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Tennessee Trumps Wiconsin: Kills Teacher Collective Bargaining. Dead.

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To fix public schools, you have to control public schools.

And there’s little control when teachers unions, with their self-serving agendas, question every cost-cutting proposal and reform on the table.

That’s why so many state governments have taken swift action to limit the power of organized labor in public schools. Wisconsin, Ohio, Indiana, Idaho and Michigan were the first, and Tennessee added itself to the list on Wednesday.

Tennessee lawmakers were careful to leave a few key items off the discussion table...

Basically, lawmakers allowed the unions to keep their bark, but wisely took away their bite. And if school boards get tired of the barking, they will be allowed to close the windows, pull the shutters and go about their business.

Democrats in the legislature, outnumbered in both chambers, have been fuming about the legislation.

School boards are elected by the public to run public schools. Nobody elected the unions.

http://biggovernment.com/kolson/201...sin-kills-teacher-collective-bargaining-dead/
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Hooray!
Step by step, state by state... The ball of sobriety is rolling.
Along the way we need to eliminate the DoE.

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Didn't they also tell teachers that they can't talk about homosexuals? Sounds like they're aiming for a system where teachers earn minimum wage and don't stray from the views of the extreme right-wing.
 
Sgt Meowenstein said:
Didn't they also tell teachers that they can't talk about homosexuals? Sounds like they're aiming for a system where teachers earn minimum wage and don't stray from the views of the extreme right-wing.
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Ya know what? We could do twice as well with half the money. All it takes it two things; cut out all the damn bureaucratic overhead and restore discipline to the schools.

By restore discipline I mean put the teachers and the Principal back in charge of the students. Restore the authority of teachers to beat that ass as necessary. The ones who are past caring, past fixing and won't stop disrupting other's ability to learn... permanent expulsion and that without delay.

You can't teach without order, without the teacher being in control of the classroom.

Once upon a time we had a reasonable degree of order in school. We can do it again. It doesn't take money, just a little hard-headed common sense.
 
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good to see this passed. hopefully tennessee see's much benefit from it.
 
Goshin said:
Ya know what? We could do twice as well with half the money. All it takes it two things; cut out all the damn bureaucratic overhead and restore discipline to the schools.

By restore discipline I mean put the teachers and the Principal back in charge of the students. Restore the authority of teachers to beat that ass as necessary. The ones who are past caring, past fixing and won't stop disrupting other's ability to learn... permanent expulsion and that without delay.

You can't teach without order, without the teacher being in control of the classroom.

Once upon a time we had a reasonable degree of order in school. We can do it again. It doesn't take money, just a little hard-headed common sense.
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Nice but completely impossible. Can't happen. Parents won't support it. Schools will be sued more than they are now. That will cost big bucks. Teachers are not cops and they aren't trained to be. What you are advocating may have worked well in the Soviet Union, but it wouldn't work even a little bit here and now. Not a chance of even being considered.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Nice but completely impossible. Can't happen. Parents won't support it. Schools will be sued more than they are now. That will cost big bucks. Teachers are not cops and they aren't trained to be. What you are advocating may have worked well in the Soviet Union, but it wouldn't work even a little bit here and now. Not a chance of even being considered.
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:lol: Soviet Union? I'm talking about how things were in schools when I was a kid. :lol:
 
Goshin said:
:lol: Soviet Union? I'm talking about how things were in schools when I was a kid. :lol:
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Sounds as if you and I went to the same school. I can tell you for a fact that the school had the parents behind them. Whenever I got in trouble at school and be sent to the office the Vice Principal would raise hell, tell me I was going to get swats and asking me if I had anything to say. The only thing I ever had to say was, "Are you going to call my dad?" They could have beaten me senseless and pushed me down a flight of stairs and I'd be fine as long as my father didn't have to know about it. It was that way for every kid in school. Times have changed, my man. Now parents go to school with lawyers and raise hell with the school because they had to take time off from work.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Nice but completely impossible. Can't happen. Parents won't support it.
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If parents want to send their kids to public schools.. They will support it.. Otherwise they can pay for private school.. Goshin is so correct!! Our children today have no discipline.. I remember the days of a big thick paddle hanging on the wall.. Having your hand smacked with a ruler.. Parent't aren't teaching their children discipline at home.. They need to learn it somewhere..
 
Risky Thicket said:
Sounds as if you and I went to the same school. I can tell you for a fact that the school had the parents behind them. Whenever I got in trouble at school and be sent to the office the Vice Principal would raise hell, tell me I was going to get swats and asking me if I had anything to say. The only thing I ever had to say was, "Are you going to call my dad?" They could have beaten me senseless and pushed me down a flight of stairs and I'd be fine as long as my father didn't have to know about it. It was that way for every kid in school. Times have changed, my man. Now parents go to school with lawyers and raise hell with the school because they had to take time off from work.
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Yup, and that's half the reason we have all these school problems today, and it ain't getting better until somebody takes the matter in hand. Reinstate real discipline, make in mandatory, include legal protections. Don't like it? Send your kid to a private school that doesn't have it. That's what they tell those of us who disagree with any damn thing they want to teach in public schools today innit? "Don't like it, send your kid to private school."
 
DemonMyst said:
If parents want to send their kids to public schools.. They will support it.. Otherwise they can pay for private school.. Goshin is so correct!! Our children today have no discipline.. I remember the days of a big thick paddle hanging on the wall.. Having your hand smacked with a ruler.. Parent't aren't teaching their children discipline at home.. They need to learn it somewhere..
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Sure I agree, we need discipline in schools. Public means all kids in legally in the district have a right to a free public education. That is the law. I'm not disagreeing with your position, but I am saying that most parents don't support it now. School systems would be buried under law suits. The legal budget for each school district would be massive. Further, teachers are not cops.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Sounds as if you and I went to the same school. I can tell you for a fact that the school had the parents behind them. Whenever I got in trouble at school and be sent to the office the Vice Principal would raise hell, tell me I was going to get swats and asking me if I had anything to say. The only thing I ever had to say was, "Are you going to call my dad?" They could have beaten me senseless and pushed me down a flight of stairs and I'd be fine as long as my father didn't have to know about it. It was that way for every kid in school. Times have changed, my man. Now parents go to school with lawyers and raise hell with the school because they had to take time off from work.
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i'll agree with this. the primary problem with schools today is an issue of PARENTING. money won't solve the problem.
the worst schools in the nation are comprised almost entirely of kids with parents whom simply don't give a $hit. they feel the school is
a free "day care" service and nothing more. discipline begins at home. if it's not there? the public school becomes a lost cause.
 
lewstherin said:
i'll agree with this. the primary problem with schools today is an issue of PARENTING. money won't solve the problem.
the worst schools in the nation are comprised almost entirely of kids with parents whom simply don't give a $hit. they feel the school is
a free "day care" service and nothing more. discipline begins at home. if it's not there? the public school becomes a lost cause.
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That is it. It is evident in daily life beyond schools. We all see the lack of parenting. We see continually. The lack of discipline in schools is a result of the problem, it is not THE problem. The problem won't be solved in schools.
 
I like what everyone has said about discipline in public schools...But this bill doesn't address that at all. It merely means Tennessee teachers can probably get paid more by leaving the state, which will only mean even less qualified teachers, which will mean even worse schools (and we're already near the bottom).
 
Sgt Meowenstein said:
Didn't they also tell teachers that they can't talk about homosexuals? Sounds like they're aiming for a system where teachers earn minimum wage and don't stray from the views of the extreme right-wing.
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Yeah, if the Tea Party has its way, they won't talk about slavery either.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
I like what everyone has said about discipline in public schools...But this bill doesn't address that at all. It merely means Tennessee teachers can probably get paid more by leaving the state, which will only mean even less qualified teachers, which will mean even worse schools (and we're already near the bottom).
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The GOP is just ensuring that the next generation will be GOP voters.
 
CriticalThought said:
The GOP is just ensuring that the next generation will be GOP voters.
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That's not hard to do in this state (with the exception of Nashville and Memphis) - and that's when the state overturns the laws made in Nashville and Memphis.
 
Goshin said:
:lol: Soviet Union? I'm talking about how things were in schools when I was a kid. :lol:
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I went to a Catholic school for 1st grade... the same year they came out with metal rulers instead of wooden ones.

I was in public school from 2nd grade on ;)
 
I have mixed feelings about this, but overall I think it's a good idea (I don't support giving teachers unreasonably low and poor pay/benefits). What the state NEEDS to be doing is fixing TenCare (TN Medicaid program).
 
FilmFestGuy said:
That's not hard to do in this state (with the exception of Nashville and Memphis) - and that's when the state overturns the laws made in Nashville and Memphis.
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They already started that.

Tennessee Gay Rights Law Quashes Nashville Ordinance

The interesting thing is that cities with protection for gay workers have been proven to bring in new businesses and educated workers.

In an apparent attempt to score cheap political points, Tenn. Governor Bill Haslam has ignored the business community and signed into law a bill that wipes out county and city anti-discrimination laws, despite the Tennessee Chamber of Commerce and Industry reversing their earlier support and now opposing the bill. The measure – SB 632/HB 600 – passed the legislature last week and was designed to remove protections for LGBT Tennesseans by prohibiting cities and counties from enacting discrimination bans. Since there are no state protections for sexual orientation or gender identity, the Governor’s signature of this bill becomes a green light for anti-LGBT discrimination across the state.
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Oh, and as long as that law is on the books in Tennessee, I'll drive hundreds of miles out of my way to avoid going through Tennessee and giving them a penny of my money.
 
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CriticalThought said:
The interesting thing is that cities with protection for gay workers have been proven to bring in new businesses and educated workers.
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Not that I agree with or support any legislation that could be considered anti-gay... but, do you have a link for that statistic?
 
DemonMyst said:
If parents want to send their kids to public schools.. They will support it.. Otherwise they can pay for private school.. Goshin is so correct!! Our children today have no discipline.. I remember the days of a big thick paddle hanging on the wall.. Having your hand smacked with a ruler.. Parent't aren't teaching their children discipline at home.. They need to learn it somewhere..
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So....it's the government's job then to "teach" our kids discipline?
 
CriticalThought said:
They already started that.

Tennessee Gay Rights Law Quashes Nashville Ordinance

The interesting thing is that cities with protection for gay workers have been proven to bring in new businesses and educated workers.



Oh, and as long as that law is on the books in Tennessee, I'll drive hundreds of miles out of my way to avoid going through Tennessee and giving them a penny of my money.
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So much for small government :2brickwal

On topic: Can someone explain what rights/privileges were taken away? Can they still negotiate pay and get protected from incompotent power driven pricpals who only care about "being king of the castle?"
 
Goshin said:
Ya know what? We could do twice as well with half the money. All it takes it two things; cut out all the damn bureaucratic overhead and restore discipline to the schools.

By restore discipline I mean put the teachers and the Principal back in charge of the students. Restore the authority of teachers to beat that ass as necessary. The ones who are past caring, past fixing and won't stop disrupting other's ability to learn... permanent expulsion and that without delay.

You can't teach without order, without the teacher being in control of the classroom.

Once upon a time we had a reasonable degree of order in school. We can do it again. It doesn't take money, just a little hard-headed common sense.
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No.

No one puts hand on the Mayor's kid if they want to keep it attached to their elbow.

If there's a discipline issue, the Mayor gets a phone call, the Mayor deals with it. If that doesn't work, the student is expelled, and then the Mayor has to deal with that.

If a parent won't discipline their child, then there's an issue for the proper authorities to get involved with. The school classroom is not the proper place. The other students should not be punished, by losing class time, because some parents will housebreak their puppies but not their children.
 
digsbe said:
I have mixed feelings about this, but overall I think it's a good idea (I don't support giving teachers unreasonably low and poor pay/benefits). What the state NEEDS to be doing is fixing TenCare (TN Medicaid program).
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The definition of reasonable wages and benefits is defined by the free market with free competition.
 
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