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New polls confirm Obama's Democratic base crumbles

Yep, that pretty much sums it up for me. Having read up on Obama before the election, I already knew he was a pragmatic centrist. Problem was, the only credible opponent was even worse.

And judging by the potential candidates so far, Obama will once again be the lesser of evils in 2012.

It always boils down to a choice, one over the other. It would be nice to have the perfect candidate, but regardless of some of the claims here, it really is about picking one over the other, even if we don't like either choice all that much.
 
Just wanted to point out to the OP... that if you look at the greater arc of the past 10 years or so, we have first seen the Republicans become increasingly disillusioned and distant from the GOP, especially the moderates. In the last election we actually saw Republicans not voting for lack of choice and walking away feeling ashamed of what their party was offering up.

Now, if what you're suggesting is true, the same thing is happening to the Democrats. A lot of people voted for Obama because he was sort of the last hope and he seemed promising. Now further dreams have been dashed.

Instead of turning this into a one-up on your opposition, I think it would be more worthy to acknowledge what a sad day it is when Americans, regardless of party, have lost faith in the political system. It shouldn't be this way. We should have pride in our political process, and there should be at least one candidate that people can identify with.

Our government and its successive administrations are failing us miserably, and it is totally depressing to have to acknowledge it.
 
It always boils down to a choice, one over the other. It would be nice to have the perfect candidate, but regardless of some of the claims here, it really is about picking one over the other, even if we don't like either choice all that much.

Your post made me think of who I would consider an ideal candidate. I think maybe it would be someone that was a cross between Ron Paul on foreign policy, FDR on domestic policy, and Paul Krugmann on the economy.

Seen anyone like that around? If not, I'm going to be stuck with voting for Obama again. :sun
 
John Stossel's recent street interviews showed that a majority of people have no clue about what is going on in Gov. and yet they vote and participate in polls that are reported as being meaningful.
It shows the power of headlines and late night talk shows. For many people, that's all the exposure they get.
 
Hell the way the GOP is handling this Debt thing without compromise, Im ready to vote for Obama. Boehner is making an ass out of the GOP. They dont look strong.... they look like fools.
There's a side that's compromising? LOL.

Up until recently you had the GOP saying "we won't agree to anything that raises taxes" and Obama saying "I hope people can check their ultamatums at the door and stop the partisan posturing... and oh yeah, "we won't agree to anything that doesn't raise taxes."
 
Your post made me think of who I would consider an ideal candidate. I think maybe it would be someone that was a cross between Ron Paul on foreign policy, FDR on domestic policy, and Paul Krugmann on the economy.

Seen anyone like that around? If not, I'm going to be stuck with voting for Obama again. :sun
Isn't that Dennis Kucinich or Bernie Sanders?
 
I salute the GOP for fighting Obama, tooth and nail, on the budget. Memories of the 'nuclear option', by which the Democrats passed Obamacare, demand revenge. NO GOP COOPERATION WITH OBAMA, PERIOD.

And thus the reason why Obama is blameless in the current situatiion.. It is more important for the GOP to not cooperate with the dems than it is to simply do the job they were constitutionally supposed to do.. Far be it for the GOP to do what is best for the people of this nation.. Anyone care to guess when the GOP will be done spreading their cheeks for the oil companies or polishing the knob of big business??

So what is it about Obama?? Are republicans just racist or pissed off the Birther thing didn't work?? Maybe they feel calling him a liar during a state of the union will attract voters??

What is happening is that more people are blaming the current issue on republicans.. Can anyone blame them??
 
And thus the reason why Obama is blameless in the current situatiion.. It is more important for the GOP to not cooperate with the dems than it is to simply do the job they were constitutionally supposed to do.. Far be it for the GOP to do what is best for the people of this nation.. Anyone care to guess when the GOP will be done spreading their cheeks for the oil companies or polishing the knob of big business??

So what is it about Obama?? Are republicans just racist or pissed off the Birther thing didn't work?? Maybe they feel calling him a liar during a state of the union will attract voters??

What is happening is that more people are blaming the current issue on republicans.. Can anyone blame them??
Well in ElCid's case he thinks Obama is a Marxist communist trying to destroy America. I still haven't been able to talk him out of it.
 
And thus the reason why Obama is blameless in the current situatiion.. It is more important for the GOP to not cooperate with the dems than it is to simply do the job they were constitutionally supposed to do.. Far be it for the GOP to do what is best for the people of this nation.. Anyone care to guess when the GOP will be done spreading their cheeks for the oil companies or polishing the knob of big business??

So what is it about Obama?? Are republicans just racist or pissed off the Birther thing didn't work?? Maybe they feel calling him a liar during a state of the union will attract voters??

What is happening is that more people are blaming the current issue on republicans.. Can anyone blame them??
Most people don't care about the current issue. They care about $4.00/gallon gas and $5.00 boxes of ice cream.
 
Well in ElCid's case he thinks Obama is a Marxist communist trying to destroy America. I still haven't been able to talk him out of it.
I agree, the part about him being a communist is a bit much.
 
Marxist communist

That's not redundant? Haha. It seems to me that communism is fragmenting, splintering and disintegrating before it finally disappears altogether into the annals of cultural history.


Don't call me a communist! I'm a neo-social-democracy-quasi-Lenin-Trotskyist! Don't you know anything?!

It's like a bug swimming while the toilet flushes.
 
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Isn't that Dennis Kucinich or Bernie Sanders?

Fairly close, but neither were candidates in the 2008 race. Maybe Kucinich was a candidate, but didn't make it through the primary? Are either planning on running against Obama in 2012?
 
That's not redundant? Haha. It seems to me that communism is fragmenting, splintering and disintegrating before it finally disappears altogether into the annals of cultural history.


Don't call me a communist! I'm a neo-social-democracy-quasi-Lenin-Trotskyist! Don't you know anything?!

It's like a bug swimming while the toilet flushes.
Well there are a few non-Marxist communist movements. I don't know much about them and am just going on the Wikipedia article on them, but they either libertarian communists or religious communists.
 
The day America is freed from Obama's oppression and subterfuge will be as magnanimous and historically significant as VE Day and VJ Day. Obama's departure from the White House will be tantamount to the fall of the Soviet Union. For America, Obama has been THE GRIM REAPER.
 
The day America is freed from Obama's oppression and subterfuge will be as magnanimous and historically significant as VE Day and VJ Day. Obama's departure from the White House will be tantamount to the fall of the Soviet Union. For America, Obama has been THE GRIM REAPER.
The ignorance. It burns!
 
The day America is freed from Obama's oppression and subterfuge will be as magnanimous and historically significant as VE Day and VJ Day. Obama's departure from the White House will be tantamount to the fall of the Soviet Union. For America, Obama has been THE GRIM REAPER.
:lamo Funny post, divorced from reality, but funny.
 
He is a liberal... are you going to argue he's a conservative or a libertarian?



I don't think this fools anyone dd.

Obama is center-right. There is very little about him that is liberal, aside from his campaign promises that is
 
"And thus the reason why Obama is blameless in the current situatiion."

Obama isn't 'blameless' on any account. He's a public menace and avowed enemy of Traditional America. No one in American history is more guilty of stabbing the nation in the back than Obama.


"It is more important for the GOP to not cooperate with the dems than it is to simply do the job they were constitutionally supposed to do."

The coup the Democrats staged against The Sheeple, when they rammed through Obamacare, demands vengeance. Communist revolutions will not be tolerated in America. Not here. Not in THIS land. If that's what you want, go to Cuba or North Korea.


"Far be it for the GOP to do what is best for the people of this nation."

What's best for Middle Class America is an anti-Communist crusade. Sure, the growing under-class loves Obama, because he has promised them a nanny-state in which everything will be free. What foolishness.....


"Anyone care to guess when the GOP will be done spreading their cheeks for the oil companies or polishing the knob of big business?"

The day you Demcrats stop race-baiting, stop promising to dissolve America's border with Mexico, stop promising amnesty and free college educations to illegal immigrants, and stop promising the poor crade-to-grave welfare.


"So what is it about Obama?"

Communist. Desperate, frustrated Communist.

"Are republicans just racist or pissed off the Birther thing didn't work?"

Reaching for that Race Card again, eh? You always have it close-by, don't you?

"Maybe they feel calling him a liar during a state of the union will attract voters?"

Obama is a chronic liar. He lies around the clock. America has NEVER had a president who lies as much as Obama. Down with Obama the Liar.

"What is happening is that more people are blaming the current issue on republicans."

Just the growing under-class, that which craves welfare more than anything else.

"Can anyone blame them?"

Just the under-class. Anybody whose loyalty can be bought by welfare doesn't really count.
 
Obama is center-right. There is very little about him that is liberal, aside from his campaign promises that is

Your parents should get a tax-refund for the public education you were supposed to have received. I apologize for The System.
 
Just know this: I WILL GLADLY DIE FIGHTING COMMUNISM. You can have my gun, only when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
 
Just know this: I WILL GLADLY DIE FIGHTING COMMUNISM. You can have my gun, only when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.

Or what you think is communism, either way, works for me! :sun
 
Just know this: I WILL GLADLY DIE FIGHTING COMMUNISM. You can have my gun, only when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.

As long as your tough guy talk stays on the internet, I won't worry.
 
I understand that the hardcore left is losing interest in Obama due to his willingness to compromise with the right, however, at the end of the day, those people, much like the Tea Party people who are pissed off at the GOP for working with Obama, will have no other option than to vote for him or vote for a republican. (We know that ain't never gonna happen.)

The same could be said for the Teabaggers. They can rant and rave and piss and moan all they want but at the end of the day, they will still vote republican, just like the whacko left will still vote democrat.

IMHO I think the difference is that Obama will not energize his base like he did in 08, now that they know who he really is. Let's face it, what has he done for black America and the younger voters that helped get him elected? The Republicans can energize their base as long as they don't choose a loser like McCain to run against him. A competent Republican challenger can run on virtually the same strategy Obama did, hope and change, and disseminate his lies and failures to independents. Before anyone gets angry, here are a few examples of each.

Lies: Transparency (remember the promise about negotiating health care on CSPAN), No lobbyists, Shovel-ready jobs, not to raise taxes on families making less than $250,000, but Obamacare’s individual mandate will.

I think he could lose the election just on the lies he told about health care and the transparency related to the process if the Republican challenger can mount a good campaign.

Failures: Using the Gulf Oil Spill to promote green energy instead of cleaning it up, putting all legislation on the Internet for five days before it comes to a vote, denying the notion of American Exceptionalism, appointing Communists/Socialists/Progressives to his various Czar positions, basically promising that the stimulus would ensure unemployment didn’t exceed 8%, which it has, proposing amnesty for illegal aliens to increase Democrat voters, and the stimulus package in general.
 
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I salute the GOP for fighting Obama, tooth and nail, on the budget. Memories of the 'nuclear option', by which the Democrats passed Obamacare, demand revenge. NO GOP COOPERATION WITH OBAMA, PERIOD.

Now try thinking a little more rationally. Is it really worth it to send everyone down the drain because of a hurt ego?
 
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