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Romney: "If You Want to Learn About My Church, Talk to My Church

MrVicchio said:
Funny how it's only okay to ask Republicans about their religious beliefs and churches.
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not sure what you're trying to get at here, but if it's some jab at liberals for being hypocritical you've gotta do better than that, considering all the grief Obama got for Reverend Wright.
 
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I've never cared what religion my leaders held, only that they don't hold it too tightly.

As for Mr. Romney, he seems like an honorable man, and Massachusetts seems to like him. His record does not speak of heavy religious influence on his politics (gay marriage notwithstanding). If we had to have a republican in office, Romney is one of the non-evil possibilities.
 
If the same state that kept sending Ted Kennedy back to the Senate can also elect Romney as Governor, then religion is not an issue you need worry about. ;)
 
StillBallin75 said:
not sure what you're trying to get at here, but if it's some jab at liberals for being hypocritical you've gotta do better than that, considering all the grief Obama got for Reverend Wright.
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"Reverend Wright" does not represent a religion. He represents extreme political views.
 
theplaydrive said:
my original comment was about Romney's new pro-life stance being connected to religion. i'm sorry if people have a hard time accepting that religion may have influenced his views. this isn't a negative or positive, it's a very neutral statement.
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theplaydrive said:
The pro-life movement is primarily religious.
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Backpedal, I'll accept it.
 
theplaydrive said:
He definitely represents religion - he just represents a controversial application of Christianity.

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No, he uses religion as a cover to be a political activist.

"God damn America" is only found in the Book of Bull****.

Calling yourself a "Reverend" ... don't mean **** libs. "Reverend Jesse Jackson". "Reverend Al Sharpton". Race-pimp political thugs all. God hasn't a damn thing to do with it.
 
ksu_aviator said:
RW no more represents Christianity than I do. I think more people would agree with me than will agree with him. My point is, no one person (other than Jesus) represents Christianity.
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I disagree. I think all Christians represent Christianity. They may not represent the Bible, but religion is a man-made institution and it represented by all the men and women who consider themselves members.
 
I don't think all humans represent humanity.
Dahmer, Saddam, Stalin... they don't represent humanity.



And you did backpedal. You went from "primarily" to "connected" and "may have influence".
 
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tessaesque said:
Romney: 'If You Want to Learn More About My Church, Talk to My Church' - The Note



What do you think? Do you believe him when he says he wants to keep his religion and his job separate?
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He'll probably keep the things that differentiate Mormons from christian conservatives separate, but will pander to christian conservatives at the expense of all other faiths. Just like most other Republicans would. When it comes to christian conservatives, Republicans have about as much spine as the Democrats have when dealing with unions.
 
ecofarm said:
I don't consider humans to be represented by all humans.

Dahmer, Saddam, Stalin... they don't represent humans.
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Christians represent Christianity because they are "symbols" of Christian doctrine. They are the representatives of Christian doctrine and ideology.

Human beings aren't representing some collection of ideas. Humans just are and unless we form a Human Organization with set principles, no human being represents humanity.
 
theplaydrive said:
Christians represent Christianity because they are "symbols" of Christian doctrine. They are the representatives of Christian doctrine and ideology.

Human beings aren't representing some collection of ideas. Humans just are and unless we form a Human Organization with set principles, no human being represents humanity.
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Most human beings represent humanity and most christians represent christianity. Westboro does not represent christians. AlQ does not represent muslims. The KKK does not represent humanity.

Hatred does not represent anything, except ignorance.
 
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ecofarm said:
And you did backpedal. You went from "primarily" to "connected" and "may have influence".
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That's not backpedaling, that's using different words to express the same idea. Let me show you.

With regards to the connection of Romney's abortion stance to his religion, the abortion movement is primarily religious which means that Romney's religion may have influenced his stance on abortion.
 
ecofarm said:
Most human beings represent humanity and most christians represent christianity. Westboro does not represent christians. AlQ does not represent muslims. The KKK does not represent humanity.
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Westboro and AQ represent Christianity and Islam, respectively, because they subscribe to the core beliefs of their religions. They merely represent violent interpretations of said religions. They do not, however, represent the "good" within either religion.
 
With regards to the connection of Romney's abortion stance to his religion, the abortion movement is primarily religious which means that Romney's religion may have influenced his stance on abortion.
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You said that abortion was primarily religious, THEN you said it was connected and may have influence.The order of things is what creates the backpedal. You can't just mix up the chronology and claim your stance is simply more inclusive of terminology.


Westboro and AQ represent Christianity and Islam, respectively, because they subscribe to the core beliefs of their religions. They merely represent violent interpretations of said religions. They do not, however, represent the "good" within either religion.
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So if I call myself a pacifist and go on a shooting spree... I represent pacifists. It must be strange (and confusing) accepting all self-labels.
 
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ecofarm said:
You said that abortion was primarily religious, THEN you said it was connected and may have influence.The order of things is what creates the backpedal. You can't just mix up the chronology and claim your stance is simply more inclusive of terminology.
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Interpret it how you will. I've been saying the exact same thing the entire time.

So if I call myself a pacifist and go on a shooting spree... I represent pacifists. It must be strange (and confusing) accepting all self-labels.
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Being a Christian is more than calling yourself a Christian, it's about subscribing to core Christian beliefs. The same with being a pacifist. If you subscribe to pacifist beliefs and shoot people, then yes, you represent pacifism - a piss poor interpretation of pacificism, but pacifism nevertheless.

Christianity and Pacifism are ideas. Anyone who subscribes to those ideas makes themselves a representative of those ideas and their varied interpretations. But they do not represent other people who subscribe to those ideas.
 
StillBallin75 said:
and this is totally beside the point I was trying to make. can we focus here?
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So ? It was a point I wanted to make. You can focus on whatever you want to otherwise. WTF.
 
VanceMack said:
People that thought Obamas religion was a disqualifier are as asenine as those that thing Romneys is.
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So what about talking about Rev. Wright? I think that if it's fair to talk about him, why not Joseph Smith or Brigham Young? Or for that matter, Romney's own grandparents? Know why Mitt's father was born in Mexico? Polygamist Mormons were hiding out there. (So you see, Romney's Grandparents believed that marriage was between one man and five or so women...)

I don't actually think it's an issue, but next time someone says that Rev. Wright is an issue should consider Romney's background.


Obama's deficits were he had zero qualifications beyond being a clean articulate well spoken black person. Romneys disqualifiers are that he changes his position and stances based on which direction the wind is blowing in his consitutents back yard. Dude has to stand for something and be consistent.
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I agree. Romney needs to let us know where he is actually coming from. I think he's really a moderate, but he's pandering to the Tea Party and the religious right. However, it's hard for me to vote for someone who's rhetoric and record don't match.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
So ? It was a point I wanted to make. You can focus on whatever you want to otherwise. WTF.
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Okay...well as has been already shown, reverend wright DOES represent a particular strain or interpretation of a particular religion.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Okay...well as has been already shown, reverend wright DOES represent a particular strain or interpretation of a particular religion.
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He's a political hack. And a race-pimp. Call it whatever you want ... its BS. Not religion. I've attanded Christian based churches all my life and never heard the crap that he preaches about hate and victimhood once. So spare me the "its a strain of religion" BS.

The only thing that has been shown is that many liberals remain lemmings at the altar of Obama .... Obama ... Ohama.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
He's a political hack. And a race-pimp. Call it whatever you want ... its BS. Not religion. I've attanded Christian based churches all my life and never heard the crap that he preaches about hate and victimhood once. So spare me the "its a strain of religion" BS.

The only thing that has been shown is that many liberals remain lemmings at the altar of Obama .... Obama ... Ohama.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, I couldn't care less what your personal religious experiences are because they're pretty much irrelevant to the point.

Black liberation theology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Black liberation theology, sometimes shortened to black theology, is a relatively new theological perspective found in some Christian churches in the United States.
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:shrug:

Read: THEOLOGICAL perspective. Not just political.
 
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