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Breaking: Obama Warns Cantor 'Don't Call My Bluff' As Debt Talks Stall

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Oh please. Republicans voted to raise the debt ceiling over a dozen times while Bush was president to the tune of 4 trillion dollars so that he could keep spending.

Your dog dudn't hunt.
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Current CBO projections predict that eight years of Obama will add more debt than Bush II, Bush I, Reagan, and Ford combined - and yes, that's correcting for GDP.
In 2010 alone, the increase in debt/GDP was 30% higher then Bush's entire first term.

The pace at which debt is being added is what is important, not the number of times the debt ceiling has been raised.
 
disneydude said:
Can you name even one compromise that the GOP has agreed to....even one?
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So you got nothing... meaning Obama and Democrats are still playing the "rope a dope" game.
 
Wrong. Obama and the Democrats have agreed to many spending cuts, not medicare itself, but cuts to many others. Can you name a single compromise by the Party of No? I highly doubt it.
 
disneydude said:
Wrong. Obama and the Democrats have agreed to many spending cuts, not medicare itself, but cuts to many others. Can you name a single compromise by the Party of No? I highly doubt it.
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How about you, can you? I highly doubt it.
 
disneydude said:
Once again....you either aren't paying attention or don't understand what "compromise" is. Obama has agreed to all kinds of spending cuts.....yet, Republicans refuse to agree to tax increases. Compromise has to come from both sides.....something that you and the GOP don't seem to understand. Compromise is not something that the party of no understands.
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Republicans have been willing to compromise on both cutting spending and adding tax revenue.

It is Obama that has been unable to compromise on the revenue side, demanding that any plan do so by raising taxes on the rich. This is irrational from a deficit reduction view, and only makes sense from a political point of view.
 
Taylor said:
Current CBO projections predict that eight years of Obama will add more debt than Bush II, Bush I, Reagan, and Ford combined - and yes, that's correcting for GDP.
In 2010 alone, the increase in debt/GDP was 30% higher then Bush's entire first term.

The pace at which debt is being added is what is important, not the number of times the debt ceiling has been raised.
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The debt under Bush nearly doubled and the debt limit was raised 7 times.

The debt under Reagan nearly tripled and the debt limit was raised 17 times.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
How about you, can you? I highly doubt it.
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I already have.....Obama and the Democrats have agreed to many spending cuts.......can you name one area the GOP has compromised....are as usual are you going to engage in your circular shuffling?
 
Taylor said:
Republicans have been willing to compromise on both cutting spending and adding tax revenue.

It is Obama that has been unable to compromise on the revenue side, demanding that any plan do so by raising taxes on the rich. This is irrational from a deficit reduction view, and only makes sense from a political point of view.
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Oh really? What have the GOP agreed to on adding tax revenue?
 
disneydude said:
I already have.....Obama and the Democrats have agreed to many spending cuts.......can you name one area the GOP has compromised....are as usual are you going to engage in your circular shuffling?
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Didn't they campaign on spending cuts? how is it a compromise to agree to do what you promised to do? fail.
 
disneydude said:
Wrong. Obama and the Democrats have agreed to many spending cuts, not medicare itself, but cuts to many others. Can you name a single compromise by the Party of No? I highly doubt it.
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Not medicare itself... not social security itself... YET:

RAW STORY via Reuters said:
Obama will propose cuts in Social Security and major reductions in Medicare, which mark a major shift for the White House, The Washington Post reported late on Wednesday, citing people in both parties with knowledge of the proposal.

In exchange, Obama would seek Republican support for increasing tax revenues, the Post reported.
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Republicans have offered loopholes in as far as Obama has offered Medicare/Social Security. :shrug: So don't start throwing Medicare and Social Security cuts around when you and I both know that's as much BS as Republicans saying they've got Taxes on the table.
 
donsutherland1 said:
In fact, perhaps in part due to those very same loud elements on the sidelines, the opportunity for a "grand bargain" that was perhaps within reach, one that would have resulted in far more deficit reduction than is now likely, has been lost. Those loud elements wanted even more concessions than what is politically feasible at the time. Some of them wanted nothing less than total capitulation to their increasingly theological terms.
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That is what most of America is reacting to. The bolded bit.
 
disneydude said:
I already have.....Obama and the Democrats have agreed to many spending cuts.......can you name one area the GOP has compromised....are as usual are you going to engage in your circular shuffling?
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Exactly. There have been anywhere from 1.5 to 2.3 TRILLION in deep cuts, on the table, at any given time, and the republicans fold their arms and jut their chins. No ciento.

**** you very much, congress critters.
 
BDBoop said:
Exactly. There have been anywhere from 1.5 to 2.3 TRILLION in deep cuts, on the table, at any given time, and the republicans fold their arms and jut their chins. No ciento.

**** you very much, congress critters.
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A drop in the ocean. I've seen the total U.S. debt obligation between 50 Trillion and 60 Trillion dollars depending on what source is being used and when the numbers were collected. Even with 14 Trillion in debt as of today, the 2.3 Trillion in "deep cuts" over the next 10 years, the U.S. will have added 5x that amount of debt.

No... the answer is no ciento exactly. Balance the budget Obama, produce a budget that lives up to your rhetoric - oh that's right you CAN'T because you're too busy trying to look good and get re-elected.
 
repeter said:
1Perry, you really need to realize that absolutism/extremism is not the answer.

We can mince words all we want, but at the end of the day, there is really no point for you to even come on DP if all you're doing is telling everyone they're wrong. The point of a debate, in this context, is to come to some sort of a compromise, and you completely undermine that fundamental. You're a lot like Cantor, in this respect, and you don't realize that what you're saying, if implemented, would devastate the lives of millions of Americans, and through extension, hundreds of millions of people.
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No, the point of debate is to first define the problems you are debating. The problems are many, convoluted, and disparitive, and this is why our media, with tacit approval from our politicians, are so easily able to confuse the masses. We have a spending problem, we have a increase in federal government problem, we have an unemployment problem, we have a welfare problem, we have entitlement problems, we have a regulatory problem, we have confusion over the division of government responsibility problem, we have a subsidy problem, we have a corruption problem.. The list is immense and no single solution will fix it all, and I fear that both factions of the federal government are trying to band-aid it all at once with these talks. In the instant issue, the debt, we need to make a stand at one of these problems, and that is spending.. It has to stop NOW.. It's time to cut, NOT spend, and any deal that increases the debt ceiling is a losing proposition for our futures.


Tim-
 
Hicup said:
In the instant issue, the debt, we need to make a stand at one of these problems, and that is spending.. It has to stop NOW.. It's time to cut, NOT spend, and any deal that increases the debt ceiling is a losing proposition for our futures.

Tim-
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Hi Tim. How come Conservatives didn't feel this way back in the 2000's when Bush and the Republican-led Congress were generating record-setting deficits for years, increasing the debt ceiling repeatedly, and on their way to nearly doubling the debt?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Hi Tim. How come Conservatives didn't feel this way back in the 2000's when Bush and the Republican-led Congress were generating record-setting deficits for years, increasing the debt ceiling repeatedly, and on their way to nearly doubling the debt?
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Because they wanted to be like Liberals, gather more control, consolidate more power and expand government because they thought they could out liberal the liberals. Oh how wrong they are/were...
 
Ockham said:
A drop in the ocean. I've seen the total U.S. debt obligation between 50 Trillion and 60 Trillion dollars depending on what source is being used and when the numbers were collected. Even with 14 Trillion in debt as of today, the 2.3 Trillion in "deep cuts" over the next 10 years, the U.S. will have added 5x that amount of debt.
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Ok, so it's not that Democrats haven't compromised, it's that Democrats have not compromised enough to satisfy you.

Still, they compromised.

Where is that on the Republican side of the aisle?
 
Ockham said:
Because they wanted to be like Liberals, gather more control, consolidate more power and expand government because they thought they could out liberal the liberals. Oh how wrong they are/were...
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Conservatives wanted to be like Liberals? Since when??
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Hi Tim. How come Conservatives didn't feel this way back in the 2000's when Bush and the Republican-led Congress were generating record-setting deficits for years, increasing the debt ceiling repeatedly, and on their way to nearly doubling the debt?
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Right you are, Ken! I do wonder.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Ok, so it's not that Democrats haven't compromised, it's that Democrats have not compromised enough to satisfy you.
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A very nice strawman... congratulations!

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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Still, they compromised.

Where is that on the Republican side of the aisle?
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So where's the specifics of medicare and social security compromises that are, according to Obama, on the table? Oh, that's right... there are no specifics. :roll:
 
Not really worried about a shutdown at this time. Have been 17 shutdowns since 1976 ranging from 1 day to 21 days. We managed to get through them and prosper with no damage. Some of you were probably born within the last 35 yrs. and the memory of them are absent.

When bluffing, never let your opponent know you are bluffing. Typical mistake of an novice.
 
Has Obama already cut 500 B from medicare? Oh, it was to help pay for Obamacare.
 
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