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Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

sangha said:
1) I don't see anything in that statement that suggests he was ideologically opposed to raising the debt ceiling. The teabaggers claim their opposition to doing so is based on ideology.

2) I don't care what Obama says, and I don't believe what Obama says

3) You don't believe him either, but you'll quote him as if you do whenever it's convenient for you to do so
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Oh goody. Multiple choice. I choose number two. Doesn't everybody?
 
LesGovt said:
I'm pretty sure that the media was not checking with people who were not part of Congress about other times of lifting the debt ceiling. Most conservatives have never, ever thought that there should be a need to raise the debt ceiling.
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This conservative believes it needs to be lowered, in real terms. Every year from now on.
 
Lasher said:
I prefer spending cuts over tax increases, but I can deal with both.
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Will you be paying increased taxes?
The game is nearly over. My adult daughter finally gets it. She sees that she is paying about 1/3rd of everything she earns to the federal government. It is slavery. If she gets it so do others in her generation. The end of the socialist experiment is coming.
 
Misterveritis said:
Our biggest problem is the one term Marxist president Obama.
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Yes, who cares if you can pay the rent or eat? What's really important is that the President is a Republican!

This is the logic that got the country where it is today. Thanks for being part of the problem!
 
Misterveritis said:
Will you be paying increased taxes?
My adult daughter finally gets it. She sees that she is paying about 1/3rd of everything she earns to the federal government. It is slavery.
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Good for her! She must be making well into six figures to be paying at that rate. A lot of people would would be happy to suffer that kind of slavery.
 
Misterveritis said:
Our biggest problem is the one term Marxist president Obama.
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Do you really think Obama is a Marxist? If so, you must 1) Not know what a Marxist is, or 2) Not realize that Obama is a business-as-usual American politician. I mean, Goldman Sachs was his #1 contributor for crying out loud! Are they Marxist too? Read some Marx... please.
 
nijato said:
Do you really think Obama is a Marxist? If so, you must 1) Not know what a Marxist is, or 2) Not realize that Obama is a business-as-usual American politician. I mean, Goldman Sachs was his #1 contributor for crying out loud! Are they Marxist too? Read some Marx... please.
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It's a really stupid name calling he does, and the only originality to it is he mixes socalism with Marxism from time to time, which is all the more silly.
 
and by cuts we actually mean cuts, or the liberal version of cuts which is to spend more, but less then they want?
 
Boo Radley said:
which is all the more silly
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silly is citing the sydney (australia) morning herald on behalf of school teachers in new york

Buck said:
Yes, I would like it to be much easier and less costly to fire tenured teachers with cause.
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Boo Radley said:
In general, the turnover rate among teachers is significantly higher than for other occupations.1 The fact is, an alarming and unsustainable number of teachers are leaving teaching during their first few years of teaching.

Rookie teachers quitting
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http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...gop-sen-sheila-harsdorf-filed-tuesday-26.html

LOL!
 
AdamT said:
Good for her! She must be making well into six figures to be paying at that rate. A lot of people would would be happy to suffer that kind of slavery.
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Do you believe that your taxes are too low Adam?

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Do you send in more money to the government then?

j-mac
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No, I don't. But I support politicians who would impose higher tax rates uniformly. Paying higher taxes by myself would accomplish nothing.
 
AdamT said:
No, I don't. But I support politicians who would impose higher tax rates uniformly. Paying higher taxes by myself would accomplish nothing.
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I see, so you think you pay too little, and want everyone elses taxes raised, but are unwilling to stroke a check yourself...pfft...I think that shows just how uncommitted to your own argument you are.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
I see, so you think you pay too little, and want everyone elses taxes raised, but are unwilling to stroke a check yourself...pfft...I think that shows just how uncommitted to your own argument you are.

j-mac
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He has already explained why, and he was right. It's a shame that you can only have a point by ignoring what he said. It is cowardly to retreat from his point. Even worse was the way you twisted his words so that you could claim that he said that he wants "everyone elses' taxes raised" when he clearly said he would be happy if his taxes were raised along with everyone elses'
 
j-mac said:
I see, so you think you pay too little, and want everyone elses taxes raised, but are unwilling to stroke a check yourself...pfft...I think that shows just how uncommitted to your own argument you are.

j-mac
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*Sigh*

No, I think that everyone pays too little, and that everyone -- myself included -- should pay more. But I understand that it would be pointless to pay more by myself insofar as it wouldn't even amount to a rounding error in terms of the over all federal budget.

Here is an analogy for your argument: we can save the town if everyone in town gets together and works to put sand bags on top of the levy. But I am the only one in town who has signed on to do the work. Therefore it would be hypocritical for me not to put out the few sand bags I can, even though it would be completely ineffective.

Nonsensical.
 
sangha said:
He has already explained why, and he was right. It's a shame that you can only have a point by ignoring what he said. It is cowardly to retreat from his point. Even worse was the way you twisted his words so that you could claim that he said that he wants "everyone elses' taxes raised" when he clearly said he would be happy if his taxes were raised along with everyone elses'
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Yet he doesn't have the conviction to send in more of his own. See, that is where this quasi socialism breaks down...Everyone else should pay, which is fine until you run out of their money....

More later, I have to hit the road.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Yet he doesn't have the conviction to send in more of his own. See, that is where this quasi socialism breaks down...Everyone else should pay, which is fine until you run out of their money....

More later, I have to hit the road.

j-mac
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Again, you are simply being dishonest. My position is that I, and everyone else, should pay more. Not everyone but me.
 
j-mac said:
Yet he doesn't have the conviction to send in more of his own. See, that is where this quasi socialism breaks down...Everyone else should pay, which is fine until you run out of their money....

More later, I have to hit the road.

j-mac
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Your determination to ignore the facts of what was said can only be explained by your inability to deal with the facts. I guess that even you must know that your argument is weak, so you won't even try to defend it. Instead, you make a weak attempt at offense by twisting what's been said.

But I feel the rightwingers' pain. It must be hard to debate when the facts have a leftwing bias :lol:

BTW, that road you're hitting was built and paid for by the middle class, not the wealthy the rightwingers slavishly dote on
 
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