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What The UK Riots Mean For Bookstores

cpwill said:
those people are basically feral humans. I'll admit, I have no real solution to their presence in society.
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I do

it starts with the second amendment and good gun handling skills
 
TurtleDude said:
I do

it starts with the second amendment and good gun handling skills
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I was thinking attrition - install conservative social policies, then tolerate the punks till they drop dead. But, yeah, your way is more efficient.
 
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LuckyDan said:
I was thinking attrition - install conservative social policies, then tolerate the punks till they drop dead. But, yeah, your way is more efficient.
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We've got the first part, but the second isn't coming naturally to this government. Tolerance isn't on their radar, let alone agenda.
 
LuckyDan said:
I was thinking attrition - install conservative social policies, then tolerate the punks till they drop dead. But, yeah, your way is more efficient.
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What exactly is "conservative social policies"?

You do realise that the problems that in part are responsible for this mess are due to former conservative governments, and especially Maggie Thatcher and the the great conservative British Empire and before that ...
 
PeteEU said:
What exactly is "conservative social policies"?

You do realise that the problems that in part are responsible for this mess are due to former conservative governments, and especially Maggie Thatcher and the the great conservative British Empire and before that ...
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No, I don't.
 
Grant said:
What nonsense! LOL!

Here's the real skinny!

Mark Steyn: Lessons for us from London in flames | london, want, book - Opinion - The Orange County Register
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Excellent piece. I haven't finished reading but I have to post this quote:

One-tenth of the adult population has done not a day's work since Tony Blair took office on May 1, 1997.
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Finished it now. Gotta quote this.

This is the logical dead end of the Nanny State. When William Beveridge laid out his blueprint for the British welfare regime in 1942, his goal was the "abolition of want" to be accomplished by "co-operation between the State and the individual." In attempting to insulate the citizenry from life's vicissitudes, Sir William succeeded beyond his wildest dreams. As I write in my book: "Want has been all but abolished. Today, fewer and fewer Britons want to work, want to marry, want to raise children, want to lead a life of any purpose or dignity." The United Kingdom has the highest drug use in Europe, the highest incidence of sexually transmitted disease, the highest number of single mothers, the highest abortion rate. Marriage is all but defunct, except for William and Kate, fellow toffs, upscale gays and Muslims
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cpwill said:
otoh, sales of baseball bats (as Britian's citizenry is banned from defending itself with any kind of actual 'weapon' - you could hurt the rioter or rapist, doncha know) seems to have skyrocketed.
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baseball bats? Are you sure it wasn't cricket bats???
 
Yeah, PeteEU is absolutely correct of course. People don't just riot for the heck of it one sunny Sunday afternoon on their way from bunch to a crouquet match or whatever... They riot when they are beyond frustrated by the abuse they've been getting from the system. The UK is the only country in the world with a wider rich/poor gap and lower intergenerational income mobility that the US has. That is why people are so frustrated, and I don't think anybody would seriously deny that those problems are the product of conservative politics. If you push people too far, you take too much advantage of them, you concentrate all the country's GDP in the hands of too few people, etc, eventually the people snap. That isn't news. Everybody has known that forever. Greenspan warned the GOP not to push any further or they would risk creating a full blown revolution back early in the Bush years. The GOP pushed further anyways. We didn't see a revolution obviously, but at some point that line does get crossed. The UK isn't there yet either, but the riot is a clear indication that they are getting close. Ultimately the people won't tolerate feudalism regardless of whether it is rationalized in religious language like it was in the middle ages or economic theories that are clearly designed just to benefit the rich like "trickle down" and whatnot.
 
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teamosil said:
Yeah, PeteEU is absolutely correct of course. People don't just riot for the heck of it one sunny Sunday afternoon on their way from bunch to a crouquet match or whatever... They riot when they are beyond frustrated by the abuse they've been getting from the system. The UK is the only country in the world with a wider rich/poor gap and lower intergenerational income mobility that the US has. That is why people are so frustrated, and I don't think anybody would seriously deny that those problems are the product of conservative politics. If you push people too far, you take too much advantage of them, you concentrate all the country's GDP in the hands of too few people, etc, eventually the people snap. That isn't news. Everybody has known that forever. Greenspan warned the GOP not to push any further or they would risk creating a full blown revolution back early in the Bush years. The GOP pushed further anyways. We didn't see a revolution obviously, but at some point that line does get crossed. The UK isn't there yet either, but the riot is a clear indication that they are getting close. Ultimately the people won't tolerate feudalism regardless of whether it is rationalized in religious language like it was in the middle ages or economic theories that are clearly designed just to benefit the rich like "trickle down" and whatnot.
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one of the 'tards arrested by the constables apparently is the daughter of a multi millionaire. the london riots are a symptom of what happens when honest people are disarmed. If that crap happened where I live, the riot would have lasted until the first 'tard tried chucking a molotov cocktail and caught a 5.56 in the snout
 
TurtleDude said:
one of the 'tards arrested by the constables apparently is the daughter of a multi millionaire. the london riots are a symptom of what happens when honest people are disarmed. If that crap happened where I live, the riot would have lasted until the first 'tard tried chucking a molotov cocktail and caught a 5.56 in the snout
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Tough guy talk coming from gun owners always strikes me as silly. You can't argue that you need to carry around a gun to feel safe in the same streets that my grandmother walks unarmed and at the same time pretend like you're some kind of tough guy...
 
teamosil said:
Tough guy talk coming from gun owners always strikes me as silly. You can't argue that you need to carry around a gun to feel safe in the same streets that my grandmother walks unarmed and at the same time pretend like you're some kind of tough guy...
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studies have demonstrated that those who whine about guns tend to be cowards and guns remind them of their inadequacies.
 
LuckyDan said:
Excellent piece. I haven't finished reading but I have to post this quote:



Finished it now. Gotta quote this.

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It's a shame that the right wing has the correct solutions, in my view, yet they're represented by such intellectually bankrupt people in the media. So the British welfare state is responsible for the UK having all these social problems at a level that makes the rest of the EU blush, even though most of them are more left-wing and are bigger welfare states than the UK itself?

I used to think leftists were either stupid or dishonest. I'm afraid the same applies to prominent RW commentators like Mr. Steyn.
 
Travelsonic said:
I gotta wonder how these riots are affecting, or if they are affecting at all, tourism, and flights in / out of these areas in the U.K where riots are going on.
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I'm sure we'll be treated to the 'effects' on the economic recovery by the co-alition very soon. At the latest round of excuses for slow recovery such laughable reasons as the Royal Wedding were blamed so I'm sure the Riots will provide a similar excuse.

In answer to your question, although it may look to an outsider that England was indeed up in flames but its actually, geographically, not covering that large an area. Every City that was afflicted most only had pockets of trouble. Though i do agree in Manchester especially, the Town Centres were worst affected. In London the 'main' tourist areas were pretty much unaffected. Believe me places like Peckham are not necessarily on the tourist radar.

Paul
 
I liked this part of the article:

OCRegister.com said:
As part of my promotional efforts, I chanced to find myself on a TV show the other day with an affable liberal who argued that what Obama needed to do was pass another trillion-dollar – or, better yet, multi-trillion – stimulus. I think not. The London rioters are the children of dependency, the progeny of Big Government: they have been marinated in "stimulus" their entire lives. There is literally nothing you can't get Her Majesty's Government to pay for. From page 205 of my book:

"A man of 21 with learning disabilities has been granted taxpayers' money to fly to Amsterdam and have sex with a prostitute."

Hey, why not? "He's planning to do more than just have his end away," explained his social worker. "Refusing to offer him this service would be a violation of his human rights."

Why do they need a Dutch hooker? Just another hardworking foreigner doing the jobs Britons won't do? Given the reputation of English womanhood, you'd have thought this would be the one gig that wouldn't have to be outsourced overseas.
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Mark Steyn: Lessons for us from London in flames - Orange County Register
 
gunner said:
I'm sure we'll be treated to the 'effects' on the economic recovery by the co-alition very soon. At the latest round of excuses for slow recovery such laughable reasons as the Royal Wedding were blamed so I'm sure the Riots will provide a similar excuse.

In answer to your question, although it may look to an outsider that England was indeed up in flames but its actually, geographically, not covering that large an area. Every City that was afflicted most only had pockets of trouble. Though i do agree in Manchester especially, the Town Centres were worst affected. In London the 'main' tourist areas were pretty much unaffected. Believe me places like Peckham are not necessarily on the tourist radar.

Paul
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The British media were immediately very hard on Canada's Winter Games in Vancouver and without reason. They apologized later for jumping the gun but I know their harsh coverage brought a lot of negative attention here. I don't see how the UK can be so anti American, and in this case anti Canadian, and then expect business as usual.
 
Gardener said:
People are born on the dole and they die on the dole, and as long as they are provided for there is no incentive to change their frame of mind which is inherited from one generation to the next -- namely, that education and accomplishment is to be mocked, attempts to better oneself constitutes selling out to da Man, and that society somehow OWES it to them for various ill-defined reasons. It is the sense of entitlement that precipitated the reaction, as they act out when any of that largesse is restricted.

Why read books when all your peeps ridicule you for doing so?
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Behind the London riots a multitude of causes | euronews, world news

What started as a local protest mushroomed out of control as outsiders, via social networks and mobile phones, realised there was looting to be done as an overstretched police could not be everywhere at once. As word got round robbery and rioting flared in other areas of the capital as mainly young masked people cashed in on the chaos.

So much for the purely criminal aspects, but many say other underlying causes of the riots are poor parenting, unemployment, poor job prospects, austerity cuts removing many support mechanisms, especially for the young, and poverty denying a generation the electronic gadgets and clothes it has been persuaded are essential to be somebody.
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It is through self-education and motivation can one easily bring themselves out of impoverishment. It is interesting therefore that these riots, which the left wing labeled as a "protest against conservatism," have not targeted these book stores which, more than anythings, represents the income divide.

Perhaps self-advancement is more than the looters came for -- free stuff at the expense of social welfare. It depresses me to find that the left believes that the solution to this dilemma is to have the Brittish government pay its own citizens to not behave like violent animals as if there is no such thing as personal responsibility.
 
Pinu7 said:
It is through self-education and motivation can one easily bring themselves out of impoverishment. It is interesting therefore that these riots, which the left wing labeled as a "protest against conservatism," have not targeted these book stores which, more than anythings, represents the income divide.

Perhaps self-advancement is more than the looters came for -- free stuff at the expense of social welfare. It depresses me to find that the left believes that the solution to this dilemma is to have the Brittish government pay its own citizens to not behave like violent animals as if there is no such thing as personal responsibility.
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Exactly. They'll be bribing them not to riot, to not do further harm to the city and country.

The government can give these people everything but dignity and self respect.
 
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