and won...thats how and why unions are in America....


Protests force Chinese factory to close - FT.com
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This is awesome news. I wish the UAW and Teamsters the best of luck in China. Hopefully China will benefit as much as we have. Basket weavers making $30/hr will be good for China.
 
lpast said:
That is the truth...that of course you wont here from the greedsters....Im old enough to remember when a man could have a job that actually put a roof over his familes head, put food on the table and provided enough for them to have a car and live decently...then it went to a man and a wife could get jobs that allowed them to live decently...now its a man and a wife working cant pay their bills...its disgusting greed...
So many americans are under employed and cant pay their bills....the rich better watch what they wish for...when americans dont earn enough to buy their junk and stop paying their bills and stick it to them...the only ones that will be getting rich are the sleazy personal bankruptcy lawyers
The rich will never admit it...but corporations and the rich that run them are killing america and draining the blood out the majority of americans
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While I agree largely with what you said I do not feel unions are the answer. I suppose you could consider me anti -big business and anti - union. Both are self serving entities that are in the business for profit at the expense of whomever they can bend to their wills. If we were to remove one or the other the remaining power would destroy the working class, either by lowering wages and benefits to unlivable levels or raising the cost to operate to the point no employment is remaining. We see both cases now but they do to an extent keep each other in check. I believe it is we the consumer that can make a stand and refuse to support greedy companies/unions by refusing to join or purchase their products when they are not preforming in a way that best benefits our society. The problem is the general public has grown complacent and largely tend to ignore the situation unless it directly involves them. I remember when "made in america" had become a popular theme that had swept the country but has since become largely forgotten. People tend to have little interest in how/where/what circumstances they are receiving said service/product and its more about what I can get for the $$. Until we can change this view we are going to continue to lose what previous generations had.
 
Baralis said:
The problem is the general public has grown complacent and largely tend to ignore the situation unless it directly involves them.
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So, you have discovered the fundamental flaw in libertarianism, congratulations perhaps a change of signature is in order.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
So, you have discovered the fundamental flaw in libertarianism, congratulations perhaps a change of signature is in order.
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All systems are flawed obviously, but I prefer the least intrusive system possible. I also believe the people would more inclined to participate if they felt it actually made a difference which I feel libertarianism could help accomplish. When you feel powerless against a large government system it can be very discouraging.
 
All systems are flawed obviously, but I prefer the least intrusive system possible. I also believe the people would more inclined to participate if they felt it actually made a difference which I feel libertarianism could help accomplish. When you feel powerless against a large government system it can be very discouraging.
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The reason you're wrong is because "consumer" is basically an empty term, meaning that "consumers" have no common interest to advance, meaning that the entire idea of libertarianism based on "consumer power" falls apart as it is unrealistic.
 
Baralis said:
While I agree largely with what you said I do not feel unions are the answer. I suppose you could consider me anti -big business and anti - union. Both are self serving entities that are in the business for profit at the expense of whomever they can bend to their wills. If we were to remove one or the other the remaining power would destroy the working class, either by lowering wages and benefits to unlivable levels or raising the cost to operate to the point no employment is remaining. We see both cases now but they do to an extent keep each other in check. I believe it is we the consumer that can make a stand and refuse to support greedy companies/unions by refusing to join or purchase their products when they are not preforming in a way that best benefits our society. The problem is the general public has grown complacent and largely tend to ignore the situation unless it directly involves them. I remember when "made in america" had become a popular theme that had swept the country but has since become largely forgotten. People tend to have little interest in how/where/what circumstances they are receiving said service/product and its more about what I can get for the $$. Until we can change this view we are going to continue to lose what previous generations had.
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When your dollars are dropping, what you can get for your dollars is very important. Chinese products are very good. Remind me of USA products from the 89s and 90s. Outlaw Unions and Outlaw Corporations. Let's get back in the small real business mode. Hell, Outlaw banks over a certain size. Get rid of too big to fail. It's easy to identify many grievances, but solutions are the key.
 
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