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Dope-Smoking, Menstruating Monkey Study Got $3.6 Million in Tax Dollars

Seriously? You guys are pissed about $360,000 a year spent on drug research?
 
SE102 said:
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It costs us hundreds of millions of dollars every year to incarcerate drug addicts and they are pissed about $360,000 a year spent on studies trying to find better treatments that likely would bring down that cost. I can't even voice how utterly idiotic this thread is.
 
zimmer said:
All they had to do was go to a few Grateful Dead concerts instead of wasting our cash on this monkey business.

If private companies want to do this and get the OK, fine with me, but not with our cash.

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They're most likely looking at short term and long term effects of various drug use. We do need to cut back on unnecessary spending, but hit pieces like this I rarely listen to because people put up a dollar amount and never actually go into the research being done. If you want to evaluate whether or not it is valid research, you have to have more than a little hit piece. And if we're bitching about government spending, ending our aggressive, interventionist wars will save a hell of a lot more than cutting out science research will ever do.
 
zimmer said:
It is not government's job to do this. Period. Seriously.

Capiche?

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It's not the government's job to find ways to bring down government costs and increase the welfare of the people? Are you serious?

This is what you get when you only read news from conservative new sources. It's rots your brain.
 
Ikari said:
They're most likely looking at short term and long term effects of various drug use. We do need to cut back on unnecessary spending, but hit pieces like this I rarely listen to because people put up a dollar amount and never actually go into the research being done. If you want to evaluate whether or not it is valid research, you have to have more than a little hit piece. And if we're bitching about government spending, ending our aggressive, interventionist wars will save a hell of a lot more than cutting out science research will ever do.
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They are looking at drug interventions! They are looking into treatment! Why can't anyone go read the studies for themselves? Is everyone such a ****ing sheep that they have to be told what the study does by an article with a clear agenda to distort and make fun of the work?

Honest to god, I'm sick and tired of these kinds of idiotic threads that serve no purpose but for someone to post a partisan thread from a partisan source and make a partisan argument without ever actually going and looking into it themselves. The OP of this damn thread would buy a bridge in the Sahara if Sarah Palin was the one selling it.
 
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zimmer said:
It is not government's job to do this. Period. Seriously.

Capiche?

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In what distorted universe does the government who writes drug law not have the right to do research into investigating the effects of drugs on millions? Why would you trust a private company to do a proper study anyways?
 
CriticalThought said:
They are looking at drug interventions! They are looking into treatment! Why can't anyone go read the studies for themselves? Is everyone such a ****ing sheep that they have to be told what the study does by an article with a clear agenda to distort and make fun of the work?

Honest to god, I'm sick and tired of these kinds of idiotic threads that serve no purpose but for someone to post a partisan thread from a partisan source and make a partisan argument without ever actually going and looking into it themselves.
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I was just saying that we should look into it first before you decide to cut anything. Fact of the matter is the government and our society at large has great interest in scientific research, from base science to medicine to various forms of engineering. We're a technological not industrial economy now and to support that you must have a constant flux of science. There are a lot of science hit pieces out there now saying "they spent a million dollars to study bears...OMGWTFBBQ!!!!one!one!!!!!!" But the people spouting out about a million here or a million there tend to have no training in scientific research nor do they investigate the purpose and means of the investigation. A million doesn't even show up on the debt, you have to hit bigger things. Maybe instead of bitching about a million on science research, they should bitch about the TRILLIONS on wars, the BILLIONS on subsidies to industries like the oil industry or look at ways to clear up bureaucracy inefficiencies in necessary departments as well as scaling back the government in appropriate places.
 
Ikari said:
I was just saying that we should look into it first before you decide to cut anything. Fact of the matter is the government and our society at large has great interest in scientific research, from base science to medicine to various forms of engineering. We're a technological not industrial economy now and to support that you must have a constant flux of science. There are a lot of science hit pieces out there now saying "they spent a million dollars to study bears...OMGWTFBBQ!!!!one!one!!!!!!" But the people spouting out about a million here or a million there tend to have no training in scientific research nor do they investigate the purpose and means of the investigation. A million doesn't even show up on the debt, you have to hit bigger things. Maybe instead of bitching about a million on science research, they should bitch about the TRILLIONS on wars, the BILLIONS on subsidies to industries like the oil industry or look at ways to clear up bureaucracy inefficiencies in necessary departments as well as scaling back the government in appropriate places.
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You hit the point on the head.

How idiotic is it to support policy that costs hundreds of millions of dollars to incarcerate drug addicts but then throw a fricken hissyfit over $360,000 a year in research for substance abuse treatment that could yield results which save millions upon millions?

And these people have the ****ing gull to call themselves "fiscal conservatives". :roll:

This thread is a joke and those people and the OP should be embarrassed as ****.
 
CriticalThought said:
You hit the point on the head.

How idiotic is it to support policy that costs hundreds of millions of dollars to incarcerate drug addicts but then throw a fricken hissyfit over $360,000 a year in research for substance abuse treatment that could yield results which save millions upon millions?

And these have the ****ing gull to call themselves "fiscal conservatives". :roll:
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You won't find fiscal conservatives in the Republocrats. Those who call themselves such merely mean that they want to cut all the programs they don't agree with, but are more than happy to expand the size, scope, and intervention of government in other areas that suit their needs.
 
Ikari said:
You won't find fiscal conservatives in the Republocrats. Those who call themselves such merely mean that they want to cut all the programs they don't agree with, but are more than happy to expand the size, scope, and intervention of government in other areas that suit their needs.
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Indeed. This is a country of ****ing mindless sheep that run to their partisan shepherds to be told what to think. This thread is a perfect example of how little thought people actually give to what they are told. Absolutely pathetic.
 
CriticalThought said:
Indeed. This is a country of ****ing mindless sheep that run to their partisan shepherds to be told what to think. This thread is a perfect example of how little thought people actually give to what they are told. Absolutely pathetic.
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Americans long ago gave up critical thinking. It's easier to echo what Fox News or MSNBC tells you to echo than to do the research for yourself. I mean, that's work.

"I apprehend no danger to our country from a foreign foe . . . Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter. From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger. I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing. Make them intelligent, and they will be vigilant; give them the means of detecting the wrong, and they will apply the remedy."
— Daniel Webster
 
It's easier to echo what Fox News or MSNBC tells you to echo than to do the research for yourself. I mean, that's work.
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Most people don't know how or have a confirmation bias.
 
Anyone remember the nationwide ad campaign ran against the stimulus because it spent money on researching the breeding habits of fruit flies?

Fruit flies are very useful for genetics research because of their very regular/predictable and very short lifespan.

Gotta love the anti-science crowd.
 
CriticalThought said:
It's not the government's job to find ways to bring down government costs and increase the welfare of the people? Are you serious?

This is what you get when you only read news from conservative new sources. It's rots your brain.
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You are a Libertarian?

That is right... it is not government's job to do this.

If so, you don't give much of a care who uses drugs and what drugs they use. You also realize it's the private sector's job to profit from their misery when they become addicts. It is not government's job to be studying the habits of drug addicts. It is their job of making sure they don't harm anyone else, protecting civilized society from those that become criminals due to their addiction... policing.

As for reading only from conservative sources... most of my posts quote the rags of journ-O-lists... for the exact reason you portrayed. You cite a source that is right leaning the ape **** starts flying.

You are a Libertarian? I think not, for your mind seems a wee bit too narrow. Why not try the book linked in my signature line and get back to me later.

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You are a Libertarian? I think not, for your mind seems a wee bit too narrow. Why not try the book linked in my signature line and get back to me later.
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:lamo :lamo :lamo
 
SE102 said:
:lamo :lamo :lamo
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You should try it too?

My mind is open. I was once a Commi Lib... now cured, I seek to assist others escape from the philosophy of the ridiculous.

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SE102 said:
Are you frustrated because youd love to dish hate on government research and waste but can't because all the hackery has already been blown out of the water?
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I disagree with funding this particular research, and I already stated why. No hackery, except from you.
 
SE102 said:
Open in one direction?
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No... I was once an Obama styled Socialist. It took years to convert to Conservatism; travel, reading and real-life experiences. I've lived in numerous socialist countries, and a couple post-Commi. There is nothing that has made me change my mind back. In fact, any sober Leftist, those not caught in the Dope Smoking, Menstruating Monkey Study, should have had serious and deep inner discussions about how their ideology, their Ponzi Schemes, their redistribution of wealth, the core "values" of the Dem Party has ruined this nation in a mere half century or so.

I went through that soul searching, and there are a couple issues I still soul search; more the debate between the Conservative and Libertarian point of view... I had an open mind... and have an open mind... if I didn't I'd still be a Commi Lib.

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