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AEP says it will close five coal plants to comply with EPA regs

So, global warming is a scam but the goal is to stop fossil fuel power production... for what reason, again?

Yes global warming scam and, spotted owl scam is the same thing. Find a boogey man to fear or a warm fuzzy to save to implement your agenda. Why you guys want to end use of fossil fuel and stop logging is a question for you to answer, not me. In my opinion though you enviros love all the modern amenities like a house to live in made from trees and energy to keep it warm made from fossil fuels but are racked with guilt over it and lash out at the people that provide these things for you. Like I said I can’t explain it, I don’t understand the mindset but I think it has something to do with the old saying, “you want to have your cake and eat it too”.
 
Yes global warming scam and, spotted owl scam is the same thing. Find a boogey man to fear or a warm fuzzy to save to implement your agenda.

You claim they are scams, prove it.

Even if Global warming is a scam, the health cost of CO2 emissions is real.
 
Yes global warming scam and, spotted owl scam is the same thing. Find a boogey man to fear or a warm fuzzy to save to implement your agenda. Why you guys want to end use of fossil fuel and stop logging is a question for you to answer, not me. In my opinion though you enviros love all the modern amenities like a house to live in made from trees and energy to keep it warm made from fossil fuels but are racked with guilt over it and lash out at the people that provide these things for you. Like I said I can’t explain it, I don’t understand the mindset but I think it has something to do with the old saying, “you want to have your cake and eat it too”.

Why would someone be racked with guilt if there's no consequences of fossil fuels? I mean, it's all a scam, right? There's no global warming, so what would someone have to feel guilty about? What agenda is served by eliminating fossil fuels? Is it really your opinion that people want to pay higher gas prices just for ****s and giggles?

Your conspiracy theory requires that a large group of people be actively working to harm themselves with no apparent benefit from the end-goal.

Real people aren't comic book villains.

You claim they are scams, prove it.

Even if Global warming is a scam, the health cost of CO2 emissions is real.

CO2 is not directly harmful to your health until you get to seriously high concentrations. Other pollutants have a direct health effect, of course, but CO2 toxicity isn't a problem until many times the current atmospheric concentration.
 
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The biggest wind turbine in the world takes up around a quarter acre and produces about 6MW of power, for a total of 24MW/acre, which is way better than a coal or nuclear plant if you include the massive cooling ponds required, waste storage areas, etc. Wind power takes up less space than coal or nuclear.

Nice try but to power the people their would be no land left to grow crops. Not to mention health concerns and tax subsidies. If it is so good lets stop the subsidies and see if they can make it on the profit

Pickens drops wind from his energy plan, but industry remains ‘healthy’ and ‘sustainable’, says analyst | ThinkProgress
 
Yes global warming scam and, spotted owl scam is the same thing. Find a boogey man to fear or a warm fuzzy to save to implement your agenda. Why you guys want to end use of fossil fuel and stop logging is a question for you to answer, not me. In my opinion though you enviros love all the modern amenities like a house to live in made from trees and energy to keep it warm made from fossil fuels but are racked with guilt over it and lash out at the people that provide these things for you. Like I said I can’t explain it, I don’t understand the mindset but I think it has something to do with the old saying, “you want to have your cake and eat it too”.

The latest is a lizard in Texas

Protection for lizard may threaten West Texas oil production | Houston & Texas News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle
 
You claim they are scams, prove it.

Even if Global warming is a scam, the health cost of CO2 emissions is real.



Problem is there are no solutions. Wind will never replace fossil electricity Ethanol is a joke. What solutiond will make a difference?
 
Problem is there are no solutions. Wind will never replace fossil electricity Ethanol is a joke. What solutiond will make a difference?

Ecology based organic farming. It addresses many of our problems.


If it is so good lets stop the subsidies and see if they can make it on the profit

That's what I say about industrial farming, which recieved 6.59/6.6 billion from the last farm bill I checked.
 
The alternative is how expensive food will be when our farmlands suffer from the negative impacts of climate change.

A) still don't buy that crap and
B) if it's real, Canada just became arable farmland.

in times where the earth has been hotter - plant life (all life, really) has exploded. I think we'll manage.
 
A) still don't buy that crap and
B) if it's real, Canada just became arable farmland.

in times where the earth has been hotter - plant life (all life, really) has exploded. I think we'll manage.

Fantastic, another thing you can start importing more then you produce... :lol:
 
A) still don't buy that crap and
B) if it's real, Canada just became arable farmland.

in times where the earth has been hotter - plant life (all life, really) has exploded. I think we'll manage.


Population projections right now are for 10 billion people in 2050. That is alot of mouths to feed.
 
We are due for a Malthusian interruption long before that. We are more or less overdue for one right now.
 
Problem is there are no solutions. Wind will never replace fossil electricity Ethanol is a joke. What solutiond will make a difference?

Why can't wind replace fossil electricity?

What are you farming 50 feet in the air?

The blades come nowhere near the ground, the bases are maybe 10 feet in diameter.

The reason for need more land is because we don't run most electric lines under ground and you need other infrastructure to support the production of wind energy.
 
What are you farming 50 feet in the air?

The blades come nowhere near the ground, the bases are maybe 10 feet in diameter.

The base takes up one quarter acre of land. What do you not understand. I even showed a link from an energy company that said this
 
Coal plants closing: Why coal plants closing means higher electricity prices - chicagotribune.com

Do you really think 60% increases in cost are worth it?

The problem is that wind alone cant do the job. It is a supplement to Coal, Natural Gas and Oil, and if it were to develop on its own to be as economically feasible as possible it could possibly become dominant. But that isnt whats happening. Wind is heavily subsidized---coal, natural gas and oil are heavily taxed to pay for it and the feasibility of wind in terms of a constant power stream could be better but there is no reason for them to improve because their competition is being crushed by regulation and taxes.

Let wind prove itself and it will win. Prop it up and everyone loses except the Wind lobbyists.
 
Why can't wind replace fossil electricity?



The reason for need more land is because we don't run most electric lines under ground and you need other infrastructure to support the production of wind energy.


Wind is not constant and if we put up that many windmills their will be no land to farm. They also kill birds and it is believed may cause health problems for humans.

Wind turbines are not efficient and very costly

Pros and Cons of Wind Power
 
furthermore, as i understand it, they still require coal plants to be built nearby in order to make up their shortfall.
 
Obama and the EPA show that do not care how much they hurt financially strapped citizens. This will put even a bigger burden on the already struggling unemployed

AEP says it will close five coal plants to comply with EPA regs - The Hill's E2-Wire

Utility giant American Electric Power said Thursday that it will shut down five coal-fired power plants and spend billions of dollars to comply with a series of pending Environmental Protection Agency regulations.

The company’s dramatic plan to comply with the regulations could give Republicans and moderate Democrats ammunition in their ongoing fight against EPA's efforts to impose new regulations aimed at limiting greenhouse gas emissions and air pollutants including mercury and arsenic.

Yes, these new regulations will force a transition. Thank you for pointing out the obvious.
 
So let me ask you people that are glad to see the coal plants shut down a question. If the global warming theory didn’t exist would you be pro coal? Would you say mine baby mine, we need and want coal or would you find some other reason to be anti-coal? Ask yourselves this question and try to give an honest answer, if not to me at least to yourselves.
 
So let me ask you people that are glad to see the coal plants shut down a question. If the global warming theory didn’t exist would you be pro coal? Would you say mine baby mine, we need and want coal or would you find some other reason to be anti-coal? Ask yourselves this question and try to give an honest answer, if not to me at least to yourselves.

Even if global warming/climate theory change proves to be wrong, the human health cost are real.
 
So let me ask you people that are glad to see the coal plants shut down a question. If the global warming theory didn’t exist would you be pro coal? Would you say mine baby mine, we need and want coal or would you find some other reason to be anti-coal? Ask yourselves this question and try to give an honest answer, if not to me at least to yourselves.

No. If global warming did not exist coal would still be bad. It's responsible for increases in mercury, particulates, uranium, sulfur dioxide, nitrogen dioxide, and more, all really bad for us and the ecosystem.

Coal sucks.
 
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