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Chrysler UAW workers caught doping, drinking-----Again-----

This kind of thing used to be pretty common. I think it's pretty lame that I can't drink beer on my lunch break, it's not like a few beers means you're drunk or even buzzed.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
This kind of thing used to be pretty common. I think it's pretty lame that I can't drink beer on my lunch break, it's not like a few beers means you're drunk or even buzzed.
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Actually the term "a few" usually refers to 3 or more, 3 beers in an hr, you are legally drunk. :prof
 
I drink at work all the time. Calms me down before landing the plane. You wouldn't want me nervous, would you?
 
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Thanks for responding. Where I worked we had high level architecture, design, marketing, sales, and we had manufacturing that used large dangerous sophisticated computer controlled machines and hand assembly. So drugs including alcohol could be a problem. So the company was considering starting drug testing. As a manager, I thought this would be stupid since employment should be based on performance and performance is easily evaluated. I expressed my views, dangerous. (In fact there are small keyboard at the door evaluation of an employee that can be implemented, that functions better for the company than drug testing.) Weeks later drug testing was implemented. I had to go to training on how to explain to my group how good this was going to be. During the training the pro drug testing managers were pro because they didn’t like the sinful drug culture, others like me just cared about performance. So there were basically three types: 1) Those that didn’t think it would work and would be a waste. 2) Those that wanted to stop the sinfulness. 3) And a few that thought it would work. Note, ‘beer’ was not tested for. The company that sold the testing to our company, claiming lower costs, higher productivity, etc., etc. started the testing. Several high level engineers resigned and formed a consulting firm before testing began and we hired them at effectively higher pay than they were getting. My boss tested positive for the prescription drugs he needed. He was tested over and over for this reason. It’s very embarrassing to be pulled from a meeting to have to go pee in a way to verify that it was fresh pee. However, we were to get a report about how much performance improved and how much money was saved in 6 months, etc. Nothing was ever provided about how much drug testing improved our company. After about a year and a half drug testing was stopped. No reason ever given. My guess was that it was too expensive to catch sinners. This was especially obvious when some of the sinners were consultants sitting in the next office.
BTY, worker bees and managers below the rank of VP had exactly the same health insurance. Above VP the official answer on health insurance was that they had exactly the same health insurance. Not exactly a lie, just obfuscation, since they also had an additional separate health policy that gave the gold plating that you mentioned. Get it, the same policy. The additional gold one is never to be mentioned.

So, Badmutha, what is your personal experience with gold plated insurance and drugs, alcohol etc., in the workplace?
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Never in my lifetime have I seen alcohol or drug use improve work ethic or quality control........just the opposite.

Every employee I have ever caught drinking, toking, sleeping, acting like a unions slob, on the job.......I canned with extreme prejudice.......

.....finish your beer, clean out your desk, and get the **** off my property........
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Badmutha said:
Never in my lifetime have I seen alcohol or drug use improve work ethic or quality control........just the opposite.

Every employee I have ever caught drinking, toking, sleeping, acting like a unions slob, on the job.......I canned with extreme prejudice.......

.....finish your beer, clean out your desk, and get the **** off my property........
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These guys were fired. What's the issue?
 
Badmutha said:
Never in my lifetime have I seen alcohol or drug use improve work ethic or quality control........just the opposite.

Every employee I have ever caught drinking, toking, sleeping, acting like a unions slob, on the job.......I canned with extreme prejudice.......

.....finish your beer, clean out your desk, and get the **** off my property.
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I agree with this part, every employee caught drinking, toking, sleeping on the job should be canned.
But it looks like you fire for behavior. What is "acting like a unions slob"?
So do you fire an employee for performance or behavior? If he tokes Friday night and you know he's done that, do you can him Monday morning? What if he is the best performer you have? Then if someone’s behavior is perfect by your standards all the time, on and off the job, but a poor performer, do you keep him?

btw, do you know what "canned with extreme prejudice" means in some venues?
 
Badmutha said:
Do you honestly believe.......that no other UAW BEER AND POT JAMBOREES took place during the year span between reports?

Do you honestly believe.....that the Union heads and heavys had no idea this was going on?..........right outside in the UAW Parking lot?

The only ones getting fired are the ones lucky enough to have had some airtime.......protecting union slobbery......shielding union incompetence and corruption.........is the job Unions are here to do.
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So we should just assume all union workers behave in this manner and fire them? Does that mean we should believe all Christians act like Westboro?
 
OhIsee.Then said:
I agree with this part, every employee caught drinking, toking, sleeping on the job should be canned.
But it looks like you fire for behavior. What is "acting like a unions slob"?
So do you fire an employee for performance or behavior? If he tokes Friday night and you know he's done that, do you can him Monday morning? What if he is the best performer you have? Then if someone’s behavior is perfect by your standards all the time, on and off the job, but a poor performer, do you keep him?
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Do whatever you want on your time........but when your on my time........you best be sober from the moment you start to the moment you finish......

btw, do you know what "canned with extreme prejudice" means in some venues?
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Angry liberals canning beets..........
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Ikari said:
So we should just assume all union workers behave in this manner and fire them? Does that mean we should believe all Christians act like Westboro?
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The only thing that should be assumed.......is that Unions will do everything in their power to protect incompetence, corruption, and the utter lie and complete fraud that is Liberalism.
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Badmutha said:
The only thing that should be assumed.......is that Unions will do everything in their power to protect incompetence, corruption, and the utter lie and complete fraud that is Liberalism.
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Well first off, that's a pretty ****ty and biased assumption. Secondly, what the **** is the problem here? These folk who were caught were fired.
 
Ikari said:
Well first off, that's a pretty ****ty and biased assumption.
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Its actually more Reality than assumption.......Expert: UAW likely to appeal for fired workers filmed drinking, but Chrysler won't want to settle | MLive.com

....you would think the UAW would want these drunk and stoned union slobs fired........for the betterment of the Union and its sewer image. But thinking and the UAW have nothing in common.

Secondly, what the **** is the problem here? These folk who were caught were fired.
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Correction........the 13 that were caught LAST TIME were fired........and from the best info I have been able to find........11 of them have since been rehired.
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Badmutha said:
Its actually more Reality than assumption.......Expert: UAW likely to appeal for fired workers filmed drinking, but Chrysler won't want to settle | MLive.com

....you would think the UAW would want these drunk and stoned union slobs fired........for the betterment of the Union and its sewer image. But thinking and the UAW have nothing in common.
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OMG...NOOOOOO! A union trying to protect its workers! What is this world coming to?

They're free to appeal if they like, it's a free country (well some of us are more committed to keeping it that way than others). They'll have to prove their case that they were fired unreasonably. And here we have on camera their actions. If they can all be properly identified, it seems pretty open and shut. So again, WTF is the problem here? They were caught, they were fired. This is from your own link

"They feel it's a dischargeable offense, and it very well might be, but there's a process and that's what a labor contract's all about. People have an appeal and they have the UAW to represent them and they will probably make use of that. Whether it makes any difference or not, we'll see."

Two other workers that appeared in the original Fox 2 report received a one-month disciplinary layoff without pay. Schwartz said it is likely the fired workers will appeal for a similar punishment.

"Being discharged from an automotive job is a big deal. It's one of the best jobs in America, and to be discharged is something nobody wants to go through," he said. "So, obviously, they're going to grieve it. They're going to try and get the job back. I'm sure they're kind of hoping they'll wind up with the same penalty that the other people got. 'Alright, I made a mistake. I lose a little pay. Please let me come back to work.'"
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OMG...how horribly unreasonable of them!

Badmutha said:
Correction........the 13 that were caught LAST TIME were fired........and from the best info I have been able to find........11 of them have since been rehired.
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I didn't see "11 of them were rehired" in the link you provided. And so what? That's between the Union and the Company.
 
I am going to bring up my Tea Partying racist friend again.

Whenever he sees a black guy get arrested, to him it means "Blacks are criminals," not that this one guy was a criminal. Replace "black guy" with "UAW member," and you've got the same thing going on here. I'm not going to defend these guys, but if they weren't in a Union, nobody would have taped them, and Cons wouldn't give a crap.
 
Ockham said:
Bottom line here boys... is that anyone, in any private or public job who, during lunch goes out and boozes it up should be identified by their co-workers and either put into a substance abuse program or outright fired. The guy in the video who drank before work and stumbles through the front door who's had a suspended drivers license since 1999? Yeah, that guy's an alcoholic and should not be part of any manufacturing of anything that goes into the public. That opens up Chrysler to major law suits.

However the bigger issue here is, Chrysler says they have a Code of Conduct policy - yet, for some reason at this Trenton plant the people who tipped off the local Fox Channel apparently either didn't report it internally or, perhaps they did and nothing happened, or they were afraid to report it because they are fellow Union members. Therefore they felt it necessary to tip off the media who exposes these dumbasses so they get caught and fired. Why isn't this handled internally? And yes, someone somewhere in many corporations / jobs are using and abusing - however they don't all seem to congregate in some local open area to do it where camera's can expose them.

Chrysler has to clean up their act and take care of this issue internally with their union... it's embarrassing and the optics clearly go negative where Chrysler is concerned when addicts are shown to work and abuse day after day at their own UAW local.... very embarrassing and incompetent.
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I agree with your first paragraph, but it's a bit more complex than just that. In any factory, we work with those people 8 + hours a day, and in fact see more of them than probably even our family. These are our friends, and if we report them, we are getting them fired. They are also the friends of many others in the factory, and snitches are not well treated by the friends of those snitched on.

The thing to remember is this has nothing to do with unions. It happens in most factories, the bigger the factory, the more likely it happens and generally the easier it is to get away with.
 
Redress said:
I agree with your first paragraph, but it's a bit more complex than just that. In any factory, we work with those people 8 + hours a day, and in fact see more of them than probably even our family. These are our friends, and if we report them, we are getting them fired. They are also the friends of many others in the factory, and snitches are not well treated by the friends of those snitched on.
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Normally that's true and in an office environment I think that 100% true. The difference here is the environment - these people aren't office workers they're on the assembly line - NOT snitching on these people could cost someone their life. So what's more important; not being seen as a snitch or potentially saving someone's life / limb? I say the latter.

Redress said:
The thing to remember is this has nothing to do with unions. It happens in most factories, the bigger the factory, the more likely it happens and generally the easier it is to get away with.
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In a minimal way it kinda does have something to do with the Unions since as the video showed, these Union workers were toking/boozing on the private property of the UAW building. That tells me they thought such a place was safer than a public park, which is where the previous batch of guys were filmed and subsequently fired. I agree it happens everywhere and the bigger the place, the easier it is to blend in and not be noticed but this sort of behavior was already outed once, did they think it couldn't happen again especially since from a media perspective, such stories go national like **** through a goose.
 
I think what Badmutha is trying to say is, that we are all doomed, and that when you buy a Chrysler car, your kid is going to get high and drunk off of it. Or something, I dunno.
 
Ockham said:
Normally that's true and in an office environment I think that 100% true. The difference here is the environment - these people aren't office workers they're on the assembly line - NOT snitching on these people could cost someone their life. So what's more important; not being seen as a snitch or potentially saving someone's life / limb? I say the latter.
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Most factory work is not of the type you can get hurt doing. Machine shops, sure. Tool and Die, yup. Assembly plants, not so much. Injection molding plant, probably not(as workers, not setups, diesetters or maintenance). Metal stamping, oh yeah. I have been in a few auto factories and only 1 I think would having been impaired been really risky to health,

In a minimal way it kinda does have something to do with the Unions since as the video showed, these Union workers were toking/boozing on the private property of the UAW building. That tells me they thought such a place was safer than a public park, which is where the previous batch of guys were filmed and subsequently fired. I agree it happens everywhere and the bigger the place, the easier it is to blend in and not be noticed but this sort of behavior was already outed once, did they think it couldn't happen again especially since from a media perspective, such stories go national like **** through a goose.
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The last factory I worked in(which rejected the UAW twice), people used to go and get stoned in the parking lot on break until finally the plant manager arrived way early one morning during our breaktime and saw them. it's not the union, it's where you can go that no one who will report you can see.
 
JohnWOlin said:
I think what Badmutha is trying to say is, that we are all doomed, and that when you buy a Chrysler car, your kid is going to get high and drunk off of it. Or something, I dunno.
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Let me ask.......would you let this guy work on your car..........

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....after he smoked and drank his lunch?
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Maybe when your older, smarter and less liberal, ......when you and your family are out driving in your Chrysler mini-van.........the point your missing is going to slap you upside the head like a mini-van with no brakes or airbags.
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Badmutha said:
Let me ask.......would you let this guy work on your car..........

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....after he smoked and drank his lunch?
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Maybe when your older, smarter and less liberal, ......when you and your family are out driving in your Chrysler mini-van.........the point your missing is going to slap you upside the head like a mini-van with no brakes or airbags.
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Not one person here is suggesting they be allowed to do this. You don't seem to realize this. Are you reading what people post or do you just have the whole conversation in your own head?
 
The Barbarian said:
-chuckles- not sure what his point is ... but I'm confused ..
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It didnt look like much of a "jamboree" to me. It looked like 4 or 5 guys standing in a parking lot drinking from a beer bottle.

aren't you one of the people that condemn the entire tea party movement because of the actions of a few ??
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No im not. And if you would look back on what i have said about the tea party and racism you would find out its quite the opposite. Sure there are probably racists in the Tea Party but that does not make the whole Tea Party racist....

without any proof that it was more then one or two caught on film ???
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What is this supposed to mean?
 
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