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Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

ptif219 said:
No it shows Obama wants cuts to take affect in 10 years when he is not president. The GOP wants them to go into affect now
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Nope, you're still confused.
 
BDBoop said:
Good gravy. He honestly doesn't grasp the fact that the savings are over a 10-year period?
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Amazingly enough, no, he doesn't.

"Yes but what good are cuts when Obama has them take affect in 10 years?" ~ ptif219​
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Amazingly enough, no, he doesn't.

"Yes but what good are cuts when Obama has them take affect in 10 years?" ~ ptif219​
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Obama wants very few cuts to take affect now but wants tax increases now. That is not a compromise that is a bad deal
 
ptif219 said:
Obama wants very few cuts to take affect now but wants tax increases now. That is not a compromise that is a bad deal
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But that's not what you said. You said:

"Yes but what good are cuts when Obama has them take affect in 10 years?" ~ ptif219​

You're only changing what you said now that your confusion was put in the spotlight.
 
I don't suppose ptif realizes that the republican's plans were over 10 years as well, does he?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
But that's not what you said. You said:

"Yes but what good are cuts when Obama has them take affect in 10 years?" ~ ptif219​

You're only changing what you said now that your confusion was put in the spotlight.
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No very little takes affect now. That is why the GOP is complaining most would take affect years down the road. Why not do the tax increases like that?
 
whysoserious said:
I don't suppose ptif realizes that the republican's plans were over 10 years as well, does he?
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The point is the GOP does not include tax hikes. The GOP would do more now for cutting than Obama wants
 
ptif219 said:
No very little takes affect now.
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That's not what you said either. You said:
"Yes but what good are cuts when Obama has them take affect in 10 years?" ~ ptif219​
You're only changing what you said now that your confusion was put in the spotlight.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
That's not what you said either. You said:
"Yes but what good are cuts when Obama has them take affect in 10 years?" ~ ptif219​
You're only changing what you said now that your confusion was put in the spotlight.
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The cuts do not happen completely for 10 years. There will be very few now under Obama
 
ptif219 said:
The cuts do not happen completely for 10 years. There will be very few now under Obama
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You're 0 for 3, that's not what you said either. You said:
"Yes but what good are cuts when Obama has them take affect in 10 years?" ~ ptif219​
You're only changing what you said now that your confusion was put in the spotlight.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
That's what I'm trying to figure out. Republicans were spending like crazy 10 years ago. They gave us record deficits (at that time), they repeatedly raised the debt limit to accommodate their increases to the national debt. Only now that we have a Democrat in the White House is debt a problem for them.

It certainly wasn't a problem for them as Reagan tripled the debt. They had no problem raising the debt ceiling 17 times to accommodate his spending.

And it certainly wasn't a problem for them as Bush doubled the debt. They had no problem raising the debt ceiling 7 times to accommodate his spending.

Republicans are largely to blame for the debt being as high as it is (60% of the debt came under Republican presidents) but it seemns to me they are now complaining about the mess they made in order to convince America that a Democrat in the White House is the problem.
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I'll ignore your lil b bopper fan … cause she never adds anything to the discussion

I'm not disagreeing with you …. the republicans have acted more like the Democrats in recent years .. spending like there is no tomorrow … well tomorrow has arrived ..

Now personally .. you or anyone can blame anyone you want … it doesn't change the facts of where we are … nearly 15 trillion dollars in debt .. and rising .. someone has to take a stand .. it clearly isn't going to be democrats .. we had 4 years of their spending and policy … and it certainly hasn't curbed spending now has it ???

I don't care why the republicans are taking a stand .. and you shouldn't either .. someone has to...... we can't keep going down this road of destruction. Obama and the Dems certainly are showing no signs of even slowing their spending (I'm sorry the new term is investing) If they are doing it because there is a Democrat in the white house or not .. I really don't care .. all I care about is someone is trying to do something about the debt and our deficit .. pointing fingers isn't going to get it done .. it's really as simple as that .

As for who controls the white house after 2012 … it doesn't really matter .. all the talk about who is going to win is a joke … . here is the simple fact .. the senate .. has 34 seats up for grabs in 2012 … 23 of them belong to democrats … 11 to republicans … a 50 / 50 split means Republicans take over the senate .. controlling the house and the senate .. means Obama is a lame duck …. and only has his veto powers ..
 
ptif219 said:
I guess you missed Obama threats to not pay SS checks in August
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It wasn't "threats", it was the honest reality. The Republicans are willing to hold the elderly and the disabled hostage in order to protect the pockets of the wealthiest. It should be clear to everyone which party represents which interests.
 
disneydude said:
It wasn't "threats", it was the honest reality. The Republicans are willing to hold the elderly and the disabled hostage in order to protect the pockets of the wealthiest. It should be clear to everyone which party represents which interests.
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Omg stop with the hysterics for once.... :lamo


how much money do we take in per month throught taxes?

Who is going to be paid by this money before the seniors, the veterans and the military?


FAIL.
 
disneydude said:
It wasn't "threats", it was the honest reality. The Republicans are willing to hold the elderly and the disabled hostage in order to protect the pockets of the wealthiest. It should be clear to everyone which party represents which interests.
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Not to mention that Republicans were willing to lose our credit rating, shake the world markets - wait, maybe not that one. Maybe once it became obvious that this could actually adversely affect THEIR wealth, the rusty wheels finally started turning.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Omg stop with the hysterics for once.... :lamo


how much money do we take in per month throught taxes?

Who is going to be paid by this money before the seniors, the veterans and the military?


FAIL.
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Sorry Rev.....I mean...Reverend Hellh0und.....you call it hysterics, the rest of it call it reality. The GOP refuses to cut the military and plays the fear card whenever it is proposed and yet, the military eats up over 50% of the total budget. So, you can't balance the budget on spending cuts alone....THAT is just the simple reality. But the GOP cannot stomach the thoughts of their millionaire and billionaire cohorts cutting back on their caviar and truffles....and they are willing to hold seniors, the disabled and the entire middle class hostage to ensure that they won't have to.
 
disneydude said:
Sorry Rev.....I mean...Reverend Hellh0und.....you call it hysterics, the rest of it call it reality. The GOP refuses to cut the military and plays the fear card whenever it is proposed and yet, the military eats up over 50% of the total budget. So, you can't balance the budget on spending cuts alone....THAT is just the simple reality. But the GOP cannot stomach the thoughts of their millionaire and billionaire cohorts cutting back on their caviar and truffles....and they are willing to hold seniors, the disabled and the entire middle class hostage to ensure that they won't have to.
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Caviar and truffles!!!!! :lamo


hysterics....


Why did you avoid answering my direct question? too hard to fit in with your agenda of deception....
 
disneydude said:
Sorry Rev.....I mean...Reverend Hellh0und.....you call it hysterics, the rest of it call it reality. The GOP refuses to cut the military and plays the fear card whenever it is proposed and yet, the military eats up over 50% of the total budget. So, you can't balance the budget on spending cuts alone....THAT is just the simple reality. But the GOP cannot stomach the thoughts of their millionaire and billionaire cohorts cutting back on their caviar and truffles....and they are willing to hold seniors, the disabled and the entire middle class hostage to ensure that they won't have to.
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Too true. The Republicans were perfectly willing to shove seniors over a cliff. Obama was just the messenger.
 
BDBoop said:
Too true. The Republicans were perfectly willing to shove seniors over a cliff. Obama was just the messenger.
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Messenger of what? deciet?


Tell me, given the amount of taxes collected each month, who will be paid before seniors, veterans, and military? Why is it none of you will touch this question with a 10 foot pole?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Messenger of what? deciet?


Tell me, given the amount of taxes collected each month, who will be paid before seniors, veterans, and military? Why is it none of you will touch this question with a 10 foot pole?
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Perhaps the position will have to be taken that NEARLY ALL of the remaining government income must be used to pay the deficit and nobody can be paid due to GOP refusal to extend the debt ceiling endangering our credit rating and worldwide economic stability. That would leave no monty to pay the people you listed.
 
haymarket said:
Perhaps the position will have to be taken that NEARLY ALL of the remaining government income must be used to pay the deficit and nobody can be paid due to GOP refusal to extend the debt ceiling endangering our credit rating and worldwide economic stability. That would leave no monty to pay the people you listed.
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Seems your president is backing off his claims. Maybe hurt his re-election chances. :shrug:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20079235-503544.html


that said, is there any coorborating opinion out there with your speculation? Do you really think your president would deprive seniors, veterans, and the military of pay in order to win a stalemate?


The republicans are standing hard on real cuts, not lip service and houdini cuts that amount to pissing in the ocean over 10 years. I agree with them and there stance on this one, we can't afford the government we built, it's time for real cuts.


And there is no way, Obama would withold checks from these folks given the amount of revenue we are taking in at this point. Remember we pay into SS as well, we well some of us like me served our nation, are owed as much as any debtor is owed. do you really think obama would make such an extremist choice?
 
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People like Reverend Hellh0und don't get it....they would rather engaging in their circular shuffle games than address the real issues.
 
disneydude said:
People like Reverend Hellh0und don't get it....they would rather engaging in their circular shuffle games than address the real issues.
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so SS will not be paid, this is in jeopardy by the 2nd? And Obama's hard demands if true, are not equally to blame as the republicans demands?
 
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