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Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

Likewise for the muslims. They were not persecuted in reality only in their islamic mind. They believed the West is great satan out there to get them like they believed their prophet was persecuted by the meccans. Did we treat jim jones' "religion" as a legit religion with 1st amendment right? Of course not, otherwise he and his members won't have to live the comfort of their homes and families to go into the foreign jungles for survival. They would have hire a lawyer, even free from some lib law organiztion such as ACLU to defence vigorously their right.

none of the members of the islamic faith not linked to the murders were persecuted also and for their lifetime continued their devotion to the violent ideology of islam, yet islam is treated as a "religion" protected by the first amendment, but manson's helter skelter wasn't.

We may tolerate cults, but not one that advocated violence. That's the difference. Where in Scientology did they call for violence against unbelievers? When was the last time you heard some scientolgists flew a plane full of innocent civilians into the tall buildings full of innocent people? Can't you even differentiate the difference?
Wrong again. The Manson Family followers were allowed to continue their devotion to Manson, hell I could start a Church of Manson today and no one would stop me. Oh and the Church of Scientology has very shady past. For starters google "operation snow white" to see some of their criminal activity. However, it is clear to me that you are nothing but an intolerant bigot who refuses to accept anyone's beliefs but his own so I don't know why I talk to you. On the topic of Islam and the West. It is far too complex to boil down to a religious war. We have prompted up dictators over there for decades, we have have exploited their resources, these issues are the root of terrorism not religion. Religion is just a useful tool.
 
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Whats all this "they" about hmmm?

SO you're saying every single last muslim believes the west is the great satan... all of them?

Even these ones...?

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Or are they just doing this to fool us?

That's exactly what he thinks. I've argued his type before. They hate Islam, they hate anything that is different really. Islam is just the newest thing to be hated. I don't even like Islam or Christianity, but the different between me and people like dolphinocean, El Cid, Cain, etc is this: I may not believe it or consider it's beliefs anything other than superstition, but it has a right to exist just as Christianity does and I know the vast majority of Muslims are good people, I've known a few and I have nothing against them.
 
Whats all this "they" about hmmm?

SO you're saying every single last muslim believes the west is the great satan... all of them?

Even these ones...?

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Or are they just doing this to fool us?
No, I am not against the humanity of muslims themselves. In fact, I am feeling sorry for their situation, a wicked situation which they had no control but was born into and brainwashed eversince they were babies. Most muslims weren't religious. They call themselves muslims because that's what islam is all about. You can't be anything else, not even converting into another relgion by your own choice, because islam forbid that with pain of death. And that's the hallmark of a violent cult (such as jim jones' cult which forbid its members from leaving the group in Guyana under threat of bodily harm).

I see highly educated muslims such as those muslim physicians who firebombed the airport at Glasglow and many others like them including a muslim woman scientist who was charged with terrorism and felt that their lives would be very much different if islam wasn't in this world to influence their path. These young men and women are wasted all because of islam.

I would want them and the world to know the truth about islam and put it where it truly belongs. In islamic countries not only non-muslims but muslims themselves were prohibited to ask question regarding their prophet or islam. Some who did were brutally punished. Do you stand for this kind of treatment on their own people?

Not every single member of jim jones' or david koresh or aum shrinrikyo's cults believes the US or the world is out to get them either. Not all the cult members of jim jones, david koresh, aum shrinrikyo and others were violent or committed violent either. Nevertheless, do you and our society consider them religions or cults?
 
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No, I am not against the humanity of muslims themselves. In fact, I am feeling sorry for their situation, a wicked situation which they had no control but was born into and brainwashed eversince they were babies. Most muslims weren't religious. They call themselves muslims because that's what islam is all about. You can't be anything else, not even converting into another relgion by your own choice, because islam forbid that with pain of death. And that's the hallmark of a violent cult (such as jim jones' cult which forbid its members from leaving the group in Guyana under threat of bodily harm).

I see highly educated muslims such as those muslim physicians who firebombed the airport at Glasglow and many others like them including a muslim woman scientist who was charged with terrorism and felt that their lives would be very much different if islam wasn't in this world to influence their path. These young men and women are wasted all because of islam.

I would want them and the world to know the truth about islam and put it where it truly belongs. In islamic countries not only non-muslims but muslims themselves were prohibited to ask question regarding their prophet or islam. Some who did were brutally punished. Do you stand for this kind of treatment on their own people?

Not every single member of jim jones' or david koresh or aum shrinrikyo's cults believes the US or the world is out to get them either. Not all the cult members of jim jones, david koresh, aum shrinrikyo and others were violent or committed violent either. Nevertheless, do you and our society consider them religions or cults?

That was one of the most long winded dodges I've ever seen.

Anyway, have fun man, you're nothing more then a anti-islamic zealot who cannot listen to reason and fact, you have your viewpoint and its not going anywhere, you can't be reasoned or negotiated with.

All I can hope is that your view point remains firmly in the very, very small minority.
 
That's exactly what he thinks. I've argued his type before. They hate Islam, they hate anything that is different really. Islam is just the newest thing to be hated. I don't even like Islam or Christianity, but the different between me and people like dolphinocean, El Cid, Cain, etc is this: I may not believe it or consider it's beliefs anything other than superstition, but it has a right to exist just as Christianity does and I know the vast majority of Muslims are good people, I've known a few and I have nothing against them.
You're making an argument without basis, as if there weren't any violent behaviors of muslims that conform to islam and consistent with its teaching. You make it looks like islam is truly teaching peace and I am just picking them without any justication whatsoever. You know that's not true yet you would lie and make a false case for islam.
 
You know I'm more worried about radical far right reactionary Christians like you trying to take over America than I am Muslims. There is no danger of Sharai in America, but based on your posts and what I've studied of the Christian Reconstructionism and Domionist movement there is a danger of those like you trying to implement Mosaic Law. So maybe we should ban the Catholic Church and other Christian Churches? The answer to that question is no. Your religion has just as much right to exist as Islam does and I view them both the same as ridiculous superstitions.

Good for you. My only wish is that you would have a good reason to fear us. Unfortunately, you don't. Even when we do act, nut-jobs such as Anders Breivik take to the field, and screw everything up. By doing what he did, he became the evil he thought he was fighting against. Nonetheless, I believe there will be a grand show-down, someday, probably in the distant future, between the Western Christian Nation and the forces of G.U.S. (Globalized Underworld Society), of which Communism is a key component. RELAX EVERYONE. RELAX. I'm NOT condoning what Anders Breivik did. He killed INNOCENT PEOPLE, WHICH I DO NOT ENDORSE, PERIOD. HEAR ME AND HEAR ME RIGHT, DARN IT.
 
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That was one of the most long winded dodges I've ever seen.

Anyway, have fun man, you're nothing more then a anti-islamic zealot who cannot listen to reason and fact, you have your viewpoint and its not going anywhere, you can't be reasoned or negotiated with.

All I can hope is that your view point remains firmly in the very, very small minority.
Can't be reasoned? Are you kidding? I presented all reasons but all you have is mocking and name calling. Now, that's reasoning for you.
 
Good for you. My only wish is that you would have a good reason to fear us. Unfortunately, you don't. Even when we do act, nut-jobs such as Anders Breivik take to the field, and screw everything up. By doing what he did, he became the evil he thought he was fighting against. Nonetheless, I believe there will be a grand show-down, someday, probably in the distant future, between the Western Christian Nation and the forces of G.U.S. (Globalized Underworld Society), of which Communism is a key component. RELAX EVERYONE. RELAX. I'm NOT condoning what Anders Breivik did. He killed INNOCENT PEOPLE, WHICH I DO NOT ENDORSE, PERIOD. HEAR ME AND HEAR ME RIGHT, DARN IT.
You want my reasons? I've read up on the Christian Reconstructionist movement/Domionist movement. They openly advocate taking over the government and instituting Mosaic Law such as stoning of gays, adulterers, those who worship false Gods, those who practice magic, etc. If you don't believe me that they do that I'll post sources. That is why I fear you all. Do you consider yourself part of the Christan Reconstructionist or Domionist movement? Incase you don't know here is the wikipeda articles on them (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Reconstructionism) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Theology)
 
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We are only obligated to follow him in religious and moral matters, not political.

then why in the **** does the catholic church tell you not to take communion if you vote for a pro choice candidate?
 
Whats all this "they" about hmmm?
SO you're saying every single last muslim believes the west is the great satan... all of them?
Even these ones...?
American+Muslim+Day+Parade+Winds+Through+New+QDv0Yf8bSTwl.jpg

Or are they just doing this to fool us?

Some are. I suspect most aren't. Still, I don't want the West to be dominated by Islam. I'm not a terrorist, just a Westerner who doesn't want Islam to control my society. I side with Geert Wilders, and sympathize with his campaign. Islam has Asia. That should be enough.
 
You want my reasons? I've read up on the Christian Reconstructionist movement/Domionist movement. They openly advocate taking over the government and instituting Mosaic Law such as stoning of gays, adulterers, those who worship false Gods, those who practice magic, etc. If you don't believe me that they do that I'll post sources. That is why I fear you all. Do you consider yourself part of the Christan Reconstructionist or Domionist movement?

Hell, no. The Western Christian Nation doesn't need to resort to such goofy organizations and movements. Its inspiring story is told, in detail, in none other than the story of the rise of Western Civilization, that which is taught in public school......................even. Because most people don't like to STUDY, they reach out for religious denominations which preach back to them what they want to hear. It's a common human weakness. Yet God can be seen at work in history, often much moreso than through the lens of some creepy, fly-by-night, low-grade, revisionist, so-called 'theology'. Other super-creepy ones are British-Israelism and Christian Identity. Talk about crazy, stupid and dangerous.
 
You want my reasons? I've read up on the Christian Reconstructionist movement/Domionist movement. They openly advocate taking over the government and instituting Mosaic Law such as stoning of gays, adulterers, those who worship false Gods, those who practice magic, etc. If you don't believe me that they do that I'll post sources. That is why I fear you all. Do you consider yourself part of the Christan Reconstructionist or Domionist movement?
You're quoting some groups that don't follow the teaching of Jesus Christ. Do you even know what Jesus said when asked about his kingdom?

He said His kingdom is not of this world. As regard to stoning, He said those who without sin cast the first stone.
 
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The people of jim jones, david koresh and charles manson would also live in open society if we would allow them like we allow people of islam. It's just a matter of the fact that over the centuries islam got a pass and has managed to be a "religion" by culture and number.

Amen. I consider Islam retrograde and dangerous. I don't want to live under it. I won't live under it.
 
Hell, no. The Western Christian Nation doesn't need to resort to such goofy organizations and movements. Its inspiring story is told, in detail, in none other than the story of the rise of Western Civilization, that which is taught in public school......................even. Because most people don't like to STUDY, they reach out for religious denominations which preach back to them what they want to hear. It's a common human weakness. Yet God can be seen at work in history, often much moreso than through the lens of some creepy, fly-by-night, low-grade, revisionist, so-called 'theology'. Other super-creepy ones are British-Israelism and Christian Identity. Talk about crazy, stupid and dangerous.
So you don't want for Christians to take over the government and institute laws based upon christian morals? Tell me this then what exactly does the Western Christan Nation want? What is it's goals? I'm assuming since you capitalized the name there is some movement or organization?
 
Amen. I consider Islam retrograde and dangerous. I don't want to live under it. I won't live under it.

And the reason we all think you are a nutjob is that you believe there's actually some sort of possibility that this could happen. And that you're using this fear of Islamic takeover to justify blatant violation of people's rights and completely discarding a fundamental principle upon which this country was founded.

You, ElCid, lost the war on terror. You let a few wackjob murderous terrorists shake you to your very core, to the point that you've forgotten what America is even about. You have surrendered to fear. You have done exactly what those hijackers on 9/11 wanted you to do.

I will never be beaten in this manner. I will never allow the actions of a few to force me to live in fear of the whole.
 
Amen. I consider Islam retrograde and dangerous. I don't want to live under it. I won't live under it.
This is a very interesting quote. You can apply these feelings to Islam, but I bet you get offended and have very hard time understanding people who feel the same way about Christianity.
 
So, you think that the Aum Shinrikyo group which was responsible for the sarin gas murder attack in Tokyo Subway and violent "religious" groups like that should just have the right to practice their religion in this country?

:rofl So you are honestly trying to compare a freakish local group with a couple dozen fanatics to a worldwide religion of more than 1.5 BILLION that has been around for more than 2,000 years? Whatever you're smoking, dude, hand it over. :lol:
 
:rofl So you are honestly trying to compare a freakish local group with a couple dozen fanatics to a worldwide religion of more than 1.5 BILLION that has been around for more than 2,000 years? Whatever you're smoking, dude, hand it over. :lol:
In all fairness Islam has only been around for about 1400 years, but he's still completely and totally wrong in his comparison.
 
The Sharia Mosque is not part of a Religion.

It's a CULT straight up and they are based in hate, not peace & love asd true Religions are.
 
The Sharia Mosque is not part of a Religion.

It's a CULT straight up and they are based in hate, not peace & love asd true Religions are.

Of course.

And your position is based on nothing but love, roses, rainbows and sunshine :mrgreen:
 
The Sharia Mosque is not part of a Religion.

It's a CULT straight up and they are based in hate, not peace & love asd true Religions are.
hahah! This thread is so funny. Let's look at some definitionsOh, but for the record even groups that fit the negative definition of cult are allowed freedom of religion.

Cult is defined as 1. a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object. 2.a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister 3.a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing:a cult of personality surrounding the leaders.4.[usually as modifier] a person or thing that is popular or fashionable, especially among a particular section of society:a cult film. Link: definition of cult from Oxford Dictionaries Online

Religion is defined as: 1.the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power , especially a personal God or gods:ideas about the relationship between science and religion2.a particular system of faith and worship 3.a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance:consumerism is the new religion Link:definition of religion from Oxford Dictionaries Online

Islam fits the first definition of cult(as does Christianity) ,but not the second which is the negative one. Over a billion people is not small and the beliefs and practices are not considered strange or sinister by most. However Islam does fit all the definitions of religion except for the third. Oh and you'll notice there is nothing about peace and love anywhere int he definition of religion so you just made that up.
 
The Sharia Mosque is not part of a Religion.

It's a CULT straight up and they are based in hate, not peace & love asd true Religions are.

They aren't based in hate, that's your problem. You don't understand that the actions of extremists don't actually represent the religion.
 
:rofl So you are honestly trying to compare a freakish local group with a couple dozen fanatics to a worldwide religion of more than 1.5 BILLION that has been around for more than 2,000 years? Whatever you're smoking, dude, hand it over. :lol:
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Don’t you know that time and majority rule aren’t good criteria for ascertaining truth? For many millenniums, people all over the world used to believe that the earth is flat. Does that then make it so? Worldwide there are many communists in the world, does that prove that communism is right? You have to look beyond merely time and counting the number of people to make your case.

It is obvious that you are sticking your head in the sand when you dishonestly try to claim that it’s merely “a couple dozen fanatics”. Worldwide, the islamic followers had committed 17,506 deadly terror murders since 911 both against non-muslims and muslims whom the religious fanaics deemed “heretics” or not muslim enough. And the deadly terror attacks from islamic jihadists continue without ceasing on a daily basis.

Those deadly islamic terror attacks occurred worldwide from not just the arab countries in the M.E. But they stretches from Africa, to Israel, to Eygpt, to Yemen, to Afghanistan, to Iran, to all parts of Europe, to Russia, to Central Asia, to China, to America, to Pakistan, to India, to Australia, to Malaysia, to Indonesia, to Philipines, and many more….

In all these global attacks, the terrors were carried out by fanatics from different lands of vastly different languages, history and cultures. The only thing they all have in common is the “religion” of islam. That common link of islam is consistently seen in their mode of terror operandi, shouting of “allahu arkbar” before or during the attacks, the common islamic problem of causing troubles with non-muslim cousins who were ancestrally related by stock. Yet, they wanted to have their own islamic lands which they are willing to fight at all costs with shedding of innocent bloods to cause terror. Such is that case with the Thai muslims in the south causing bloody mayhem and beheading on innocent buddhists who were on their way to the plantation to work. Such is the case with Pilipino muslims in the south making terror attacks against other non-muslim villages, doing kidnapping, rapes and beheading, all in the name of allah and for the cause of allah. Such is also the case in Indonesia where muslims kidnapped christian girls on their way to school and beheaded them all. I saw the pics and they were gruesome. It reminded me of my own childhood experience of surviving the violent islamic attack where other children were brutally beheaded or dismembered.


These terror and violent behavior are consistent with the sunnah (the tradition, deeds and saying) of mohammad their prophet whom their allah touted as the best model for humanity and commanded that all muslims emulate his deeds and saying.



You can check all these out from islam’s own historical records, the quran, the ahadith, and the sira (biography of mohammad), all written by early followers of mo. You will find that most of the deeds of mo and his followers were cruel and violent. Yet, the early followers of mo were very proud to document their bloody acts as virtues that glorified islam and mo. Today’s islamic terrorists followed the same mode down to publicizing to the world their heinous act of barbaric terrorism with pride and glee.

And you dare to sit here to talk about “honestly” to make a false case for islam? Attack me if you will, but for the sake of America and our future generations, I am not taking a chance on islam without a fight of telling the truth. The cult of islam has proven itself to be violent, but all supporters of islam are blinded by the lies it spins out.

Source: “Islamic Terrorists Have Carried Out More Than 17,506 deadly terror attacks since 9/11”. TheReligionofPeace - About the List of Islamic Terror Attacks
 
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As are a host of fundie churches in the U.S.
I agree. If we start banning Islam then there are a lot of churches that need to be banned on the same criteria. Based on my experience going to a Southern Baptist school, that entire convention might be in trouble.
 
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