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McConnell: Paul Ryan Medicare Plan 'On The Table' In Debt Ceiling Discussions

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For anybody thinking Republicans are willing to seriously negotiate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/29/mcconnell-ryan-medicare-plan-debt-ceiling_n_868569.html

WASHINGTON -- Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said on Sunday that the Medicare reform plan authored by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan would be "on the table" with respect to negotiations over raising the debt ceiling.

"We are going to discuss what ought to be done," McConnell said during an appearance on Meet The Press. "I can assure you that to get my vote to raise the debt ceiling, for whatever that is worth… Medicare will be a part of it."

Using the Ryan plan as an option for debt ceiling negotiations is a new marker for GOP leaders, who have long insisted legislation should include strict spending caps. McConnell's remarks suggest not only that GOP leadership is looking for cover for the party's Medicare voucher proposal -- forcing Democrats to either support elements of the plan or risk default -- but also that the two parties may be moving further apart as that deadline nears.
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There should be no negotiation needed over spending cuts. Nothing is more desperately necessary. Your preemptive whining indicates you probably don't agree.

I think the Democrats should decide amongst themselves how much to cut defense, and Republicans should decide amongst themselves how much to cut everything else.
 
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fantastic. the more of the Ryan Plan that we can get attached to this, the better.
 
Neomalthusian said:
There should be no negotiation needed over spending cuts. Nothing is more desperately necessary. Your preemptive whining indicates you probably don't agree.

I think the Democrats should decide amongst themselves how much to cut defense, and Republicans should decide amongst themselves how much to cut everything else.
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McConnell is refering to the Ryan budget. The budget that effectively ends Medicare. There is no way in hell Dems will go along with that. Therefore; there will be no deal if McConnel insists on those terms. Get back to me when you have a clue.
 
This is the GOPs last gasp at trying to get ryans plan passed with false bravado after the NY election spanking. The have to show the far right nutters in the party that are frothing at the mouth that they are doing all they can to Pelosi like ram their agenda down everyones throat...we'll see how it all turns out in the end, no one knows yet
 
Later in August, as the entire world succumbs to economic depression with millions more Americans unemployed, homeless, without hope and trillions of dollars of capital lost forever, we'll look back at McConnell's words and recognize our error that we assumed the conservative congressional leadership were rational people — they aren't; they would rather bring about the end of the world as we know it, than allow it to continue to exist successfully contrary to their ideology.
 
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LOL, that's awesome. I'm going to cut/paste that and put it next to the crazy pastor who claimed the world was going to end and ask people to tell the difference :D
 
Sgt Meowenstein said:
McConnell is refering to the Ryan budget. The budget that effectively ends Medicare. There is no way in hell Dems will go along with that. Therefore; there will be no deal if McConnel insists on those terms. Get back to me when you have a clue.
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McConnel has said that everything is on the table with the exception of tax hikes on a recovering economy. DOD spending, entitlement reform... it's all open for discussion.
 
Sgt Meowenstein said:
McConnell is refering to the Ryan budget. The budget that effectively ends Medicare. There is no way in hell Dems will go along with that.
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But I thought you said Republicans were the ones unwilling to negotiate...
 
Neomalthusian said:
But I thought you said Republicans were the ones unwilling to negotiate...
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They both are unwilling to negotiate when it benefits them or they think it does. There is no difference between the way the two parties operate, its all about what side your on. The GOP is doing the same thing right now that the democrats did with a pelosi house....of course the conservatives dont see that or admit it.
 
cpwill said:
McConnel has said that everything is on the table with the exception of tax hikes on a recovering economy. DOD spending, entitlement reform... it's all open for discussion.
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Then why support the ryan plan and not the heritage foundation's plan that actually balances the budget? Why bring the budget closer balance by cutting the legs out from the poor?
 
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RyanCare costs more tha Medicare:

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Analysis from former White House Budget director Peter Orszag HERE
 
xpiher said:
Then why support the ryan plan and not the heritage foundation's plan that actually balances the budget?
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the Ryan plan has already passed the House, and is the one fully fleshed out and working

Why bring the budget closer balance by cutting the legs out from the poor?
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why demagogue the Republican plan that means tests the entitlements specifically to avoid that scenario by claiming that it does?
 
Dems = in control of white house and senate

GOP = controls house

That's only 1/3 guys.. sorry.. not gonna happen.
 
:shrug: which is why we were all hoping for a Compromise. Obama would back the Simpson-Bowles Commission with a few changes, Republicans would back the Ryan Plan, and somewhere in the middle they would meet. The President gave us every indication that was his intention, invited Ryan, Boehner, and the others to the Big Speech where he was going to Offer His Alternative.... and instead spent his time accusing them (safely, as they couldn't answer back) of wanting to go after autistic kids and people's grandmothers.

He decided to kick off 2012 because he thought he could scare enough people with the Republican budget to get reelected. So be it.

It will happen.

In January of 2013 - when we control the House, the Senate, and the White House.
 
cpwill said:
the Ryan plan has already passed the House, and is the one fully fleshed out and working
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Wrong, its the only one fully fleshed out by a political party. There are a total of 6 fully integrated plans from 6 different think tanks across the spectrum that was paid for by private money. Stossel did a program on it 5/27/11. Couldn't find it the actual video.



why demagogue the Republican plan that means tests the entitlements specifically to avoid that scenario by claiming that it does?
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Because it starts with people at 55 not 35 (sorry 10 years isn't enough time to save for most people), the fact that plan doesn't keep with health care inflation like congress health insurance, and the fact that the plan pays less in percentage terms than medicare currently covers even for the poorest of the poor.

cpwill said:
In January of 2013 - when we control the House, the Senate, and the White House.
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Not going to happen
 
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xpiher said:
Wrong, its the only one fully fleshed out by a political party.
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yes. they're the ones who vote on these things. You or I could come out with any plan we like, and it's pointless until a political party picks it up and runs with it.

Because it starts with people at 55 not 35 (sorry 10 years isn't enough time to save for most people)
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well, they're gonna have to, because if we wait any longer than that, there won't be a Medicare at all for them to retire with. and if we wait much longer than now, we won't be able to push it back to the 55 year mark, either. We'll have to start cutting spending on current seniors.

the fact that plan doesn't keep with health care inflation like congress health insurance, and the fact that the plan pays less in percentage terms than medicare currently covers even for the poorest of the poor.
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this is incorrect, the CBO did not account for the means testing or the extended support for the poor in its' report. It also completely failed to account for the pressure of markets and choice on costs. These are the same people who overestimated the cost of Medicare D by 41% because they make that error.

Not going to happen
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it will. mind you, it will probably make some changes that the Republican President wants.... but that's the body of it, right there.

That, or the demagogue-and-hope-no-one-notices-the-economy strategy works; and we're all boned.


We have two basic choices:

1. Dramatically reduce Medicare expenditures very soon in a manner of our choosing.
2. Bankruptcy. Followed by dramatic reductions in Medicare forced on us by our creditors as we become Greece.
 
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Sgt Meowenstein said:
For anybody thinking Republicans are willing to seriously negotiate.
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A vague article that you interpret as Republicans are utterly unreasonable and cannot be negotiated with.

Nice troll bait, breh-breh.
 
cpwill;1059539247 well said:
all[/i] for them to retire with. and if we wait much longer than now, we won't be able to push it back to the 55 year mark, either. We'll have to start cutting spending on current seniors.
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Wrong. The whole reason it starts at 55 and not 35 is because the repubs want to pay for bonds held for 2025 with medicare money instead of trying to find better sources of revenue and actually fixing the government's budget by getting rid of useless agencies.

this is incorrect, the CBO did not account for the means testing or the extended support for the poor in its' report. It also completely failed to account for the pressure of markets and choice on costs. These are the same people who overestimated the cost of Medicare D by 41% because they make that error.
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The insurance market is what drives medical prices up in the first place :2brickwal
 
xpiher said:
Wrong. The whole reason it starts at 55 and not 35 is because the repubs want to pay for bonds held for 2025 with medicare money instead of trying to find better sources of revenue and actually fixing the government's budget by getting rid of useless agencies.



The insurance market is what drives medical prices up in the first place :2brickwal
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Whoa, whoa, you mean Dems want to get rid of useless government agencies? I think they have be much more of an impediment to that and have been instrumental in adding more agencies through their policies.

For your second part, didnt medical costs begin to spiral upward when Medicare and Medicaid entered the market? Or is that just coincidence?
 
xpiher said:
Wrong, its the only one fully fleshed out by a political party. There are a total of 6 fully integrated plans from 6 different think tanks across the spectrum that was paid for by private money. Stossel did a program on it 5/27/11. Couldn't find it the actual video.
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As an aside, I found the Stossel article a day or so after the report came out, when I already read portions of the consolidated report. Stossel is a whining turd.

http://www.pgpf.org/Issues/Fiscal-Outlook/2011/01/20/~/media/88A2881EBE18412EB569ECFC626DA220
 
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Chappy said:
Later in August, as the entire world succumbs to economic depression with millions more Americans unemployed, homeless, without hope and trillions of dollars of capital lost forever, we'll look back at McConnell's words and recognize our error that we assumed the conservative congressional leadership were rational people — they aren't; they would rather bring about the end of the world as we know it, than allow it to continue to exist successfully contrary to their ideology.
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Are you seriously trying to conflate restructuring of Medicare, with the end of the world?
 
OpportunityCost said:
Whoa, whoa, you mean Dems want to get rid of useless government agencies? I think they have be much more of an impediment to that and have been instrumental in adding more agencies through their policies.
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Did I say dems?

For your second part, didnt medical costs begin to spiral upward when Medicare and Medicaid entered the market? Or is that just coincidence?
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Medical cost began to spiral upward when HMOs were made mandatory and therefore common place.
 
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