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Romney: "If You Want to Learn About My Church, Talk to My Church

winston53660 said:
Did he rent out Reliant Stadium and invite Governors from around the nation?

And accept a sponorship from one of the most right wing religious groups there is, the AFA.
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I dont know...but he did meet with Billy Graham and Jessie Jackson on a regular basis. Its OK tho...really...you have the Constitutional (and God given? :ssst:) right to be both hypocritical AND bigoted.
 
VanceMack said:
I dont know...but he did meet with Billy Graham and Jessie Jackson on a regular basis. Its OK tho...really...you have the Constitutional (and God given? :ssst:) right to be both hypocritical AND bigoted.
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Perry goes a bit beyond that. And out of all the guys I would suspect him the most of letting religion interfere with government.

These are the people organizing the event at Perry's request

Don Wildmon

President of host entity, American Family Association

Rev. Donald E. Wildmon is Founder and Chairman Emeritus of American Family Association and American Family Radio. AFA is a pro-family advocacy organization with over two million online supporters and approximately 170,000 subscribers to its monthly flagship publication the AFA Journal.


I don't think Clinton ever had the same thing going on with Grahm.
 
winston53660 said:
perry goes a bit beyond that. And out of all the guys i would suspect him the most of letting religion interfere with government.

These are the people organizing the event at perry's request

don wildmon

president of host entity, american family association

rev. Donald e. Wildmon is founder and chairman emeritus of american family association and american family radio. Afa is a pro-family advocacy organization with over two million online supporters and approximately 170,000 subscribers to its monthly flagship publication the afa journal.


I don't think clinton ever had the same thing going on with grahm.
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oh my god!!!!!!! Not a pro-family advocacy organization!!!!!!!!please say it ain't so!!!!!!!that bastard!!!!!!!!
 
lewstherin said:
oh my god!!!!!!! Not a pro-family advocacy organization!!!!!!!!please say it ain't so!!!!!!!that bastard!!!!!!!!
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They are not pro family. They are anti gay family.
 
winston53660 said:
Perry goes a bit beyond that. And out of all the guys I would suspect him the most of letting religion interfere with government.

These are the people organizing the event at Perry's request

Don Wildmon

President of host entity, American Family Association

Rev. Donald E. Wildmon is Founder and Chairman Emeritus of American Family Association and American Family Radio. AFA is a pro-family advocacy organization with over two million online supporters and approximately 170,000 subscribers to its monthly flagship publication the AFA Journal.


I don't think Clinton ever had the same thing going on with Grahm.
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And I'm 100% certain if he had you would have found a way to excuse it, justify it, rationalize it, nor would it have bothered you.

Again...is Rick Perry enacting Born Again governorship?
 
VanceMack said:
And I'm 100% certain if he had you would have found a way to excuse it, justify it, rationalize it, nor would it have bothered you.
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Think what you want:shrug:

Again...is Rick Perry enacting Born Again governorship?
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He certainly seems to be trying to as much as he can.
 
winston53660 said:
They are not pro family. They are anti gay family.
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ummmmm...in case you haven't heard....it actually physically requires a male and a female to create a family.
to use the words "gay" and "family" as a cohesive possibility is the same as using "lard" and "healthy" within the same
cohesive possibility.
 
winston53660 said:
Think what you want:shrug:




He certainly seems to be trying to as much as he can.
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Really? Very interested in seeing the legislation he is proposing. And of course, Obama's 20 year involvement in a racist church (one that he left when it was exposed and said well...golly...I NEVER saw that in my 20 years...) hasn't influenced his role as president and commander in chief...right?

Dood...you guys persistently have religious blinders on. Spirituality and religious involvement ONLY matters when it is a republican. You only make it an issue when it is a republican.
 
VanceMack said:
Really? Very interested in seeing the legislation he is proposing. And of course, Obama's 20 year involvement in a racist church (one that he left when it was exposed and said well...golly...I NEVER saw that in my 20 years...) hasn't influenced his role as president and commander in chief...right?

Dood...you guys persistently have religious blinders on. Spirituality and religious involvement ONLY matters when it is a republican. You only make it an issue when it is a republican.
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Dood Perry is not just attending a church. He is top billing for a rally being organized by a far right wing religious organization at his request.
 
winston53660 said:
Dood Perry is not just attending a church. He is top billing for a rally being organized by a far right wing religious organization at his request.
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Still waiting to see the legislation he is endorsing or attempting to pass that is influenced by his religious beliefs that have the unforgivable sin of (gasp) not fitting your own intolerant beliefs.
 
VanceMack said:
Still waiting to see the legislation he is endorsing or attempting to pass that is influenced by his religious beliefs that have the unforgivable sin of (gasp) not fitting your own intolerant beliefs.
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The PP legislation is his religious belief influencing legislation. Keeping funding for crisis pregnancy centers is his religious views influencing legislation.

In an unprecedented political maneuver by anti‐choice leaders in the
Texas Legislature in 2005, the state for the first time is directly funding
CPCs. It is doing so with funds previously allocated to preventative
medical and pregnancy prevention services. A FY 2005‐2006 budget rider
shifts $5 million dollars from preventative health screening and
contraceptive services to unlicensed and unregulated CPCs. During this

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winston53660 said:
The PP legislation is his religious belief influencing legislation. Keeping funding for crisis pregnancy centers is his religious views influencing legislation.

In an unprecedented political maneuver by anti‐choice leaders in the
Texas Legislature in 2005, the state for the first time is directly funding
CPCs. It is doing so with funds previously allocated to preventative
medical and pregnancy prevention services. A FY 2005‐2006 budget rider
shifts $5 million dollars from preventative health screening and
contraceptive services to unlicensed and unregulated CPCs. During this

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so you are claiming that morality is exclusively religious?
 
tessaesque said:
I didn't get that from this interview. It seemed to me that the reporter wanted to make his religion an issue.
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Every-time the media talks about him and voters they always make it seem likes its his religion and not the fact he is one of the biggest RINOs why voters are turned off by him.
 
winston53660 said:
The PP legislation is his religious belief influencing legislation. Keeping funding for crisis pregnancy centers is his religious views influencing legislation.

In an unprecedented political maneuver by anti‐choice leaders in the
Texas Legislature in 2005, the state for the first time is directly funding
CPCs. It is doing so with funds previously allocated to preventative
medical and pregnancy prevention services. A FY 2005‐2006 budget rider
shifts $5 million dollars from preventative health screening and
contraceptive services to unlicensed and unregulated CPCs. During this

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Those evil bastards!
"There are over 4,000 CPCs in the United States, as compared with well under 750 abortion clinics. Canada has roughly 200 CPCs to about 25 abortion clinics.[10] There are hundreds more outside of the US and Canada.[11] At least 20 US States provide funding for CPCs.[5] A report prepared for Henry Waxman found that from 2001 to 2005, 50 CPCs received $30 million in funding from the federal government.[1] By 2006, CPCs had received more than $60 million dollars of federal funding, including some funding earmarked for abstinence-only programs.[12]

CPCs provide peer counseling related to abortion, pregnancy and childbirth, and may also provide pregnancy testing, sonograms, or other services. Many CPCs have been found to disseminate false medical information, usually but not exclusively about the supposed health risks of abortion."

So the Texas legislature...the body that represents Texans, passed legislation that the governor signed (that IS how it works there right or does the Texas governor have the privilege of King as well?) similar to not only 20 other states but on a scale that is on par with Canada. It doesnt ban abortions but it does represent an option to slaughtering an unborn child (again...those BASTARDS!)...from 2005. Well...OK...thats it...he IS indeed evil incarnate.

You are indeed a truly and completely intolerant individual. Shame on you.
 
winston53660 said:
I don't have a clue as to what you are attempting to talk about.
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of course you don't. we're talking about your own words. you keep attempting to muddle the conversation with
pro-life being pro-religion. are you saying that there is no such thing as an atheist being "pro-life"? you keep throwing
this abortion "gay rights" nonsense in with religion. stalin and che were both atheists. both slaughtered homosexuals
by the thousands.
as far as abortion? over a 1/2 million websites dedicated to atheists against abortion.................
atheists against abortion - Google Search

i already understood you had no clue.
 
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theplaydrive said:
Well, he supported a ban on same-sex marriage, but supported civil unions.
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A civil union is still marriage. Changing the name of something does not make it different. Would you eat a pile of dog **** if people started calling it filet Mignon(no I am not comparing marriage to dog ****)? **** not you would't eat it because no matter what name it goes by it is still dog ****. Politicians who use the line "I'm against gay marriage but support civil unions or some other paper coated term for marriage" are nothing more than closet supporters of gay marriage trying to sucker idiots into agreeing with them.

He was pro-choice as governor, but has now had a "change of heart" is passionately pro-life.
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This why it is important to look at a politician's deeds(bills they written, signed into law,voted for or vetoed and etc).
 
winston53660 said:
The PP legislation is his religious belief influencing legislation. Keeping funding for crisis pregnancy centers is his religious views influencing legislation.

In an unprecedented political maneuver by anti‐choice leaders in the
Texas Legislature in 2005, the state for the first time is directly funding
CPCs. It is doing so with funds previously allocated to preventative
medical and pregnancy prevention services. A FY 2005‐2006 budget rider
shifts $5 million dollars from preventative health screening and
contraceptive services to unlicensed and unregulated CPCs. During this

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And...just out of curiosity...is Bill Clinton equally responsible for DOMA as Perry is for enabling clinics to offer choices other than just the slaughter of the innocent unborn?
 
VanceMack said:
And...just out of curiosity...is Bill Clinton equally responsible for DOMA as Perry is for enabling clinics to offer choices other than just the slaughter of the innocent unborn?
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Apples to oranges:roll:
 
:doh

winston53660 said:
Apples to oranges:roll:
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Of course...one enabled true 'choice', while the other discriminated against one of your causes. Yet...you embrace the apple. Nice! :lamo
 
cpwill said:
yup. because Romney's central belief system isn't conservatism, or even mormonism. Romney's central belief system is Romney-should-be-President-ism
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That's not unusual either. Look at how far McCain had to bend in order to run.
 
Having been a Mormon, I would find it very difficult to do for a true Mormon.
 
VanceMack said:
Either way...Christian belonging to a church for 20 years with a race baiting pastor or a committed Muslim...why dont democrats lose their minds when Clinton signs DOMA or Obama states he believes that marriage is between one man and one woman?
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i think it's easy to separate "marriage" and unions outside of a church. no church should be forced to perform marraiges for gays, we should, however, recognize them civilly. just because obama personally believes marriage is between a man and a woman does exclude his recognition of civil rights. much like a person can be pro choice but wouldn't ever consider an abortion for themselves.
 
liblady said:
i think it's easy to separate "marriage" and unions outside of a church. no church should be forced to perform marraiges for gays, we should, however, recognize them civilly. just because obama personally believes marriage is between a man and a woman does exclude his recognition of civil rights. much like a person can be pro choice but wouldn't ever consider an abortion for themselves.
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I agree with most of your statement and if I lived in a state where civil unions were passed as a law I am reasonably sure that the sun would still come up tomorrow and the earth wouldnt split and life would go on. I simply find it beyond hypocritical that people express this mindless rabid concern over the religous preferences of one party while completely ignoring the other. Its as if people dont even IMAGINE that say, the Blue Dog Democrats from the south might have strong religious beliefs similar to many (and not all) republicans. 'Religion' is the last on my list of qualifications for government office.

Ive still not seen anything regarding the OP that indicates that Romneys faith should be an issue. to those that discount him simply because of his faith I say to you...shame on you you disgusting narrow minded intolerant bigots.
 
Romney's faith = not an issue.

Obama's faith = BIG HONKING ISSUE.

Okay....

How about if I discount Romney because he Governed from a pro-choice perspective, but is now passing himself off as pro-life? What if I discount Romney because he initiated "individual mandate" health care reform in Massachusetts, but now suddenly thinks it's evil incarnate?
 
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