Chrysler UAW workers caught doping, drinking-----Again-----

Badmutha said:

Never in my lifetime have I seen alcohol or drug use improve work ethic or quality control........just the opposite.

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Man you must of never knew any cooks or chiefs then..

Every employee I have ever caught drinking, toking, sleeping, acting like a unions slob, on the job.......I canned with extreme prejudice.......

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Sooo all union members "drink, toke, and sleep on the job"? All union members do this?
You are sooo pathetic? Your an adult? Your acting like a 6 year old.

.....finish your beer, clean out your desk, and get the **** off my property........
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I would also fire someone or have an extreme word with them if i caught them doing this as well..

Deuce said:

Not one person here is suggesting they be allowed to do this. You don't seem to realize this. Are you reading what people post or do you just have the whole conversation in your own head?

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He hears voices in his head.. .Shhhhh if your very quiet you can hear them :screwy

Badmutha said:

Let me ask.......would you let this guy work on your car..........

....after he smoked and drank his lunch?
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Maybe when your older, smarter and less liberal, ......when you and your family are out driving in your Chrysler mini-van.........the point your missing is going to slap you upside the head like a mini-van with no brakes or airbags.
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Depends on how drunk and stoned he is. I work on my motorcycle a lot, and perhaps during the course of taking it apart and putting it back together, PBR gets consumed. Maybe even a bowl. Who knows, depends on if one of my buddies is with me. I haven't killed myself yet. Now if I were really drunk...well actually then I couldn't work on cars. But I know a lot of mechanics and people who tool around with their own vehicles. A couple beers isn't enough to impair us so much that we can't work on a vehicle.

Deuce said:

Not one person here is suggesting they be allowed to do this. You don't seem to realize this. Are you reading what people post or do you just have the whole conversation in your own head?

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No the UAW does that for them............

Expert: UAW likely to appeal for fired workers filmed drinking, but Chrysler won't want to settle | MLive.com

.....thus allowing liberals to start into songs about how wonderful Unions and Union Workers are.


From the Teachers Union protecting pathetic teachers..........to the UAW protecting stoned drunken slobs........to the Public Sector Unions protecting Incompetence.............how do you mange to swallow it down.......
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Ikari said:

Depends on how drunk and stoned he is. I work on my motorcycle a lot, and perhaps during the course of taking it apart and putting it back together, PBR gets consumed. Maybe even a bowl. Who knows, depends on if one of my buddies is with me. I haven't killed myself yet. Now if I were really drunk...well actually then I couldn't work on cars. But I know a lot of mechanics and people who tool around with their own vehicles. A couple beers isn't enough to impair us so much that we can't work on a vehicle.

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Well you got that going for you.......

Have as many beers and bowls as you want.....its your motorcyle....its your life....my family wont be riding on the back.
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Badmutha said:

how do you mange to swallow it down.......
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I'll have to think about it over the weekend. Which exists thanks to Unions.

I assume you'll be working. For slave wages. Since everything the Union does is evil.

Badmutha said:

Well you got that going for you.......

Have as many beers and bowls as you want.....its your motorcyle....its your life....my family wont be riding on the back.
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The point is that you're making a fear argument. Somehow these people drinking is going to make it so you won't have brakes and airbags in your minivan. It's absurd, of course it depends on how much they were drinking and smoking. If someone has a beer and maybe a hit; fine, not going to dramatically effect their job. People do it a lot with no consequences. That's not to say that the company can't have a zero tolerance policy. They are more than free to do so. Rather the point is that your fear argument isn't completely rational as it depends on quantity and given the automation of factory lines, those idiots having a beer isn't going to cause your minivan to not have airbags. That's an idiotic argument.

Badmutha said:

Let me ask.......would you let this guy work on your car..........

....after he smoked and drank his lunch?
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Maybe when your older, smarter and less liberal, ......when you and your family are out driving in your Chrysler mini-van.........the point your missing is going to slap you upside the head like a mini-van with no brakes or airbags.
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Actually I don't own anything from Chrysler but that isn't the point. Also you do realize that not only does EVERY SINGLE CAR MANUFACTURER have their own QC department but they also hire 3rd party quality control to check over the work? Let me give you a great example--I work at a place that makes the window linings for Honda, Toyota, and Lexus. You know the window linings that have the chrome:



Such as the ones on that Honda Odyssey? Yeah I make those. If there is a ripple, dent, or so much as a small 1cm scratch on one of those, there goes a part that cost $12 in materials that they charge $89 for (just for say, the top outer front door for an example). You want to know what else? My non-union job, as decent as it may be, during the busy season they love to work us 6-7 days a week for 10 hours a day. The longer they do this, for some "strange reason" the quality goes down. So I think while those guys need to be disciplined and possibly (likely fired) I think that suggesting that the fate and safety of a Chrylser owner hinges on those few individuals you shown is ridiculous.

Also what does me being older, smarter, and less liberal have to do with using common sense and being more knowledgeable about the industry than you ever will be in your life? Not much. Also don't try to bring my child into any of your silly arguments ever again. Thanks.

EDIT: I just remembered that not only does a supplier have its own QC, then its own 3rd party QC, but QC at the customer will look it over as well. Sometimes 2 days before Sat I would be told I got to work Sat and Sun because of some total bull**** like the flocking being 1MM from the edge of the line (the fuzzy part of a car door that the window goes into). Seriously. So I am pretty sure that if car companies get their panties in the bunch of stuff like that they do over ummm brakes and the drive train lol.

TheDemSocialist said:

Is this supposed to make look unions bad all in all? Should we get rid of unions because of this?
What i think is that this people should have a serious talking to....
But seriously try to undermine the unions with this? Pathetic.

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What do you feel is the purpose for unions?

rocket88 said:

I'll have to think about it over the weekend. Which exists thanks to Unions.

I assume you'll be working. For slave wages. Since everything the Union does is evil.

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Unions nowadays have absolutely nothing to do with minimum wages and weekends. Both of those would exist if unions did not at this point.

TheGreatSandeno said:

What do you feel is the purpose for unions?

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It aggregates the arbitration power of the workers over the whole to allow them better ability to argue compensation for their labor in contract negotiations with employers.

TheGreatSandeno said:

What do you feel is the purpose for unions?

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To protect workers from being underpaid, to protect workers from being overworked, contract negotiations, looking out for worker rights, able to bargain on work safety standards, maintain the quality of labor at a specific job, helps prevent forms of exploitation, and more.

rocket88 said:

I'll have to think about it over the weekend. Which exists thanks to Unions.

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My business is as non-union as the sky is blue........not once have I chained any employee to their work....rarely have I brought out the cattle prods.......and only on blue moons have I asked them to work weekends.

I assume you'll be working. For slave wages. Since everything the Union does is evil.

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Well your right.....as there is no rest for the self employed......somebody has to create things for the union slobs to put together.
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Badmutha said:

My business is as non-union as the sky is blue........not once have I chained any employee to their work....rarely have I brought out the cattle prods.......and only on blue moons have I asked them to work weekends.

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If you did, they'd Unionize in a heartbeat. But if Unions hadn't created the expectation of getting off on weekends, it would be expected that we all work.

unions have been gutted so much in the past 30 years that i find it difficult to believe that any rational human being can consider them a convenient demon.

meanwhile, countless non-union workers still benefit from the changes and improvements in working conditions that the work of unions led to.

something to think about over your two day weekend.

Badmutha said:

My business is as non-union as the sky is blue........not once have I chained any employee to their work....rarely have I brought out the cattle prods.......and only on blue moons have I asked them to work weekends.

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My job is non-union as well. I am essentially chained to work. I don't get to see the outside on many days (the windows in the lab are covered up to prevent light contamination). Cattle prods are conferences in my field. Weekends are assumed that you will be working. 10-12 hours a day standard.

TheDemSocialist said:

To protect workers from being underpaid, to protect workers from being overworked, contract negotiations, looking out for worker rights, able to bargain on work safety standards, maintain the quality of labor at a specific job, helps prevent forms of exploitation, and more.

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So you wouldnt object if all us Business Owners, Entreprenuers, Employers, Job Creators did the same.........for protection you know.......
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......Unions are THE MOB.......its put the money in the bag or were going to shut you down.......
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rocket88 said:

If you did, they'd Unionize in a heartbeat.

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....and they would find themselves in the unemployment line at the end of that beat...........

But if Unions hadn't created the expectation of getting off on weekends, it would be expected that we all work.

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Yes of course........without Unions businesses would of created an 8 day work week and probably created Prison work camps by now........I have my plans and prints ready to go just in case.
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Badmutha said:

Yes of course........without Unions businesses would of created an 8 day work week and probably created Prison work camps by now........I have my plans and prints ready to go just in case.

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Well one can't really add another day to the week. However, we have seen what it was like before Unions and proper oversight. Where do you think child labor laws came from? Businesses handing out candy to children on their way to school?

Badmutha said:

So you wouldnt object if all us Business Owners, Entreprenuers, Employers, Job Creators did the same.........for protection you know.......

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What are you trying to say?
Whats your point?
Im not seeing what your trying to say?
Say it more clearly or reword it please...

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These ****ing dots! Please answer this: What in the hell are the points of these dots?

Unions are THE MOB.......its put the money in the bag or were going to shut you down.......
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Naaaa.. Its so pathetic your idea of unions... Your like Morris Friedman himself..

Ikari said:

Well one can't really add another day to the week. However, we have seen what it was like before Unions and proper oversight. Where do you think child labor laws came from? Businesses handing out candy to children on their way to school?

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Remember child labor laws, and the 5 day work week were once considered "bad for business" and just absurd.

TheDemSocialist said:

What are you trying to say?
Whats your point?
Im not seeing what your trying to say?
Say it more clearly or reword it please...

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That you believe Employers have no rights........and you fail to see billboards no matter how big............

These ****ing dots! Please answer this: What in the hell are the points of these dots?



Naaaa.. Its so pathetic your idea of unions... Your like Morris Friedman himself..

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Do as we say......or were gonna shut you down.........UNIONS/THE MOB.
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Badmutha said:

That you believe Employers have no rights.......

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No employers have rights..... They hire, they fire, they pay, they receive money....

.and you fail to see billboards no matter how big............

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Whats that supposed to mean?

Do as we say......or were gonna shut you down.........UNIONS/THE MOB.
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Yep thats unions the mob.. You got it... Your so ignorant.. SO pathetically narrow view..

Well Badmutha? Sucks to try and prove a guy wrong when you know he is right huh? Be on your way.