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Obama Administration Passes DREAM ACT by Executive Memo

Redress said:
1) You should always read your source material. Quoting some one talking about the source material tends to be misleading.

2) I already mentioned this right here in this very thread

3) Nothing in the memo is the DREAM Act

4) The memo states that resources are limited, and as such, should not be used to prosecute certain people, which does include veterans and students, but also people here since birth, pregnant women, victims of human trafficking, children, and also stipulates who should be prosecuted, including those who are gang members, a risk to national security, repeat offenders, and so on.

5) So in other words, you are exactly right, except for almost every single detail being wrong. This is not the DREAM Act, it is not from an EO or Executive memo, and all it does is discuss who is a priority to prosecute.
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You're scratching hard, to cover for The One. :lamo
 
Redress said:
You did not read the whole document either. It is still not the DREAM Act, it is still nothing more than a routine explanation of priorities for limited dollars to prosecute.
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Actually I did. The bulleted points sure look like the Dream Act to me.
 
apdst said:
You're scratching hard, to cover for The One. :lamo
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No, everything I stated is 100 % factually correct. The OP source is not. This is not the DREAM Act. There is no route to citizenship in this. I cannot find even where this came directly from the president, and it does not appear to be from either an EO or Executive memo.
 
Misterveritis said:
Actually I did. The bulleted points sure look like the Dream Act to me.
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Except that there are alot of other bullet points, and that it does not do what the DREAM Act proposed.
 
Redress said:
1) You should always read your source material. Quoting some one talking about the source material tends to be misleading.

2) I already mentioned this right here in this very thread

3) Nothing in the memo is the DREAM Act

4) The memo states that resources are limited, and as such, should not be used to prosecute certain people, which does include veterans and students, but also people here since birth, pregnant women, victims of human trafficking, children, and also stipulates who should be prosecuted, including those who are gang members, a risk to national security, repeat offenders, and so on.

5) So in other words, you are exactly right, except for almost every single detail being wrong. This is not the DREAM Act, it is not from an EO or Executive memo, and all it does is discuss who is a priority to prosecute.
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Verbose answer to counter points I never made. Was linking what the claim was to the source it (the claim) was basing it's contention.



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Redress said:
Except that there are alot of other bullet points, and that it does not do what the DREAM Act proposed.
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And your point is? The bottom line is that ICE is not going to enforce federal law. So the states must do the job. And the Federal government be damned.
 
Misterveritis said:
And your point is? The bottom line is that ICE is not going to enforce federal law. So the states must do the job. And the Federal government be damned.
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No, that is not what the memo says. What the memo says is that they cannot afford to prosecute every case in court, and gives guidelines for who to prioritize and who not to.
 
Misterveritis said:
And your point is? The bottom line is that ICE is not going to enforce federal law. So the states must do the job. And the Federal government be damned.
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Well the illegal immigrant population must think that is just "dreamy".......:2razz:
 
Cole said:
Well the illegal immigrant population must think that is just "dreamy".......:2razz:
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Not necessarily. This is basically already done and has been for some time. Discretion allows government enforcement against illegal aliens certain possibilities, ranging from letting them go, to deporting them, to prosecuting and jailing them. Doing the latter to all illegals caught is expensive, and has never been done.

Also, let me quote from the memo:

As there is no right to the favorable exercise of discretion by the agency, nothing in this memorandum should be construed to prohibit the apprehension, detention, or removal of any alien unlawfully in the United States or to limit the legal authority of ICE or any of its personnel to enforce federal immigration law. Similarly, this memorandum, which may be modified, superseded, or rescinded at any time without notice, is not intended to, does not, and may not be relied upon to create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law by any party in any administrative, civil, or criminal matter.
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Redress said:
Then show me the executive order.
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The link to the Executive Order is right there in the HotAir article, second paragraph under "the new memo".

The memo didn't come from the White House. It came from the Director of ICE, and it's consistent with immigration policy from the past going as far back as 1973. The problem, as the ICE Director puts it, is the agency doesn't have the resources, i.e., manpower and detention facilities, to prosecute every illegal alien they catch. The memo didn't say that ICE would shirk its duties in apprehending illegal aliens, however. It merely stated that it will focus its attention in those areas vital to our national security interests, i.e., drug trafficers, arms smugglers, individuals on terrorist watch lists, etc., and make decision who to prosecute based on various circumstances which it has the authority to do. (See pages 4 and 5 of the memo for more details)

I understand people's frustration, mistrust or even anger in this matter, but ICE isn't doing anything here they haven't been doing for over 3 decades. Moreover, even the Supreme Court has ruled in favor of some resident aliens with questionable immigration status and allowed them to stay based on various circumstances as outlined in pages 4 and 5 of the memo, i.e., their "ties" to family, work history, U.S. military affiliation, etc. But yes, in a manner of speaking this ICE Director's memo is a "go-around" Congress, but it's not inconsistent with the agency's "presecutorial discretion" practices of the past.
 
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Objective Voice said:
The link to the Executive Order is right there in the HotAir article, second paragraph under "the new memo".
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Just so no one is confused: that is not an EO nor an Executive Memo. It did not come from Obama, is not signed by Obama. Whether he ordered it or not is unknown, but I think unlikely since it is just clarification of policy as it has been.
 
Redress said:
No, that is not what the memo says. What the memo says is that they cannot afford to prosecute every case in court, and gives guidelines for who to prioritize and who not to.
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Yep. So consider not prosecuting people who meet the requirements laid out in the failed act.
This memo is from the top. So it isn't guidance so much as it is direction.

The states do have options. Every state which is so inclined can pass laws that make it illegal to hire, or help illegal aliens. When businesses lose their licenses because they hired illegal immigrants there is not so much demand for them. And they drive away to Tennessee or California. Or someoher state that has failed, is about to fail or will fail.
 
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Objective Voice said:
Redress,

You can relax, pardna...I already said that. ;)
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I understand that. I just wanted to make it clear to others reading that it was not an EO. As this thread shows, actual research is not done by enough people.
 
Redress said:
If it happened, it should be listed here. Where is it on this page?

Also, note I said mistaken, and reporting on a WND story. None of that is a conspiracy. Don't build that straw man.
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Post #1 says Executive Memo. The one term president Obama has henchmen.
 
It's such a non-story, such a non-event that this is happening:

The Republican chairman of the House Judiciary Committee is crafting a bill that would temporarily freeze the Obama administration’s power to grant amnesty to illegal immigrants.

The measure is in response to a memo issued by the head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) last week that approved a broader breadth of discretion for agency officials when considering whether to deport someone through the Secure Communities program.

Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas), who is sponsoring the legislation, blasted the memo. He said that under the new guidelines ICE agents could defer the deportations of “millions of deportable illegal and criminal immigrants.”
“The Obama administration cannot continue to pick and choose which laws it will enforce,” said Smith in a statement. “It is outrageous that they have put illegal immigrants and their liberal political base ahead of the American people.”
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Bill would freeze Obama admin's power to grant amnesty to illegal immigrants - TheHill.com
 
JohnWOlin said:
So can someone please tell me why it says the DREAM Act was passed by executive memo? Usually lies come from a truth or half-truth.
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Do you understand that there is a difference between an executive memo and an executive order?

All these folks been looking on the list of executive orders, for an executive memo, all evening! :lamo
 
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