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Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

Ah, but the evidence is to the contrary. The debt/GNP consistently goes down under Democratic leadership and up on the leadership of the Regressives.

Can we see the hockey stick at the end of that graph for the 2 years Obama has been in office...with democrats controlling both houses of the legislature?

Id also like to point out, under Clinton, the slower debt growth came from republican budgets and under Reagan the increases came from Democrat budgets. Because it is primarily the House that controls spending. But, hey, Obama can take credit for all the increases in regulation, thats something :)
 
Can we see the hockey stick at the end of that graph for the 2 years Obama has been in office...with democrats controlling both houses of the legislature?

Id also like to point out, under Clinton, the slower debt growth came from republican budgets and under Reagan the increases came from Democrat budgets. Because it is primarily the House that controls spending. But, hey, Obama can take credit for all the increases in regulation, thats something :)

Incorrect.

To keep the record straight ~

"Even Ford and Carter did a better job at cutting government. Their combined presidential terms account for an increase of 1.4%—compared with Reagan's 3%—in the government's take of "national income." And in nominal terms, there has been a 60% increase in government spending, thanks mainly to Reagan's requested budgets, which were only marginally smaller than the spending Congress voted."

The Free Market: The Sad Legacy of Ronald Reagan
 
Incorrect.

To keep the record straight ~

"Even Ford and Carter did a better job at cutting government. Their combined presidential terms account for an increase of 1.4%—compared with Reagan's 3%—in the government's take of "national income." And in nominal terms, there has been a 60% increase in government spending, thanks mainly to Reagan's requested budgets, which were only marginally smaller than the spending Congress voted."

The Free Market: The Sad Legacy of Ronald Reagan
OMG, the Mises Institute is Right Wing and they didn't like President Reagan?
 
OMG, the Mises Institute is Right Wing and they didn't like President Reagan?

They hate spending period, and they called a spade a spade. :sun
 
When have the Democrats ever refused to raised the debt ceiling?

What's the point of this question? You want to give Dems a pat on the back?
 
I said this about the tea party

1) they are now and always have been Republicans
2) they would no more start a third party to hurt their precious Republicans than they would vote Democratic

Zyphlin responded with

Factually incorrect. While the numbers may be different now, prior to the 2010 election 40% were independents or Democrats. While a majority of Tea Partiers have been Republicans, the movement has not always been "republicans" period. That's factually incorrect, there's no argument there.

I saw no source for your numbers, but I will provide one that is nationally respected

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/republican-party/tea-party-as-the-republican-pa.html





New York Times/CBS News Poll: National Survey of Tea Party Supporters

In this poll - taken before the 2010 election of November, we found out that
15% of tea party members identified with the Democratic Party
6% were Independent
79% were Republicans with four out of every five of them identifying as "conservative republican".

This shows that you were factually incorrect. These folks are Republican to the core. Lets dispense with this sham that they were this big group of disaffected Dems or Independents and they came together in common purpose.
 
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Id also like to point out, under Clinton, the slower debt growth came from republican budgets and under Reagan the increases came from Democrat budgets. Because it is primarily the House that controls spending. But, hey, Obama can take credit for all the increases in regulation, thats something :)
Looks to me like that trend began before Republicans took control of Congress...

Year ...... Increase in debt from previous year (billions)
1990 ...... 376
1991 ...... 432
1992 ...... 399
1993 ...... 347
1994 ...... 281
1995 ...... 281
1996 ...... 251
1997 ...... 188
1998 ...... 113
1999 ...... 130
2000 ...... 18
2001 ...... 133
2002 ...... 421
2003 ...... 555
2004 ...... 596

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

... and it looks to me that trend ended when Clinton left office, even though Republicans were still in control of the Congress.

hmmm.
 
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Ah, but the evidence is to the contrary. The debt/GNP consistently goes down under Democratic leadership and up on the leadership of the Regressives.

Doesn't Congress pass the bills and budgets? And why does your chart stop with Bush? No data available after 2008?
 
Doesn't Congress pass the bills and budgets? And why does your chart stop with Bush? No data available after 2008?
Yet barring a veto override by the Congress, no bill becomes law without the president's approval.
 
Yet barring a veto override by the Congress, no bill becomes law without the president's approval.

And the bill doesn't get to the President without being passed by two houses of Congress... shall we trade obvious facts some more?
 
And the bill doesn't get to the President without being passed by two houses of Congress... shall we trade obvious facts some more?
Sure, the obvious fact is the president bears the final vote on all bills (again, barring the Congress overriding a veto, for those itchy nitpickers). Of course, you can't hold the president responsible for bills which never make it to his desk, but he is completely responsible for every bill which he does sign.

"The buck stops here." ~ President Harry S. Truman
 
Sure, the obvious fact is the president bears the final vote on all bills (again, barring the Congress overriding a veto, for those itchy nitpickers). Of course, you can't hold the president responsible for bills which never make it to his desk, but he is completely responsible for every bill which he does sign.

"The buck stops here." ~ President Harry S. Truman
Where's my calamine lotion? ;)
 
When have the Democrats ever refused to raised the debt ceiling?

2006. Ever dang one of 'em, including the gentleman from Illinois:

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

He's matured so much since then, hasn't he? Now he's all, "Oh man what was I thinking?"

He had two more chances to vote on the question in 2007 and 2008. He didn't. I think he was out of town or something.
 
Can we see the hockey stick at the end of that graph for the 2 years Obama has been in office...with democrats controlling both houses of the legislature?

I notice liberals arent touching this part of my post. Why not?
 
When will the GOP/Tea Party wise up?

Let's invert that and ask when are the journ-O-lists going to report the news accurately so the nation can wise up?
CURL: Is Obama a pathological liar? - Washington Times

In the weird world that is Washington, men and women say things daily, hourly, even minutely, that they know deep down are simply not true. Inside the Beltway, we all call those utterances “rhetoric.”

But across the rest of the country, plain ol’ folk call ‘em lies. Bald-faced (even bold-faced) lies. Those folks have a tried-and-true way of determining a lie: If you know what you’re saying is patently false, then it’s a lie. Simple.

And lately, the president has been lying so much that his pants could burst into flames at any moment.

His late-evening news conference Friday was a tour de force of flat-out, unadulterated mendacity — and we’ve gotten a first-hand insider’s view of the president’s long list of lies.

“I wanted to give you an update on the current situation around the debt ceiling,” Mr. Obama said at 6:06 p.m. OK, that wasn’t a lie — but just about everything he said after it was, and he knows it.

“I just got a call about a half-hour ago from Speaker [John A.] Boehner, who indicated that he was going to be walking away from the negotiations,” he said.

Not so...

But back to the lying liar and the lies he told Friday. “You had a bipartisan group of senators, including Republicans who are in leadership in the Senate, calling for what effectively was about $2 trillion above the Republican baseline that theyve been working off of. What we said was give us $1.2 trillion in additional revenues,” Mr. Obama said.

That, too, was a lie....
...

Mr. Boehner was blunt: “The White House moved the goalpost...

But Mr. Obama, with a straight face, continued. “We then offered an additional $650 billion in cuts to entitlement programs — Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security.”

The truth: “Actually, the White House was walking back its commitments on entitlement reforms, too. They kept saying they wanted to ‘go big.’ But their actions never matched their rhetoric,” the insider said.

Now, Mr. Boehner and the real leaders in Congress have taken back the process. He’ll write the bill and pass it along to the president, with this directive, which he reportedly said to Mr. Obama’s face in a short White House meeting Saturday : “Congress writes the laws and you get to decide what you want to sign.”
(ZIMMER'S NOTE: WONDERFUL!)

Watching the one-third-of-a-term-senator-turned-president negotiate brings to mind a child spinning yarns about just how the living room lamp got broken. Now, though, the grown-ups are in charge; the kids have been put to bed. Ten days ago, the president warned the speaker: “Dont call my bluff.”

Well, Mr. Boehner has. He’s holding all the cards — and he’s not bluffing.

But Obi's propagandists are doing their best to dupe the public... problem is... Obama's credibility has become as thin as Blago's.

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Let's invert that and ask when are the journ-O-lists going to report the news accurately so the nation can wise up?


But Obi's propagandists are doing their best to dupe the public... problem is... Obama's credibility has become as thin as Blago's.

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Am I supposed to believe the Moony Times is an unbiased source and credible? :roll:
 
This poll was conducted among a random sample of 810 adults nationwide
Well if 810 adult liberals said so........clearly we should give The Most Expensive President in History another credit increase.........
I had a hard time with stat class just like you.
 
Am I supposed to believe the Moony Times is an unbiased source and credible? :roll:

By credible you mean edited and run by progressive moonbat progressives? No, it's not ... so I guess to you it's not credible.
 
By credible you mean edited and run by progressive moonbat progressives? No, it's not ... so I guess to you it's not credible.
The rag has never made a red cent, they are not accountable to anyone.
 
Let's invert that and ask when are the journ-O-lists going to report the news accurately so the nation can wise up?


But Obi's propagandists are doing their best to dupe the public... problem is... Obama's credibility has become as thin as Blago's.

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I like the advertisements on that rightwing opinion piece ...


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I'm not happy with the way the Republicans have handled this because they have been way too damn nice to Obama on the issue.

Obama goes out and plays golf and campaigns for weeks then comes on TV and claims he's been hard at work on it.

It's just more damn lies. Now just yesterday he makes a speech pointing fingers and telling more lies, making ultimatums and says in his little set of lies he's not going to do what he just did, and the Republicans don't call him on it.

Damn right I'm not happy with how they are handling things but mostly because i think they don't because they are afraid to be called Tea Party members if they do point out Obama's Lies.
 
ANYONE who thinks Obama is interested in stimulating America's capitalist economy is delusional. Obama's over-arching objective is to bankrupt America, and force it into Socialism, for purposes of shere survival as a nation. NEVER TRUST OBAMA. He's a devout Marxist, doing in his level-best to crash our economy.
 
ANYONE who thinks Obama is interested in stimulating America's capitalist economy is delusional. Obama's over-arching objective is to bankrupt America, and force it into Socialism, for purposes of shere survival as a nation. NEVER TRUST OBAMA. He's a devout Marxist, doing in his level-best to crash our economy.
You have to be the most ignorant person I've seen on these forums. Learn what Marxism and Socialism is before you bash them. I know you'll just ignore this though since anything that goes against your black and white worldview is evil in your eyes. It's okay though, I know you are just scared because it has been shown that your religion is quickly losing its hold on the West. I can't wait for the day when such myths are viewed with the same credibility as the tales of Zeus and Odin, because that's all they are is myths.
 
I'm not happy with the way the Republicans have handled this because they have been way too damn nice to Obama on the issue.

Obama goes out and plays golf and campaigns for weeks then comes on TV and claims he's been hard at work on it.

It's just more damn lies. Now just yesterday he makes a speech pointing fingers and telling more lies, making ultimatums and says in his little set of lies he's not going to do what he just did, and the Republicans don't call him on it.

Damn right I'm not happy with how they are handling things but mostly because i think they don't because they are afraid to be called Tea Party members if they do point out Obama's Lies.
Seems Boehner is working just as hard as Obama on those links ...


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ANYONE who thinks Obama is interested in stimulating America's capitalist economy is delusional. Obama's over-arching objective is to bankrupt America, and force it into Socialism, for purposes of shere survival as a nation. NEVER TRUST OBAMA. He's a devout Marxist, doing in his level-best to crash our economy.
Where do you get these outlandish views, from Glenn Beck?
 
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