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Dope-Smoking, Menstruating Monkey Study Got $3.6 Million in Tax Dollars

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The National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), a division of the federal government’s National Institutes of Health (NIH), has spent $3,634,807 over the past decade funding research that involves getting monkeys to smoke and drink drugs such as PCP, methamphetamine (METH), heroin, and cocaine and then studying their behavior, including during different phases of the female monkeys’ menstrual cycles.

GOLDEN HOOKAH WINNER: Dope-Smoking, Menstruating Monkey Study Got $3.6 Million in Tax Dollars | CNSnews.com
All they had to do was go to a few Grateful Dead concerts instead of wasting our cash on this monkey business.

If private companies want to do this and get the OK, fine with me, but not with our cash.

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Yeah! I mean, let's not actually look into why they would research this and what sort of information might be gathered from it! Let's just go ahead and assume it's a waste of money! That's the fiscally responsible thing to do.
 
All they had to do was go to a few Grateful Dead concerts instead of wasting our cash on this monkey business.

If private companies want to do this and get the OK, fine with me, but not with our cash.

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at this juncture, i believe you are correct. we need to stop all unnecessary spending.
 
All they had to do was go to a few Grateful Dead concerts instead of wasting our cash on this monkey business.

If private companies want to do this and get the OK, fine with me, but not with our cash.

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little bull**** like this adds up. That 3.6 million could have bought some books, fixed a building or something else more useful. It kind of reminds of another useless study that I just saw on tv today.

The most dangerous room in your home
 
Yeah! I mean, let's not actually look into why they would research this and what sort of information might be gathered from it! Let's just go ahead and assume it's a waste of money! That's the fiscally responsible thing to do.

Ok. Exactly what was the benefit to this study?
 
at this juncture, i believe you are correct. we need to stop all unnecessary spending.

Well hallelujiah......

......yes it took $14,000,000,000,000.00 in debt......a $1,700,000,000,000.00 Deficit......and $100,000,000,000,000.00 in unfunded liabilities.......and The Most Expensive Kenyan President in History......but your seeing the light.

The most expensive clue in history has been purchased.........
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All they had to do was go to a few Grateful Dead concerts instead of wasting our cash on this monkey business.
If private companies want to do this and get the OK, fine with me, but not with our cash.
Since it was about finding about what is a vulnerability to drug addiction and what techniques are useful to diminish drug addiction behaviors, I don't think that following the Dead would have really been an option. Also, the Dead are more since Jerry left us.

Further, I am not sure that finding out the information about drug addiction is of no value.
 
little bull**** like this adds up. That 3.6 million could have bought some books, fixed a building or something else more useful. It kind of reminds of another useless study that I just saw on tv today.
The most dangerous room in your home
I doubt that this study was more than datamining--which is something that the CDC is good at fortunately. Datamining is what discovered AIDS. W/o it, who knows how much longer and how many more infections would have occurred before people knew it existed.
 
Precursor research on drug-using monkeys, also funded by NIDA, discovered that after smoking cocaine monkeys exhibited “dilated pupils and slightly agitated, hyperactive behavior”—which helped researchers conclude that the “physiological effects” of cocaine on monkeys “were similar to those reported in studies of human subjects.”
No ****, Sherlock.

“Behavior therapy is the cornerstone of drug addiction treatments, particularly those in cases where FDA-approved medications do not exist (e.g., cocaine),” said the NIH. “Unfortunately, such treatments have been only partially successful, suggesting that additional research is needed so that we can develop more effective treatments. The results of this study will inform this process.”
Yes. The fact that the physiological responses are similar between primates and humans certainly proves that the psychological responses will also be similar :rolleyes:

What a ****ing waste of tax payer money.
 
I doubt that this study was more than datamining--which is something that the CDC is good at fortunately. Datamining is what discovered AIDS. W/o it, who knows how much longer and how many more infections would have occurred before people knew it existed.

It was much more than mining other studies. Read the OP article.
 
Ok. Exactly what was the benefit to this study?
from the OP in re the studies referenced
The study also uses “interventions” as “treatment models” for monkeys who have been taught to use drugs.
“Goals of the proposed research are to use a rhesus monkey model of drug abuse, to study factors affecting vulnerability to drug abuse and to evaluate behavioral and pharmacological treatment interventions.​

It's 3.6 million over a decade. Which translates to what? An average of about six people working on the various studies over the years?
 
little bull**** like this adds up. That 3.6 million could have bought some books, fixed a building or something else more useful. It kind of reminds of another useless study that I just saw on tv today.

The most dangerous room in your home


Well what are you going to put in the books? Perhaps some thing learned / observed from research?
 
All they had to do was go to a few Grateful Dead concerts instead of wasting our cash on this monkey business.

If private companies want to do this and get the OK, fine with me, but not with our cash.

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No fair - I can smoke dope and menstruate while being studied for far cheaper . . . no one gave me a call.

****ers.
 
Well hallelujiah......

......yes it took $14,000,000,000,000.00 in debt......a $1,700,000,000,000.00 Deficit......and $100,000,000,000,000.00 in unfunded liabilities.......and The Most Expensive Kenyan President in History......but your seeing the light.

The most expensive clue in history has been purchased.........
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Technically, wouldn't any Kenyan president be the most expensive in history?

As the first one.

Or were you referring to ACTUAL Kenya's president?

Sorry, conservative Newspeak has gotten kind of confusing as it attempts to deal with the Tea Party mistake. And the Ryan mistake. Followed by the Newt mistake. Etc., etc., etc..

And y'alls propaganda used to be so effective...:2wave:
 
No fair - I can smoke dope and menstruate while being studied for far cheaper . . . no one gave me a call.

****ers.


Just go to a bar show some leg and get a sucker:mrgreen:
 
Well what are you going to put in the books? Perhaps some thing learned / observed from research?

Do they really need 3.6 million to know that using PCP, methamphetamine (METH), heroin, and cocaine has effect on your behavior and body?
 
Whovian said:
Ok. Exactly what was the benefit to this study?

from the OP in re the studies referenced
The study also uses “interventions” as “treatment models” for monkeys who have been taught to use drugs.
“Goals of the proposed research are to use a rhesus monkey model of drug abuse, to study factors affecting vulnerability to drug abuse and to evaluate behavioral and pharmacological treatment interventions.​

It's 3.6 million over a decade. Which translates to what? An average of about six people working on the various studies over the years?

My question was 'what was the benefit?', not 'what was the overall cost'. As for 'evaluate behavioral and pharmacological treatment interventions'... just because the physiological responses are 'similar' to humans, doesn't mean the treatments would ahve a similar effect, or that the psychological components would have a similar effect on humans either.

It was a huge waste of money.
 
Do they really need 3.6 million to know that using PCP, methamphetamine (METH), heroin, and cocaine has effect on your behavior and body?

I wonder if they'd pay me a few million for my study idea... 'The effects of complete oxygen deprivation on the liberal population'. :ninja:
 
As for 'evaluate behavioral and pharmacological treatment interventions'... just because the physiological responses are 'similar' to humans, doesn't mean the treatments would ahve a similar effect, or that the psychological components would have a similar effect on humans either.
While it isn't necessarily so that the results of treatment techniques would have similar results, the model of using monkeys and primates to find out things about behavior that can be applied to humans isn't fundamentally flawed. This is not the first study of monkeys for research that was intended to shed light on human behavior.
This method of study can be applied in flawed ways, though. And one does have to careful about what conclusions are being drawn and how far the conclusions can be applied to humans.
 
While it isn't necessarily so that the results of treatment techniques would have similar results, the model of using monkeys and primates to find out things about behavior that can be applied to humans isn't fundamentally flawed. This is not the first study of monkeys for research that was intended to shed light on human behavior.
This method of study can be applied in flawed ways, though. And one does have to careful about what conclusions are being drawn and how far the conclusions can be applied to humans.

I do not completely disagree with those statements.
 
“My research is directed toward developing behavioral and pharmacological methods of reducing and preventing drug abuse,” she says. “Animals are trained to self-administer drugs that humans abuse, and several phases of the addiction process are modeled, such as acquisition, maintenance, withdrawal, craving, and relapse.”

I don't see what the big fuss is.
 
Since it was about finding about what is a vulnerability to drug addiction and what techniques are useful to diminish drug addiction behaviors, I don't think that following the Dead would have really been an option. Also, the Dead are more since Jerry left us.

Further, I am not sure that finding out the information about drug addiction is of no value.

Let private companies that want to get into the business do it. As with the food pyramid, or Michelle's latest DC Dearest concoction, it's not the job of government and it is a waste of our tax dollars. Nor is it our job to fund training of Chinese whores how to manage their liquor.

You know, I wouldn't mind 3.6 million to study the habits of DP Leftists and their addiction to a failed ideology. I think that would have greater value to society. Think I'll get the grant money?

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