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DNC Chair: GOP wants to "Drag Us Back To Jim Crow Laws"

Whovian, 19-29 = college students. You are simply grasping at this point and you know it. Even Anne Coulter recognizes that youth tend to lean liberal.
It's not a matter of 'lean'... you've shifted the goalposts. You claimed the majority of college students were Democrats.

So ALL 19-29 year old's are college students? I did not know that. You mean there are NO 19-29 year old's who do NOT go to college? Learn something new everyday I guess.

Well, there's still the complete lack of the word DEMOCRAT in the linked piece.

Essentially, you've now failed twice.

Care to try for a third?
 
Please address my post rather than attack a commonly accepted fact that college students are mostly democrats. The whole country is mostly members of the democratic party. Here is a link from a breakdown of colleges during the 2004 election. 41 percent bush 55 percent kerry.

http://www.civicyouth.org/PopUps/FactSheets/FS_College_Voting.pdf

That enough for you? Also note that a big chunk of these students voted at their colleges.

Are you ready to stop being an idiot and attack stupid links that are common knowledge and address my points now?
 
Please address my post rather than attack a commonly accepted fact that college students are mostly democrats. The whole country is mostly members of the democratic party. Here is a link from a breakdown of colleges during the 2004 election. 41 percent bush 55 percent kerry.

http://www.civicyouth.org/PopUps/FactSheets/FS_College_Voting.pdf

That enough for you? Also note that a big chunk of these students voted at their colleges.

Are you ready to stop being an idiot and attack stupid links that are common knowledge and address my points now?

I shoot down your first nonsense source, which was from 2007 btw... and your comeback shot is a 2004 source?

From your source...

Most Students Voted at Home, and Most Found Voting Easy.
A chief concern for those promoting higher turnout among college students is whether they would find voting difficult—either because of the perceived hassle in voting absentee or problems incurred when trying to vote at their campus locations. Data from the survey suggests that such problems were much less frequent than might have been anticipated. One of the reasons for the absence of problems might be the percentage voting in their home town (in person or absentee). Of those who were registered, two thirds are registered in their home town (67% home town; 33% college town). Freshmen and sophomores were equally likely to be registered in their home town (68% and 67%); juniors and seniors were slightly less likely to be registered there (64% and 59%).
Interestingly, 78% of those registered at home prefer to be registered there. This means, however, that more than one in five (22%) of those registered at home would prefer to register at their school address. Among students who were not registered, 44% would prefer to register at their college address. Overall, 26% of those not registered at their school address would prefer to register there.

Not surprisingly, college students were much more likely to vote by absentee ballot (37%) than were 18-29 year olds who were
surveyed recently by Declare Yourself (10%).
Interesting... This seems to say that 18-29 year olds and college students are two distinctly different groups. I thought You said ALL 18-29 year olds were college students...

Did students find it a real hassle to vote? Of those casting an absentee ballot, the survey inquired separately about the ease of obtaining the ballot and of casting it. Especially in light of some expectations, few students found it difficult. Nearly 90% (88.8) said they found it “very easy” or “fairly easy” both to obtain and to cast an absentee ballot. Only a handful (2.9%) found either or both of
these tasks “very difficult.”

So, not only does your own source utterly refute your argument that 'this would be a major hassle for college students to be able to even vote', but it STILL never mentions party affiliation... and you used it as a source to prove college students are all Democrats.

The level of FAIL in you continues to rise.

Want to try for yet another complete FAIL?
 
What the **** do you want from me? 2004 isn't good enough for you? What do you think demographics changed that much in 6 years? If anything they probably went up exponentially following the 2008 election. You are absolutely ridiculous and you are nitpicking sources instead of actually refuting my arguments.

I didn't say 18-29 are all college students. You are trying to get a rise out of me by manipulating things I've said to make yourself look smart. Obviously you are not very smart if you cannot even refute any of the points I made in my posts other than attack articles.

That's not relevant. The point is they should be able to vote however they want and if they want to vote at their college (44% said they want to vote at their college) they should be able to out of convenience.
 
What the **** do you want from me? 2004 isn't good enough for you? What do you think demographics changed that much in 6 years? If anything they probably went up exponentially following the 2008 election. You are absolutely ridiculous and you are nitpicking sources instead of actually refuting my arguments.

I didn't say 18-29 are all college students. You are trying to get a rise out of me by manipulating things I've said to make yourself look smart. Obviously you are not very smart if you cannot even refute any of the points I made in my posts other than attack articles.

That's not relevant. The point is they should be able to vote however they want and if they want to vote at their college (44% said they want to vote at their college) they should be able to out of convenience.

Point 1: Correct. Apologies... you said 19-29...
Gargantuan said:
Whovian, 19-29 = college students.

Point 2: Not relevant? It was your main argument!!!
...They are trying to make it harder in some cases for younger members of the population to vote by requiring more identification/stopping voting in college districts...
So disenfranchising college students is a good way to fight that?
1. Because it is a ridiculous hassle and if they are going to college and living in that district they should be able to vote there.....
Bull ****ing ****. You know damn well college students are predominately democrats. I don't need to give you a citation on that. There is no credibility lost there. WHY ARE THEY MAKING COLLEGE STUDENTS USE ABSENTEES - BECAUSE IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR THEM TO VOTE AND MORE OF A HASSLE. That is the reason. Plain and simple...


Now that I've proved your main point completely false, it's no longer relevant?

And you whine about 'me' and call 'me' names?

I used your own links to prove you utterly incorrect. Learn to post links that actually PROVE instead of DISPROVE your arguments. You might actually win in here once in a while.


As for a previous question you asked, which I apologize for not answering... If you told me I had to vote via absentee ballot, and I was not in my home voting district, of course I would have no problem with it. Just like this group from one of your sources...
Nearly 90% (88.8) said they found it “very easy” or “fairly easy” both to obtain and to cast an absentee ballot.


Now... your PWNAGE is truly complete.
 
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Fact is the Jim Crow BS is just that. Way too much voter fraud is going in all over the Country and a lot of it comes to people claiming it has to be easy to vote, and that leads to a lot of dead people voting and reports of more people voting in a district than there are people.

I would bet that most people who vote Democrat only know anything about one or two issues, if that when they vote and many are pretty uneducated as was shown when Obama was elected by people who didn't have the mental capacity yo know who and what he is.

Jim Crow is another Liberal claim to avoid the truth that this is needed.
 
Whovian, I'm sick of your ****. Are you going to address my posts, or are you going to nitpick at stupid things? 19-29 = college students. How the hell do you think that means I am saying all of them are? You obviously don't think that. That's just you trying to make yourself look like the smarter one here and make me look stupid. Sorry, you're wrong. Didn't work.

I didn't make my main point false. First of all, I proved you wrong about college students not being mostly democrat, secondly, what these students say about if it was easy/not easy is not relevant. The point is there is no reason to require students to use absentee ballots. It is only a way to stifle college votes. If they could've stopped even 1k students from voting in one district, who knows, Bishop maybe would have lost.

The link does prove my argument. My argument had nothing to do with students thinking it is easy to use an absentee ballot.
 
That's not relevant. The point is they should be able to vote however they want and if they want to vote at their college (44% said they want to vote at their college) they should be able to out of convenience.
And so should our military....who tend to vote republican.
 
Whovian, I'm sick of your ****. Are you going to address my posts, or are you going to nitpick at stupid things? 19-29 = college students. How the hell do you think that means I am saying all of them are? You obviously don't think that. That's just you trying to make yourself look like the smarter one here and make me look stupid. Sorry, you're wrong. Didn't work.

I didn't make my main point false. First of all, I proved you wrong about college students not being mostly democrat, secondly, what these students say about if it was easy/not easy is not relevant. The point is there is no reason to require students to use absentee ballots. It is only a way to stifle college votes. If they could've stopped even 1k students from voting in one district, who knows, Bishop maybe would have lost.

The link does prove my argument. My argument had nothing to do with students thinking it is easy to use an absentee ballot.

point 1: that's twice you've used that straw-man... inferiority complex??

point 2: No, you didn't. neither of your sources mentioned Democrats. Hell, the second one didn't mention political lean at all.

point 3: It's only 'not relevant' now because I proved your entire whiney argument false. YOU claimed multiple times that it would be an undo hardship on college students... and the college students themselves said you're wrong and it was EASY to get and use an absentee ballot. How the **** is it 'not relevant', when the very students you say would be affected, say they are unaffected?

point 4: It obviously does NOT stifle college votes, as your own sources proved.

Point 5: Really? Whining in multiple posts that requiring an absentee ballot for college students would...

disenfranchise them
would be a ridiculous hassle,
make it harder for them to vote,
MAKES IT HARDER FOR THEM TO VOTE AND MORE OF A HASSLE

.... has nothing to do with students thinking it's easy and not a hassle to vote with an absentee ballot?

You've been proven completely, utterly, totally incorrect. Have the good grace to admit you've been beaten. Badly.
 
Fact is the Jim Crow BS is just that. Way too much voter fraud is going in all over the Country and a lot of it comes to people claiming it has to be easy to vote, and that leads to a lot of dead people voting and reports of more people voting in a district than there are people.

I would bet that most people who vote Democrat only know anything about one or two issues, if that when they vote and many are pretty uneducated as was shown when Obama was elected by people who didn't have the mental capacity yo know who and what he is.

Jim Crow is another Liberal claim to avoid the truth that this is needed.

Voter fraud has long been a problem. For both sides.

The whole "Jim Crow" thing is just more political hyperbole, not unlike "Death Panels" or "Obama is going to be our foreign-born socialist overlord."

Yeah, Republicans are way smarter. This lady, for example, is freakin' Einstein

 
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Voter fraud has long been a problem. For both sides.

The whole "Jim Crow" thing is just more political hyperbole, not unlike "Death Panels" or "Obama is going to be our foreign-born socialist overlord."

Yeah, Republicans are way smarter. This lady, for example, is freakin' Einstein



She is an elderly citizen, its nothing to compare her to the Chairperson of a Political Party, who should be smarter than that.

This comparison is FAIL.
 
And so should our military....who tend to vote republican.

Ok, let me be whovian now. Instead of actually discussing that point with you Caine, here's what I'll do:

Right, and we are supposed to believe you? Where's your proof? That is a FAIL. You have FAILED

See how annoying it gets? Once you post a link I'll attack stupid parts of it instead of getting down to the debate. It's common knowledge youth vote democrat and military (enlisted) vote republican. But i'll now return the courtesy given to me in this topic and not debate the substance of the argument, just attack commonly accepted political norms and go after retarded things in sources
 
She is an elderly citizen, its nothing to compare her to the Chairperson of a Political Party, who should be smarter than that.

This comparison is FAIL.

Read the post it's in response to. Where it was claimed that Republican voters are smarter...
 
Read the post it's in response to. Where it was claimed that Republican voters are smarter...

Oh Shat, I see what you did thar.

In that case, I can't say that I support the blanket statements of either side in that quarrel.

As you were.
 
Well, lets just say that I have always believed in democracy. Apparently you don't.

I have no reason to believe everyone is fit to vote, no, that is irrational.


True. But if you look at the spirit of what he thought, it's there.

I have no idea where you are getting this from, but he was very uneasy about the prospect of allowing all to vote. He was very much a believer in qualifiers.

BTW, for all the "Respect the Constitution as written" we get from your side, it frankly amazes me how often Conservatives fail to do exactly that.

What part am I not respecting? The amendments added about voting?
 
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1. Because it is a ridiculous hassle and if they are going to college and living in that district they should be able to vote there. There is absolutely no justification for that. That's using the same exact logic as "Well hey, the military uses absentees, so it's ok for me to use one too!"

voting is done by your geographic home of record - your county, city, and state. if a college student wishes to vote locally, but are out of their home area, all they need do is change their home of record and become a citizen of whatever state they happen to be in. All you really need is an address; you can go down to the Post Office and do it in about 10 minutes - the paperwork takes about 2 weeks to worm it's way through the system.
 
Ok, let me be whovian now. Instead of actually discussing that point with you Caine, here's what I'll do:

Right, and we are supposed to believe you? Where's your proof? That is a FAIL. You have FAILED

See how annoying it gets? Once you post a link I'll attack stupid parts of it instead of getting down to the debate. It's common knowledge youth vote democrat and military (enlisted) vote republican. But i'll now return the courtesy given to me in this topic and not debate the substance of the argument, just attack commonly accepted political norms and go after retarded things in sources

I addressed every one of your points, and shot them down with ease.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/news-2-0/101049-dnc-chair-gop-wants-drag-us-back-jim-crow-laws-16.html#post1059560162

You tried to move the goalposts. You also claimed that the ease of voting via absentee ballot for college students was never your point (even though you mentioned it with increasing anger in 4 posts). I shot that down too, with your own source!

You made claims you failed to back up that the vast majority of college students are Democrats... neither of the sources you supplied proved this. The first one said 'lean to the left'... the second source didn't even discuss political leanings but you used it as proof for your ridiculous claim anyway.

Perhaps you need to actually READ the material you post as proof next time. Just a thought.


Essentially... you suck at this.
 
Gargantuan said:
1. Because it is a ridiculous hassle and if they are going to college and living in that district they should be able to vote there. There is absolutely no justification for that. That's using the same exact logic as "Well hey, the military uses absentees, so it's ok for me to use one too!"
voting is done by your geographic home of record - your county, city, and state. if a college student wishes to vote locally, but are out of their home area, all they need do is change their home of record and become a citizen of whatever state they happen to be in. All you really need is an address; you can go down to the Post Office and do it in about 10 minutes - the paperwork takes about 2 weeks to worm it's way through the system.

CP... Gargantuan assures me that this was never his argument... even though he made it 4 times, with more anger each time. :rofl:
 
Ok, let me be whovian now. Instead of actually discussing that point with you Caine, here's what I'll do:

Right, and we are supposed to believe you? Where's your proof? That is a FAIL. You have FAILED

See how annoying it gets? Once you post a link I'll attack stupid parts of it instead of getting down to the debate. It's common knowledge youth vote democrat and military (enlisted) vote republican. But i'll now return the courtesy given to me in this topic and not debate the substance of the argument, just attack commonly accepted political norms and go after retarded things in sources

perhaps if you didn't use retarded sources? Or, if your sources actually said what you claimed they did?

Just a thought.
 
CP... Gargantuan assures me that this was never his argument... even though he made it 4 times, with more anger each time. :rofl:

my question then becomes: if these - by definition - are the people who don't care enough to even bother to fill out a form; what in the world makes us think that they will care enough to self-educate so that they can make wise and informed votes?

far better that the uninformed and self-absorbed remove themselves from the franchise rather than we have to live with the consequences of their poor decisions.


 
About half of the population, doesn't pay income tax. GE didn't pay taxes. Tons of organizations, business, individuals -- are tax exempt.

But he said people who don't pay taxes, not people who don't pay income taxes. And since when did companies and organizations vote?
 
1. Because it is a ridiculous hassle and if they are going to college and living in that district they should be able to vote there. There is absolutely no justification for that. That's using the same exact logic as "Well hey, the military uses absentees, so it's ok for me to use one too!"

4. Don't need any. It's a well established fact that college students are for the most part democratic liberals.

Why should they vote in a location where they are going to stay for 8 months a year for four years before moving on? Why can't they vote absentee??

4. Really? When I went to UGA as a grad student, the College Republicans organization was much larger than the Young Democrats on campus, and there was definately a very conservative tinge to the student body on campus...
 
Dont be ridiculous. How else is someone on active duty going to vote? Justify making college students use absentees.

1) I have done it numerous times, and I survived the "struggle"

2) I have done it numerous times, and I survived the "struggle"

3) I have done it numerous times, and I survived the "struggle"

4) I have done it numerous times, and I survived the "struggle"
 
Again for the 100th time, you can argue it's not too much of a struggle, but the point is, this is a blatant attempt by the GOP to try to stifle young voters.
 
I guess the Founders skipped civics, too?

if they did take a Civics class - it was based on British law over the colonies in the mid 1700's. A tiny bit has changed since them.
 
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