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Cain: Tenn. Mosque Infringes on Religious Freedom

Hatuey said:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
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Is Perry a member of Congress? No? Diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidn't think soooooooooooooooooo!

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SgtRock said:
I would like to allow a mosque to be built in the USA for every church or synagogue being built in Saudi Arabia. However we are a tolerant people with a constitution that guarantees religious freedom. Unlike the intolerant islamic countries of the world where christians and jews are persecuted.
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Cut the crap get to your point..
 
apdst said:
Is Perry a member of Congress? No? Diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidn't think soooooooooooooooooo!

Thank you for playing!
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Irrelevant. The establishment clause goes far beyond Congress as proven by:

Lee v. Weisman
Larson v. Valente
Braunfeld v. Brown
etc.

Now, are you going to play stupid once more and come up with another red herring?
 
Hatuey said:
... Do you actually know what a violation of the 1st amendment is? Or does apdst simply want to derail another thread with his "Look at me, I'm a black Conservative and you hate me" act?
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I don't recall him even mentioning his black conservative-ism until you bothered to show up, thread stalking his ass, and throwing out ad-hom attacks.... again.

I am now just waiting for the time when this thread will get flushed to the basement as well.
 
Caine said:
I don't recall him even mentioning his black conservative-ism until you bothered to show up, thread stalking his ass, and throwing out ad-hom attacks.... again.

I am now just waiting for the time when this thread will get flushed to the basement as well.
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Dont you know Hatueys standard comments on ALL conservative blacks? Doods the biggest racist on the site. But the kool kids love him.
 
Caine said:
I don't recall him even mentioning his black conservative-ism until you bothered to show up, thread stalking his ass, and throwing out ad-hom attacks.... again.
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Yo supercop, do you know who posted on this thread before apdst decided to show up and derail it? I'll give you a clue:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...inges-religious-freedom-2.html#post1059656797

Now why don't you piss off and go arrest some weed smokers or something?

I am now just waiting for the time when this thread will get flushed to the basement as well.
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So you can talk about how you listened to DMX? Yes we know Caine. :)
 
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VanceMack said:
Dont you know Hatueys standard comments on ALL conservative blacks? Doods the biggest racist on the site. But the kool kids love him.
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Not my fault the only ones who seem to dislike me are a racist cop, your irrelevant ass, the guy who calls his dog "nigger", the wannabe black guy, the Jersey Shore NYPD reject, and that kid who constantly cries about being called a kraut a few times 50 years ago. You're among the forum's most expandable posters in your hatred for me my silly little son.

:shrug:
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Attacks end now. I will not move this thread, I will just give points and thread ban any one who cannot play nice. Get on topic, and stop with the attacks, now.
 
apdst said:
Is Perry a member of Congress? No? Diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidn't think soooooooooooooooooo!

Thank you for playing!
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The First Amendment holds for the states as well. See the supremacy clause in the Constitution.

Seriously though, do Conservatives just skip the 1st Amendment in their haste to get to the 2nd? For all your side's talk about "obeying the Constitution," you all seem to miss some of the obvious.
 
Deuce said:
Replace Catholic in every instance with Muslim.

Starting to get why people are upset with Cain?
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In terms of islam, it's more accurate to replace jim jones' peoples' temple cult, or david koresh's branch davidian cult, or charles manson's helter skelter cult in every instance with islamic pedophilia and bloody violent cult and you'll start to understand why people are upset with the liberal mind legimatising a violent cult masquerading as a religion.
 
dolphinocean said:
In terms of islam, it's more accurate to replace jim jones' peoples' temple cult, or david koresh's branch davidian cult, or charles manson's helter skelter cult in every instance with islamic pedophilia and bloody violent cult and you'll start to understand why people are upset with the liberal mind legimatising a violent cult masquerading as a religion.
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It's really sad that you think this way. It must be terrifying to believe that 1.4 billion people all want to kill you.
 
Most western people, especially the liberals, do not know the violent history of islam since its beginning in the 7th century. Many do not know or refused to know that the islamic teaching specifically teaches its followers to hate and terrorize non-muslims whom islam designated as "infidels".

I know many here would say the Bible also contained many violent verses in the OT. But, the fact of the matter is that the violence mentioned in the Bible was a narrative account of what happened to wicked people whom God had given them 500 years to mend their ways but refused. It's like what we are doing now with the terrorists when we try to kill all those islamic terrorists whose wicked ways include using children and mentally impaired women and naive young men as suicide bombers or suicide hijackers to murder massive innocent civilains. Certainly, wicked people whether of ancient or modern times deserved to be wiped out to prevent further bloody mayhems.

But, the quran is considered by muslims as the direct dictation of allah to mohammad for his followers as allah's command for all time. The key word here is "for all time". Therefore, the violent verses in the quran are applicable to the modernday muslims as they were to the 7th century followers of mohammad. Not only that, the quran also told all the muslims to follow the example of mohammad in every way of his life since he was said to be the best model for all humanity by allah. But the examples of mohammad's way of life were very violent and sinisters. They were recorded by early muslims in the collections of islamic history writings such as ishaq's and tabari's biography of mohammad and other ahadith
 
dolphinocean said:
But, the quran is considered by muslims as the direct dictation of allah to mohammad for his followers as allah's command for all time. The key word here is "for all time". Therefore, the violent verses in the quran are applicable to the modernday muslims as they were to the 7th century followers of mohammad. Not only that, the quran also told all the muslims to follow the example of mohammad in every way of his life since he was said to be the best model for all humanity by allah. But the examples of mohammad's way of life were very violent and sinisters. They were recorded by early muslims in the collections of islamic history writings such as ishaq's and tabari's biography of mohammad and other ahadith
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So the bible isn't the word of God? Phew, that's a relief. It's also good to know that bible verses can expire. I guess that makes The Gay ok now, right? The bible definitely can be edited at will!
 
The sad think is that people like you are being used as a trojan horse to destroy this great country and other western civilization. I can only warn you, but our children and children's children's future rest in your hand.

One thing good about humanity is that deep down within our heart, there is inscribed to our understanding a basic morality of good and evil. Even people born into the muslim culture who are muslim by birth and not by choice do not really know much about their islamic history. When they are not religiously inclined, they do not know the truth about islam and therefore their humanity makes them human. But, once they become religious in islam they will turn violent in accordance to the command of allah in the quran. Even a convert from the west will turn violent when they became religious. There were a lot of cases of such, the recent one being abdulhakim muhammad who cowardly murdered Private William Long and wounding Private Quinton Ezeagwula at a Little Rock recruiting center in 2009.
 
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You argument is non sequitur. Why do expect ancient narration about the Israelites' war to be for all time? The "for all time" are commands such as "Thous shalt not kill".
 
digsbe said:
Cain wrongfully believes that the Mosque intends to spread Sharia law into our courts, this is what he said infringes upon religious freedom (sharia law) not the building of the Mosque.
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Tbh though, that distinction, while relevant and significant, doesn't do anything to prevent Cain from falling into one of the ignorant/wacko/ignorant wacko categories.


"It is another example of why I believe in American laws and American courts," Cain said. "This is just another way to try to gradually sneak Shariah law into our laws, and I absolutely object to that."​
Also, it should be noted that the pronoun "this" in that quote does indeed seem to refer to the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro. So, there could be a case made that Cain said
It is another example of why I believe in American laws and American courts," Cain said. "[The Islamic Center of Murfreesboro] is just another way to try to gradually sneak Shariah law into our laws, and I absolutely object to that."​
ymmv
And if one accepts that the "this" refers to the ICM, which one is not required to do, Then it seems that the "this" "is just another way to try to gradually sneak Shariah law into our laws."
And if "spread[ing] Sharia law into our courts...is what he said infringes upon religious freedom", and if the ICM "is just another way to try to gradually sneak Shariah law into our laws," then it seems reasonable to think that what Cain said is equivalent to saying that the ICM infringes on (or will infringe on) religious freedom.
 
Barbbtx said:
I want a president who will be on the look-out for the infiltration of sharia law.
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I see. And how much of the PotUS's time should be spent looking in the closet and under the bed?
There's no way sharia's going be a part of our laws in the lifetime of anyone we will meet in our lifetimes.
Just look at the level of outrage the infiltration of sharia law into American law has already achieved. Imagine how much greater and virulent the reaction would be if it were a real threat.
 
Thunder said:
will they start imposing Talmudic Law upon the American people?
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I am sure that if you looked you could find exactly equivalent examples of this happening as you can for sharia law. The examples would be just as compelling too.
 
dolphinocean said:
For those who are interested to know something about the cult of islam, here is the link to a post I started that briefly describe the beginning of the cult of islam:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/religion-and-philosophy/105143-cult-islam.html#post1059678573
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Since you use the phrase "cult of Islam" we can tell that we will find quality information there. We may have to provide our own qualifier before the word "quality," but I believe that the info will be info of some quality.

Why is it that the people who seem so unduly alarmed by Islam seem so ready to assume that the rest of us are ignorant?
 
dolphinocean said:
You argument is non sequitur. Why do expect ancient narration about the Israelites' war to be for all time? The "for all time" are commands such as "Thous shalt not kill".
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So... when people hold up signs quoting Leviticus re: homosexuality, they're wrong?
 
spud_meister said:
The vast majority of Sharia law regulates a Muslims private life, praying 5 times a day, eating halal, no piggy, jet settin' of to Mecca etc. It's only a small portion that would be unconstitutional.
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But in terms of applying the law to our systems, you cannot force anyone to abide to moral guidelines of their religion via the legal system, so it wouldn't even be applicable to the American Judicial system. In terms of the other stuff, the Constitutional clearly states that the government cannot favor one religion. By subverting the secular rule of law for specific Islamic Legal Laws, that's pissing on the Bill of Rights. As I see it right now, the outrage over Sharia becoming US law is a gross misunderstanding of what the Bill of Rights says. We do no practice Jewish Law (well there is Rabbinical Court, but that's outside of our system). This really seems like ignorance or fake outrage.
 
I love Cain's blunt honesty. He's a damned good man.
 
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