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Sarah Palin: Paul Revere's Ride to Protect the Second Amendment

You were given quotes where Palin said it was part of Revere's ride to warn the British.

That's not what she said. You're taking her comment out of context.
Too funny! Even when you're shown her words, you still deny she said them ... while at the same time, insist she was right.

Denial is not a river.
"... but remember that the British had already been there, many soldiers for seven years in that area and part of Paul Revere's ride, and it wasn't just one ride, he was a courrier, he was a messenger; part of his ride was to warn the British that we we're already there, that hey, you’re not going to succeed. You’re not gonna take American arms." ~ Sarah "The Quitter" Palin
 
Looks like she got it right, because that's what happened when, on part of his ride, he was detained by a British detachment and at that time, he warned them against attempting to disarm the militia. Shall I post his letter, again?
Too bad for you and your delusions that's not what she said. She didn't say part of ride included warning the British -- she said "part of his ride was to warn the British." She couldn't be more wrong. No part of his ride was to even come in contact with the British. In fact, early on during his ride, he successfully avoided two British soldiers who tried to stop him.

But g'head, keep making a fool of yourself for her benefit -- I'm sure she appreciates your sacrifice.
 
Whovian said:
I looked back, and I do not see where your addressed your factual inaccuracy, about Bissell.

If I missed the post, I apologize, but the only thing I found was your comment about the typo.

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http://www.debatepolitics.com/news-2-0/100785-sarah-palin-paul-reveres-ride-protect-second-amendment-70.html#post1059559214

Sorry to burst your bubble, as thin as it is, but that does not address your factual inaccuracy about Bissel. Nwhere in post #692 does it state that Bissell rang bells and shot a gun, which was your exact statement...

SheWolf said:
That's the most pathetic spin I have ever seen. He didn't ring bells or shot a gun... Israel Bissell did, and he wasn't warning anybody to secure their guns.

So, as you have still not 'manned up' and admitted your mistake I still find it hypocritical that your whining about Palin not admitting hers.
 
I don't see 3-4 threads in here by Conservatives every time Joe 'the human gaffe machine' Biden ****s something up. Do you?
You would if Biden insisted he was right and didn't gaffe ... and then Biden acolytes (if there is even such a thing) had to rearrange his words to make him right while other Biden sycophants felt obligated to alter pages on liberalpedia.com to make him appear like he knew what he was talking about.
 
You would if Biden insisted he was right and didn't gaffe ... and then Biden acolytes (if there is even such a thing) had to rearrange his words to make him right while other Biden sycophants felt obligated to alter pages on liberalpedia.com to make him appear like he knew what he was talking about.

That's because Biden never insists he was right all along, nor does he claim to know the right of every problem.
 
http://www.debatepolitics.com/news-2-0/100785-sarah-palin-paul-reveres-ride-protect-second-amendment-70.html#post1059559214

Sorry to burst your bubble, as thin as it is, but that does not address your factual inaccuracy about Bissel. Nwhere in post #692 does it state that Bissell rang bells and shot a gun, which was your exact statement...



So, as you have still not 'manned up' and admitted your mistake I still find it hypocritical that your whining about Palin not admitting hers.

First of all, I am not a man. Man up = courage, and I am not a coward.

If Palin isn't wrong, then I am not wrong. Bells did ring and muskets were shot as he rode. I wasn't there. I don't know how much ringing and shooting he personally did, if any. However, if you can prove to me he didn't ring a bell or fire a shot at all, I'll admit I am wrong. I am not going to sit here and argue that I am without doubt right, and you are wrong, as Palin did. I'll say it's up in the air if anything, but I always understood that Bissell was the true hero of the "midnight ride." He rode further and harder than anybody else, therefore, he would have been leading the ringing bells and shots.
 
BTW, Whovian... I can find some blogs saying that Bissell did fire shots. I know blogs aren't that creditable, so I'll leave it to you to find a creditable source saying he didn't fire a shot.
 
First of all, I am not a man. Man up = courage, and I am not a coward.

If Palin isn't wrong, then I am not wrong. Bells did ring and muskets were shot as he rode. I wasn't there. I don't know how much ringing and shooting he personally did, if any. However, if you can prove to me he didn't ring a bell or fire a shot at all, I'll admit I am wrong. I am not going to sit here and argue that I am without doubt right, and you are wrong, as Palin did. I'll say it's up in the air if anything, but I always understood that Bissell was the true hero of the "midnight ride." He rode further and harder than anybody else, therefore, he would have been leading the ringing bells and shots.

First, you make a claim that Israel rang a bell and fired a gun, not Revere... now you say you don't KNOW if he did... additionally you want me to prove he didn't, when you're the one who claimed he did?

You really do suck at this, are you even aware of that?

You're also doing exactly what you whined about Palin doing... You made a mistake, and instead of manning up and admitting your error, you're trying to dance around it.

In addition to being historically factually wrong about Israel, that would also make you hypocritical about Palin.


You have been weighed.
You have been measured.
And you have been found very... VERY wanting.

(The above complete PWNAGE of SheWolf, courtesy of WHOVIAN)
 
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First, you make a claim that Israel rang a bell and fired a gun, not Revere... now you say you don't KNOW if he did... additionally you want me to prove he didn't, when you're the one who claimed he did?

You really do suck at this, are you even aware of that?

You're also doing exactly what you whined about Palin doing... You made a mistake, and instead of manning up and admitting your error, you're trying to dance around it.

In addition to being historically factually wrong about Israel, that would also make you hypocritical about Palin.


You have been weighed.
You have been measured.
And you have been found very... VERY wanting.

(The above complete PWNAGE of SheWolf, courtesy of WHOVIAN)

If you keep saying I am so wrong, then prove I am wrong. I am not arguing I am right. I am willing to admit that I may have made a mistake. I also said that I have done my own research and found a few bloggers saying he fired shots. I am saying I don't know if I am 100% wrong. I am willing to say I am wrong, when I know I am wrong. I won't claim in the future that he rang bells or fired shots because I am not sure. I ****ED UP. I will admit that. I said something which I thought was true, but not sure how factual it was. I am not sure how incorrect my statement was either, but I am not going to continue saying something is true, when I am confused what the truth is.

As for you, you keep stating I am wrong. You know I am wrong. You are convinced... then prove me 100% wrong. I am not claiming I am right or wrong. I'd really like to know who is right and who is wrong though.
 
Whovian,

All you did was post a link to wikipedia saying it said nothing about bells or shots. You're not really showing me that I am wrong, and I cannot find that I am wrong doing research online. Let's be honest here. I'll admit I am wrong, when I know that I am wrong.
 
Ptif,

Palin is human, she makes mistakes.... She's allowed to make mistakes. We aren't saying she can't make mistakes. I think some people find it entertaining that you and others won't admit that and run to her defense at all costs, hence the 600 posts on this thread. What's so bad about saying she goofed, just once... say she make a mistake... :LOL:

No she is never right. Just ask any liberal or the liberal media. They follow her around to show this. Palin is not news. The liberals and liberal media make her news. To make this a news issue shows the media is infatuated with Palin
 
Looking over the 712+ posts on this thread,it seems that Wikipedia isn't the only place where history is constantly being rewritten.
Winston Smith would have loved this place
 
Whovian,

All you did was post a link to wikipedia saying it said nothing about bells or shots. You're not really showing me that I am wrong, and I cannot find that I am wrong doing research online. Let's be honest here. I'll admit I am wrong, when I know that I am wrong.

Bissell rode 345 miles, in 4 days, on horseback. There was no time for bell ringing.
 
Too bad for you and your delusions that's not what she said. She didn't say part of ride included warning the British -- she said "part of his ride was to warn the British." She couldn't be more wrong. No part of his ride was to even come in contact with the British. In fact, early on during his ride, he successfully avoided two British soldiers who tried to stop him.

But g'head, keep making a fool of yourself for her benefit -- I'm sure she appreciates your sacrifice.

No matter how many times you misquote her, she's still right.
 
Whovian,

All you did was post a link to wikipedia saying it said nothing about bells or shots. You're not really showing me that I am wrong, and I cannot find that I am wrong doing research online. Let's be honest here. I'll admit I am wrong, when I know that I am wrong.

You said something specific happened... I showed you one source that says it did not... I asked you to follow normal board procedure and provide a source to back up what you said... you pulled a David Axlerod and told me it was my job to prove something YOU said was wrong, not YOUR job to prove something you said was right.

You are now doing EXACTLY what you whined about Palin doing.... you got caught in error, and instead of manning up and admitting it, you dance around your mistake hoping no one will notice.

Your FAIL is strong, SheWolf.
 
Ptif,

Palin is human, she makes mistakes.... She's allowed to make mistakes. We aren't saying she can't make mistakes. I think some people find it entertaining that you and others won't admit that and run to her defense at all costs, hence the 600 posts on this thread. What's so bad about saying she goofed, just once... say she make a mistake... :LOL:

This would be more appropriate version of that post, in regards to your factual error with Bissell......


I am human, I makes mistakes.... I'm allowed to make mistakes. I'm not saying I can't make mistakes. I think some people find it entertaining that I and others won't admit that. What's so bad about saying I goofed, just once... say I make a mistake... :LOL:
 
No she is never right. Just ask any liberal or the liberal media. They follow her around to show this. Palin is not news. The liberals and liberal media make her news. To make this a news issue shows the media is infatuated with Palin

She's right sometimes, and she's wrong sometimes. She's a human being...
 
You said something specific happened... I showed you one source that says it did not...

The wiki article didn't say, "he didn't fire shots" nor did it say "he didn't ring bells." It didn't mention anything about that. You're appealing to ignorance. Show me a source that says he didn't fire a shot, and I'll happily admit I am wrong.

I asked you to follow normal board procedure and provide a source to back up what you said... you pulled a David Axlerod and told me it was my job to prove something YOU said was wrong, not YOUR job to prove something you said was right.

You're the one making the claim that I am wrong, and you brought nothing creditable that honestly proves I am wrong. When you make a claim, you have to provide evidence and support of your claim. It's called burden of proof. If there were a jury judging this conversation, they'd say evidence was inconclusive on both sides and would take neither of our sides.

I have since abandoned saying that claim is factual, because I am not sure what is accurate and historical fact. Until you show me the historical facts that prove I am wrong, I won't admit I am wrong.

Now here is one source stating he fired shots... albeit it is a blog, and a blog isn't very creditable, nor is wiki. :shrug:

Bissell is an unsung hero of the Revolutionary War who, independent of Paul Revere, had been sent to warn the colonists that the war had begun. Bissell accomplished his mission by riding into towns, ringing the church bell and firing his musket to get the attention of the residents so that he could pass along his message.

Sounds like the firing and ringing is attributed to him... as if he personally did it. In any case, it's highly likely that he would have directed some people to ring church bells, rather than jumped off his horse to do it himself at every stop. Alerting others and directing them to ring bells would have been more practical, although it's not entirely impractical to think he may have stopped to ring the first initial bell or jumped off to alert others to do so.

Likewise it is not it impractical to believe he fired off a shot to initially alert people... :shrug: but that isn't the highlight of his ride of course, so finding details about how the task of ringing bells and firing shots and delegation of such duties is vague online. It would take a detailed reading into the ride from beginning to end to find those answers.

I can't find anything substantially saying that I was wrong in my original statement, nor can I find anything creditable saying I am right and you are wrong. I simply find nothing going into detail about the bells and musket on Bissell's ride or how it was coordinated. I am not making **** up or just writing stuff without thinking. If I am wrong, then I have been misinformed, and if that is so, I sure as **** am not going to act like Palin and try to find a way to insist the facts are different. lol

The Policy Page - Forbes




You are now doing EXACTLY what you whined about Palin doing.... you got caught in error, and instead of manning up and admitting it, you dance around your mistake hoping no one will notice.

Your FAIL is strong, SheWolf.

You haven't caught me in an error. Quote something that says I am wrong, and I will happily admit I am wrong. I have admitted being wrong on these boards before. If you don't believe me, then ask Mac. I have admitted being wrong in the past, and I am still the same person. I prefer facts to myth, which is why I insist on being proven wrong with a source saying he didn't fire a shot to you telling me I am wrong, based on a wiki article not mentioning him firing a shot.

What makes you so certain he didn't... Did you read that he didn't somewhere, because all you did was link a small wiki article and mention that bells and guns weren't mentioned. I can post a fricking blog that mentions bells and shots were fired by him, and a blog is as creditable as wikipedia. :roll:
 
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Show me where the liberals or liberal media ever said she was right

Don't hold your breath. At this point, Palin's mom wouldn't send a text saying she was right.

She is right, though. Right over the edge...
 
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