ObamaCare Puts Big Dent in Hiring

ObamaCare’s implementation is causing many employers across the country to think twice about hiring as they consider the impact of its rules and regulations.

More than 3,500 pages of regulations have been penned since the law passed... and their impact is already being felt.

One of the companies Alexander spoke with told him that the regulatory changes that followed ObamaCare’s passage ate all of its profits from last year, while another company said it slashed its workforce from 90 employees down to 70 per store.

Businesses are uncertain about the costs and the regulations... many are finding it is cheaper to hire part-time workers to get around having to offer health insurance...

“The overall regulatory burden falls hard on small businesses that have seen their health care premiums increase by more than 10% under ObamaCare,”... costs are expected to increase further in 2014 once the employer mandate takes effect in 2014.

According to Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates, employers will likely face nearly $52 billion in tax penalties between 2014 and 2019, which... will “reduce business growth and hiring.”

The same CBO report found that approximately 650,000 mainly lower-paid and lower-skilled workers could find themselves out of a job as a result of the health care law’s implementation during the second half of the decade.


Pitts sees particular problems for smaller businesses that will be hit harder by the law’s regulatory bite than larger business that are flush with cash. “I believe you can’t put a mandate on a business like ours unless you know that an industry can actually pay for it, and without a doubt, this industry cannot pay for it,” Scott Womack, who owns 11 IHOP restaurants in the Midwest... “This legislation is going to cost anywhere from $7,000 to 10,000 per employee. … We’re going to have to take drastic actions to trim employees' hours down, to trim services, look at cutting a lot of things that we pay for now to make room for this.”

ObamaCare Puts Big Dent in Hiring - HUMAN EVENTS

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As usual for Socialist Legislation... they kick those most in need in the teeth when trying to "help" them.

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The problem isn't socialist legislation, the problem is stupid legislation. Socialist legislation would have removed the burden of providing health care from businesses altogether.

atrasicarius said:

The problem isn't socialist legislation, the problem is stupid legislation. Socialist legislation would have removed the burden of providing health care from businesses altogether.

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Yeah... social engineering in our Medical Services... government dictating who should buy what, who should provide what, who should pay for what, who will be subsidized for what... is stupid.

It would be nice if they left the free market sort these things out. It's more flexible, and it's in the interest of consumers... as quality would both improve, and costs would be lower.

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But wasn't this bill supposed to create jobs?

tessaesque said:

But wasn't this bill supposed to create jobs?

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That's what Pelosi said...

Pelosi: ObamaCare to Create Millions of Jobs - Perspective - PatriotPost.US

"Four million jobs will be created by the legislation when it is fully in effect. ... [T]his year, the biggest growth in jobs in our economy has been in health care jobs." --House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), repeating a dubious claim

Earlier this year, Congressional Budget Office Director Doug Elmendorf estimated that ObamaCare will cost 800,000 jobs.

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tessaesque said:

But wasn't this bill supposed to create jobs?

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Only food stamps and unemployment assistance can create jobs. [/sarc]

Ockham said:

Only food stamps and unemployment assistance can create jobs. [/sarc]

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Well, straw men and sarcasm definitely don't create jobs.

Deuce said:

Well, straw men and sarcasm definitely don't create jobs.

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That wasn't a strawman. You know very well Nancy Pelosi said those things - do you really want me to whip out the quotes and links to them? No I didn't think so.

Regarding sarcasm... sometimes we have to use the tools that are most effective. Facts certainly don't appear effective... maybe John Stewart has it right. Make fun of people and criticize them into submission. It's worth a shot.

zimmer said:

As usual for Socialist Legislation... they kick those most in need in the teeth when trying to "help" them.

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There are a few things I question about this report, specifically because it comes from a website that in no way, shape, or form would never write a positive story about the healthcare bill.

First it talks about how apparently this senator met with a bunch of "chain restaurants" and one of them said it ate into "all of their profits". I find that highly questionable.

Next a guy claims that he went from 90 to 70 employees at one of his fast food stores. So perhaps this guy just has the busiest ****ing McDonalds in the world, but that would mean that every single shift he had at least 30 employees at a time, and now he "only" has 23-24 per shift? I have never worked at a McDonalds but if I had to guess, there is a manager, 2 on cash, 2 on drive thru, 4 on drive thru making food, 4 on in the store making food, 1 person doing fries, a clean up person, another manager, and then there would be a couple that just I guess stand around or prepare food?

The rest of this is rhetoric, hearsay, and a bunch of Republicans and Republican funded organizations claiming that the health care act is killing America. Sorry, unimpressed.

High on rhetoric low on facts.

Hey, I've talked to 3 business owners who said that they will be hiring people because of the healthcare reform. They'd hire even more if their were a single-payer option. Don't you just love how unsubstantiated hearsay works?

From the article:

“I know for a fact that the mandates in ObamaCare are discouraging the creation of new jobs,” said Tennessee GOP Sen. Lamar Alexander, the third-highest-ranking member of the Senate Republican leadership. “And I will be specific. I met with the chief executives of the chain restaurants in America, who are the largest employer in America after the federal government—especially of those who are low-income.”

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The article continues:

The same CBO report found that approximately 650,000 mainly lower-paid and lower-skilled workers could find themselves out of a job as a result of the health care law’s implementation during the second half of the decade.

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So, we are talking worst case scenario there will be less minimum wage jobs at joints like Burger King and Hardees due to the Healthcare Reform Bill. The article mentions no impact at all to any jobs other than very low wage jobs. For example, when my company had its annual healthcare coverage meeting this year, the topic of health care reform came up, and we were told that it was having no effect at all on our coverage or costs because the mandated coverage levels were far lower than what most companies provide their employees anyway.

What is it with you hardcore right wingers? It seems the only jobs you guys care about are jobs that pay nothing to begin with. The fact is, a slave has a job. What people want are jobs that they can actually earn a living from.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, in fact I think that most "conspiracies" are simply things are things working out at the end of a long formula: a+b+c+d=conspiracy. That being said, one has to wonder whether the Dems true play is and always has been to keep the workng man down while telling him that they are lifting him up. Consider the factions of policial power in the U.S. in terms of supporting bases. Races aside, you have class warfare to feed off of a powerful political tool. The Dem's squawk "It's the rich corporate man keeping you down working class! We have to go after the rich! It's thier fault you are poor!"

Republicans on the other hand, appeal to the middle and upper classes (although Dem's also appeal to a portion of the upper class). So, it stands to reason that if working class people become middle class people through economic mobility, the Democrats stand to lose a powerbase. For anyone who supports liberal programs in their current state, please name one that actually works to provide upward mobility.

Plain and simple the only thing that can allow an individual to reach beyond himself is putting a job in front of him, encouraging him to accel at his job, and then provide jobs to other people. Growth of the private sector is the key to employement, thus the key to class mobility and sustainability. I don't think that Dems purposefully keep people in holes, I believe in fact that they have a severe sincerity in trying to help people. But the only way they maintain their strongest voting base is with people in holes.

Obamacare is simply another example on a system that burdens businesses almost as much as burdens individuals, and another tool to keep people in the garbage dump.

toddwv said:

High on rhetoric low on facts.

Hey, I've talked to 3 business owners who said that they will be hiring people because of the healthcare reform. They'd hire even more if their were a single-payer option. Don't you just love how unsubstantiated hearsay works?

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Well that certainly settles it. Todd from W. VA. talked to 3 business owners that are going to hire because of ObamaCare. I'm thinkin no further evidence is required. :roll:

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atrasicarius said:

The problem isn't socialist legislation, the problem is stupid legislation. Socialist legislation would have removed the burden of providing health care from businesses altogether.

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How so?.........

JohnWOlin said:

There are a few things I question about this report, specifically because it comes from a website that in no way, shape, or form would never write a positive story about the healthcare bill.

First it talks about how apparently this senator met with a bunch of "chain restaurants" and one of them said it ate into "all of their profits". I find that highly questionable.

Next a guy claims that he went from 90 to 70 employees at one of his fast food stores. So perhaps this guy just has the busiest ****ing McDonalds in the world, but that would mean that every single shift he had at least 30 employees at a time, and now he "only" has 23-24 per shift? I have never worked at a McDonalds but if I had to guess, there is a manager, 2 on cash, 2 on drive thru, 4 on drive thru making food, 4 on in the store making food, 1 person doing fries, a clean up person, another manager, and then there would be a couple that just I guess stand around or prepare food?

The rest of this is rhetoric, hearsay, and a bunch of Republicans and Republican funded organizations claiming that the health care act is killing America. Sorry, unimpressed.

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If the government makes it more expensive to hire and employee, companies are going to make-do with fewer employees. It ain't rocket science.

toddwv said:

High on rhetoric low on facts.

Hey, I've talked to 3 business owners who said that they will be hiring people because of the healthcare reform. They'd hire even more if their were a single-payer option. Don't you just love how unsubstantiated hearsay works?

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Especially in your post. :lamo

zimmer said:

As usual for Socialist Legislation... they kick those most in need in the teeth when trying to "help" them.

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Yes.

Government forcing citizens to buy a private product is socialism.

Anything else you'd like to redefine today?

It's amazing the level of rhetoric that you feel you need to employ... When i oppose it also, but have well structured, decent argument which is that it is unconstitutional, and the commerce clause does not allow for something like this.

But we are sorry to interrupt, now back to your regular scheduled partisan talking points programming.

Deuce said:

Well, straw men and sarcasm definitely don't create jobs.

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If they did, we'd have no unemployment. Most of us would have two or three jobs, in fact.

The problem with "Obamacare" is that it does not take the burden of providing health insurance from the employer, nor does it reduce costs. In fact, it may do just the opposite.

Our expensive health care "system" is bankrupting individuals, employers, and the government. It is not sustainable for much longer. It already consumes more than twice as much as all federal government spending excluding health care spending, and is continuing to increase in cost.

Dittohead not! said:

If they did, we'd have no unemployment. Most of us would have two or three jobs, in fact.

The problem with "Obamacare" is that it does not take the burden of providing health insurance from the employer, nor does it reduce costs. In fact, it may do just the opposite.

Our expensive health care "system" is bankrupting individuals, employers, and the government. It is not sustainable for much longer. It already consumes more than twice as much as all federal government spending excluding health care spending, and is continuing to increase in cost.

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Exactly. Which is why the public option would have been better, and a single payer system better yet. What conservatives forget, IMHO, is that their efforts at fighting reform is what is most responsible for the poor bill we currently have. They could have tried to help by demonizing less, being more turthful and actually trying to forge something more effective.

BTW, do we have any reason to think this artical is the comprehensive and final word on this?

TOJ said:

Well that certainly settles it. Todd from W. VA. talked to 3 business owners that are going to hire because of ObamaCare. I'm thinkin no further evidence is required. :roll:

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Personally I was rather shocked to read that ... I didn't think there were 3 successful liberal business owners in W. VA.

Boo Radley said:

Exactly. Which is why the public option would have been better, and a single payer system better yet. What conservatives forget, IMHO, is that their efforts at fighting reform is what is most responsible for the poor bill we currently have. They could have tried to help by demonizing less, being more turthful and actually trying to forge something more effective.

BTW, do we have any reason to think this artical is the comprehensive and final word on this?

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Shakes head … just the usual sh*t from you .. It's republicans fault for the poor bill, even tho they had NO part in writing it .. NO part of the input into it .. and were basically told that hey it's our way .. or get the F**K out of the room .. But hey .. it's there fault .. cause we all know the liberals never can take responsibility for a damn thing .

TOJ said:

Well that certainly settles it. Todd from W. VA. talked to 3 business owners that are going to hire because of ObamaCare. I'm thinkin no further evidence is required. :roll:

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True, but that's probably 3 more than zimmer talked to.

The Barbarian said:

cause we all know the liberals never can take responsibility for a damn thing .

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I've never seen either side take responsibility if they can deflect it. Cons have been trying to fault liberals for Reagan's deficits for a while now.

zimmer said:

Yeah... social engineering in our Medical Services... government dictating who should buy what, who should provide what, who should pay for what, who will be subsidized for what... is stupid.

It would be nice if they left the free market sort these things out. It's more flexible, and it's in the interest of consumers... as quality would both improve, and costs would be lower.

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You think the repubs want a freemarket?

The Barbarian said:

Shakes head … just the usual sh*t from you .. It's republicans fault for the poor bill, even tho they had NO part in writing it .. NO part of the input into it .. and were basically told that hey it's our way .. or get the F**K out of the room .. But hey .. it's there fault .. cause we all know the liberals never can take responsibility for a damn thing .

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No, it is both their fault, but you can't excuse republicans for their lack of effort for anything more than misinformation. If you're big on taking responsibility, let me see you hold republicans responsible for what they are responsible for. Lead the way. :coffeepap