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Top Dem picks Huntsman

xpiher said:
The reason Huntsman is being endorsed as a republican candidate by Reid is because Huntsman isn't a ring-wing nut job. It has nothing to do with dissatisfaction with Obama and everything to do with worry that the GOP will nominate someone who is far right who may have a chance of beating Obama. The last thing a Dem wants is an ever more social-right republican in the white house than Bush W

We have to accpet that the reason most people self-identify as liberal is because of the GOP stance on all civil rights issues. The more libertarian leaning republican that join the republican team, the more people will identify themselves as Republican-Libertarian.



About as much of a connection there is a connection between Reagan and Obama



The Dream Act states that if you are an illegal that has been in the country since the age of 13, go to college and do well, or join the military and honor your obligation, you get moved to the front of the line for citizenship. How is that a horrible mess?.
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Reid endorses him because Huntsman is a liberal and the family connection
 
Spaceman_Spiff said:
What does it matter that members of the Huntsman family supported Senator Reid, and yet Jon Huntsman, Jr. himself did not? Not all family members will think the same way, of that I can attest to personally. Thus this is nothing more than a silly, and quite frankly pathetic, attempt that you are trying to frame Jon Huntsman as a supporter of Harry Reid's simply through association of what his family members did.

What too does it matter that Governor Huntsman nominated Harry Reid's son to be on the Board of Regents at the University of Utah? Do you have even a shred of evidence that Huntsman did this as a form of political patronage or is it just another one of your claims that you pulled out of thin air?

Count me in as a liberal that would gladly vote for Huntsman were he to win the Republican nomination, though from the looks of this thread the fringe elements will ensure that that choice will not be possible.
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So you think his family has no influence on him? You think he never calls his dad for advice? Nominating a liberals son when you are a GOP is a sure sign you have no connection to the liberal HAHAHAHAHA
 
ptif219 said:
So you think his family has no influence on him? You think he never calls his dad for advice? Nominating a liberals son when you are a GOP is a sure sign you have no connection to the liberal HAHAHAHAHA
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Hmmm do you think Palin's husband has any influence on Sarah Palin?

Remember he wants Alaska to secede from the Union.
 
ptif219 said:
I don't see that happening and don't see it as an issue.
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Translation: Liberals are evil and Sarah Palin is the second coming.

As much as I hate to quote Maddow : IOKIYAR. It's OK If You're A Republican.
 
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Zyphlin said:
I'm not going in another direction. You proved she paid for her spending...by RAISING TAXES. Huntsman paid for his spending through getting through legislation that made his state more friendly to business, causing his states GDP to grow by an average of 8.5% compared to Palin's 1.5% growth.

One person paid for their extra spending through growth of the private sector, one person paid for their extra spending through taxing a company. However, we're to understand that the first one is a "moderate who leans left" and the other is someone whose a conservative.
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Don't forget that Alaska is one of the most subsidized states in the Union. Without massive federal spending, Alaska would be far worse off. It would be interesting to extract the impact of federal dollars upon Alaska's economy to see just how much growth actually occurred under Palin via the private sector.
 
ptif219 said:
So you think his family has no influence on him? You think he never calls his dad for advice? Nominating a liberals son when you are a GOP is a sure sign you have no connection to the liberal HAHAHAHAHA
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No, I will give the benefit of the doubt to Governor Huntsman that he possesses a thought process capable of making decisions on his own without the outside interference of anyone else. His family may have influenced him, but I have yet to see any evidence that he has to use his family members as a crutch because he is incapable of making decisions on his own. If you do have any evidence, then by all means share it. I doubt you have a single thing, though.

Also, I never said that there was not a connection between Huntsman and Reid. All I was asking for was evidence that Huntsman selected Reid's son for reasons beside merit, but again you have nothing to prove the claim you are accusing Huntsman of. That seems to be a running theme with your posts.
 
Spaceman_Spiff said:
No, I will give the benefit of the doubt to Governor Huntsman that he possesses a thought process capable of making decisions on his own without the outside interference of anyone else. His family may have influenced him, but I have yet to see any evidence that he has to use his family members as a crutch because he is incapable of making decisions on his own. If you do have any evidence, then by all means share it. I doubt you have a single thing, though.

Also, I never said that there was not a connection between Huntsman and Reid. All I was asking for was evidence that Huntsman selected Reid's son for reasons beside merit, but again you have nothing to prove the claim you are accusing Huntsman of. That seems to be a running theme with your posts.
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I am sure Reid and Huntsman would make that public. HAHAHAHA
 
Huntsman has 3 strikes against him towards getting the GOP nomination

1. He's Mormon - the Evangelicals would rather have a muslim candidate than a mormon. Evangelicals despise Mormons with incredible passion and will do everything they can to make sure that a Mormon is not the candidate.

2. He's a moderate - The base of the Republican party will never choose a moderate candidate....at least not in the next couple of decades.

3. He's not a right-wing wacko - The base of the party would rather have someone who will advance their radical big government social agenda, than a fiscal conservative.
 
disneydude said:
Huntsman has 3 strikes against him towards getting the GOP nomination

1. He's Mormon - the Evangelicals would rather have a muslim candidate than a mormon. Evangelicals despise Mormons with incredible passion and will do everything they can to make sure that a Mormon is not the candidate.

2. He's a moderate - The base of the Republican party will never choose a moderate candidate....at least not in the next couple of decades.

3. He's not a right-wing wacko - The base of the party would rather have someone who will advance their radical big government social agenda, than a fiscal conservative.
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You are part right except the GOP has moved left and has left the conservatives behind. The tea party is trying to bring the party back to its conservative values.
 
ptif219 said:
I am sure Reid and Huntsman would make that public. HAHAHAHA
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So then your answer is that you have no proof of any of the accusations you have made thus far in this thread. I had that inkling that you did not, but now I know for sure.

Beyond this post do not respond to my posts unless you are going to answer the questions I have previously asked you. At least this way we will both save ourselves a lot of time.
 
ptif219 said:
You are part right except the GOP has moved left and has left the conservatives behind. The tea party is trying to bring the party back to its conservative values.
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No even close....to suggest such is laughable. The GOP has moved so extreme right over the last two decades that the party is completely out of the mainstream of America.
 
I'm going to laugh if Huntsman wins, gets in office, and along with the Congress redoes the tax code into a flat tax type of situtaion that reduces taxes on everyone to some degree including "the rich", removes restrictive regulation on businesses through business friendly laws/regulation/agency heads, appoints conservative judges that believe in a right to life, chooses to secure the border first before even trying to talk about some kind of "path to citizenship", signs the repeal of Obamacare and then signs a Republican backed reform focused on market incentives and working through private sector solutions, impliments greater choice in education through a voucher program, and significantly cuts the budget and reforms entitlements similar to the Ryan plan.

And when it happens watching some of the liberals who rant about how "extreme" the "right" has got over the past few years start saying Huntsman went off the deep end and is just a stereotypical extreme republican whose out of touch with the main stream who changed significantly since becoming President....

Despite the fact that earlier they were calling him a moderate and a sensable person and someone the "extreme" right would never vote for even though he had done or stated his support for every one of the type of things listed above.
 
Zyphlin said:
I'm going to laugh if Huntsman wins, gets in office, and along with the Congress redoes the tax code into a flat tax type of situtaion that reduces taxes on everyone to some degree including "the rich", removes restrictive regulation on businesses through business friendly laws/regulation/agency heads, appoints conservative judges that believe in a right to life, chooses to secure the border first before even trying to talk about some kind of "path to citizenship", signs the repeal of Obamacare and then signs a Republican backed reform focused on market incentives and working through private sector solutions, impliments greater choice in education through a voucher program, and significantly cuts the budget and reforms entitlements similar to the Ryan plan.

And when it happens watching some of the liberals who rant about how "extreme" the "right" has got over the past few years start saying Huntsman went off the deep end and is just a stereotypical extreme republican whose out of touch with the main stream who changed significantly since becoming President....

Despite the fact that earlier they were calling him a moderate and a sensable person and someone the "extreme" right would never vote for even though he had done or stated his support for every one of the type of things listed above.
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Problem with your scenario is twofold - Huntsman would not appoint judges in the Alito/Roberts vein, he's more likely to appoint people like Kennedy or O'Connor. He has a proven record on not cowtowing to the extremist right-wing social agenda.

Second problem.....he way to reasonable for the radical base of the party and he's mormon....the evangelicals will never let it happen.
 
Like I said before

Voting for Obama is like shooting yourself in the head

Voting for Romney or Huntsman is liking shooting yourself in the foot
 
disneydude said:
Problem with your scenario is twofold - Huntsman would not appoint judges in the Alito/Roberts vein, he's more likely to appoint people like Kennedy or O'Connor.
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I'm not honestly sure that's true. I could honestly see him going either direction or somewhere in between them. That said, he's publicly stated a belief in the right to life so I think we wouldn't be seeing a justice from him that isn't likely to weight in against Roe v Wade should the issue ever come back up.

Second problem.....he way to reasonable for the radical base of the party and he's mormon....the evangelicals will never let it happen.
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That's a problem with him possibly getting the nomination, its not a problem with him doing all the things I said above and me enjoying watching all the liberals likely whining about how he "changed" at that point into the "extreme" of his party
 
Zyphlin said:
I'm going to laugh if Huntsman wins, gets in office, and along with the Congress redoes the tax code into a flat tax type of situtaion that reduces taxes on everyone to some degree including "the rich", removes restrictive regulation on businesses through business friendly laws/regulation/agency heads, appoints conservative judges that believe in a right to life, chooses to secure the border first before even trying to talk about some kind of "path to citizenship", signs the repeal of Obamacare and then signs a Republican backed reform focused on market incentives and working through private sector solutions, impliments greater choice in education through a voucher program, and significantly cuts the budget and reforms entitlements similar to the Ryan plan.

And when it happens watching some of the liberals who rant about how "extreme" the "right" has got over the past few years start saying Huntsman went off the deep end and is just a stereotypical extreme republican whose out of touch with the main stream who changed significantly since becoming President....

Despite the fact that earlier they were calling him a moderate and a sensable person and someone the "extreme" right would never vote for even though he had done or stated his support for every one of the type of things listed above.
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Dream the dream Z, he wins, he might do the tax code and some good things, he'll also just "reform" Obamacare a little bit more, push amnesty for illegals and sign on to the next Kyoto.
 
MrVicchio said:
he'll also just "reform" Obamacare a little bit more
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Not a chance unless we lose badly during the congressional election, which is unusual to occur when you win the Presidential election. He was willing to sign into law a reform package in Utah that was very similar to the type of style Republicans want, there's no reason to think he'd Veto a repeal of Obamacare nor is there any reason to believe that a republican heavy congress wouldn't vote to repeal it with Obama out of the office.

He may prefer a different one, but history and action rather than rhetoric shows he's absolutely fine with backing and signing reform that looks like what the Republicans want.

push amnesty for illegals
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Would go directly against a statement he made prior to running for office where he stated we must secure the border first. If he wants to push for it AFTER we secure the border, I've got significantly less issue with it, specifically since 1) it'd get watered down significantly by a republican congress and 2) he's not for outright amnesty, ala Ronald Reagan, but a path of citizenship which is a slightly more laborious and punishment inclusive process.

Its a negative on his account, but again not something I'm very worried about in reality.

and sign on to the next Kyoto.
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This I do think is the only likely one out of the lot, and I dislike it. That said, I'd trust him only to sign it if he had good reason to believe it'd have a negligable impact on business or that they'd put other polices in place to negate the negative impact on busines to an extent. I also would happily take that and live with it if most of the other things I suggested occured, especially considering most of the people in the race currently who wouldn't do this are people who I think would have a much lower chance of defeating Obama imho.
 
Zyphlin said:
Not a chance unless we lose badly during the congressional election, which is unusual to occur when you win the Presidential election.
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Although this will be an interesting election....it is going to be hard for Republicans to retain congress while trying to argue that we need to change direction. If the economy is still struggling, it doesn't speak well for the Republicans that said, give us congress and we will make things better. The Republican congress hasn't done **** since gaining control....except for trying to appease the right-wing with their social agenda items. What happened to Boner's jobs jobs jobs cry?
 
disneydude said:
Although this will be an interesting election....it is going to be hard for Republicans to retain congress while trying to argue that we need to change direction. If the economy is still struggling, it doesn't speak well for the Republicans that said, give us congress and we will make things better. The Republican congress hasn't done **** since gaining control....except for trying to appease the right-wing with their social agenda items. What happened to Boner's jobs jobs jobs cry?
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Not really. The Republicans have 1 of the 3 important branches to get anything done, and most people voting at least know Presidents have Veto power and that things must go through both houses. Its far easier for the Republicans to say they've not been given a chance to really implement their plans in 2012 than Democrats could honestly do in 2010.

It'd be more like 2008, when things didn't get much better under a Democrat ran ENTIRE congress and they blamed it on a troublesome President.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Not really. The Republicans have 1 of the 3 important branches to get anything done, and most people voting at least know Presidents have Veto power and that things must go through both houses. Its far easier for the Republicans to say they've not been given a chance to really implement their plans in 2012 than Democrats could honestly do in 2010.

It'd be more like 2008, when things didn't get much better under a Democrat ran ENTIRE congress and they blamed it on a troublesome President.
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I disagree.....the Republicans ran in 2010 under a JObs JObs Jobs banner.....if they don't deliver...I can't see America giving power to the GOP in the whitehouse and the congress....if they haven't done anything since taking over the congress.
 
Plus....do you REALLY think that America is really ready to give complete power back to the party that got us into this mess in the first place?
Seriously?
 
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