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Tenn. Senate OKs ban on teaching of homosexuality

Navy Pride said:
I think you know what I meant...
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Actually I don't. Some people mistakenly think homosexuality is being taught. As tht has never been the case, I would like to 1) make sure you don't think it is being taught, and 2) try to more clearly understand your objection.
 
Yeah, that's right. Lets bury our heads in the sand and pretend that homosexuality doesn't exist. Maybe they'll go away then with their icky lifestyle! :roll:
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Yeah, that's right. Lets bury our heads in the sand and pretend that homosexuality doesn't exist. Maybe they'll go away then with their icky lifestyle! :roll:
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I think it's a mistake for you to mischaracterize the toning down of the rhetoric as completely ignoring them.

Gays are a small % of the population to begin with, those gays who make historical contributions to society rarer still, and of those few gays who make historical contributions, I have yet to hear of an example where the contribution was based on that person's sexuality.

Given proper perspective, gays deserve a footnote or two, not a chapter, certainly not an entire class, and a coarse is completely out of the question.
 
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Jerry said:
I think it's a mistake for you to mischaracterize the toning down of the rhetoric as completely ignoring them.

Gays are a small % of the population to begin with, those gays who make historical contributions to society rarer still, and of those few gays who make historical contributions, I have yet to hear of an example where the contribution was based on that person's sexuality.

Given proper perspective, gays deserve a footnote or two, not a chapter, certainly not an entire class, and a coarse is completely out of the question.
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While I don't accept your premise, that historical contributions is the criteria, but exactly who is teaching a class in the OP?
 
Boo Radley said:
While I don't accept your premise, that historical contributions is the criteria, but exactly who is teaching a class in the OP?
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The existing sex-ed classes.

There was a push by pro-gay'rights to introduce material into these sex-ed classes specifically on homosexuality, which was trending towards more pro-gay coarse material in other arias of the curriculum. I strongly suspect that pro-gay tried this in Tennessee because Tennessee's general view of gays is well known. Far from an honest attempt to educate, imo this was a deliberate publicity stunt. Pro-gay knew how the people of Tennessee would react, and they're getting the headlines they wanted.
 
Jerry said:
The existing sex-ed classes.

There was a push by pro-gay'rights to introduce material into these sex-ed classes specifically on homosexuality, which was trending towards more pro-gay coarse material in other arias of the curriculum. I strongly suspect that pro-gay tried this in Tennessee because Tennessee's general view of gays is well known. Far from an honest attempt to educate, imo this was a deliberate publicity stunt. pro-gay knew how the people of Tennessee would react, and they're getting the headlines they wanted.
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Nobody tried to introduce homosexuality curriculum in Tennessee. This was pushed by one man who has been trying to push the same bill for years. It isn't recent, the only reason it has finally come this far is the mid terms were favorable for Republicans in Tennessee.

When this bill was debated, it was made very clear that many of the politicians had bought into the FRC line that the best way to deal with gay youths was to discourage them from identifying as gay. This bill is meant to serve as a social stigma by highlighting a particular subject that the state says is not okay to talk about.
 
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CriticalThought said:
Nobody tried to introduce homosexuality curriculum in Tennessee. This was pushed by one man who has been trying to push the same bill for years. It isn't recent, the only reason it has finally come this far is the mid terms were favorable for Republicans in Tennessee.
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So once again this is just political pandering.

Gays aren't actually being oppressed, as OP would have you believe.
 
Jerry said:
So once again this is just political pandering.

Gays aren't actually being oppressed, as OP would have you believe.
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When this bill was debated, it was made very clear that many of the politicians had bought into the FRC line that the best way to deal with gay youths was to discourage them from identifying as gay. This bill is meant to serve as a social stigma by highlighting a particular subject that the state says is not okay to talk about.

The purpose of this bill is not to target teachers, but gay youths.
 
CriticalThought said:
When this bill was debated, it was made very clear that many of the politicians had bought into the FRC line that the best way to deal with gay youths was to discourage them from identifying as gay. This bill is meant to serve as a social stigma by highlighting a particular subject that the state says is not okay to talk about.

The purpose of this bill is not to target teachers, but gay youths.
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Well, elections have consequences, what can I say.
 
Jerry said:
The existing sex-ed classes.

There was a push by pro-gay'rights to introduce material into these sex-ed classes specifically on homosexuality, which was trending towards more pro-gay coarse material in other arias of the curriculum. I strongly suspect that pro-gay tried this in Tennessee because Tennessee's general view of gays is well known. Far from an honest attempt to educate, imo this was a deliberate publicity stunt. Pro-gay knew how the people of Tennessee would react, and they're getting the headlines they wanted.
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Sex ed is not gay sex ed. So, no, no one is giving an entire class to homosexuality at this level.
 
Boo Radley said:
Sex ed is not gay sex ed. So, no, no one is giving an entire class to homosexuality at this level.
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I didn't suggest anyone was.

IMO we shouldn't have a public education system for this to even be an issue. The whole thing should be privatized, ie private schools only, with tax-payer funded vouchers issued from the government that you can spend wherever you want.

If a school is teaching gay material you don't like, fine, go somewhere else.

If a school is not teaching gay material you do want, fine, go somewhere else.
 
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Jerry said:
I didn't suggest anyone was.

IMO we shouldn't have a public education system for this to even be an issue. The whole thing should be privatized, ie private schools only, with tax-payer funded vouchers issued from the government that you can spend wherever you want.

If a school is teaching gay material you don't like, fine, go somewhere else.

If a school is not teaching gay material you do want, fine, go somewhere else.
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That's another issue and I fully disagree, but you spoke to not giving a full class to gay issues. I asked who was and you presented sex ed which is nor only gay issues.
 
Jerry said:
Well, elections have consequences, what can I say.
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True. In California it went the other way. They now have gender diversity education in K-12 and also teach about prominent gay rights leaders.
 
Jerry said:
I didn't suggest anyone was.

IMO we shouldn't have a public education system for this to even be an issue. The whole thing should be privatized, ie private schools only, with tax-payer funded vouchers issued from the government that you can spend wherever you want.

If a school is teaching gay material you don't like, fine, go somewhere else.

If a school is not teaching gay material you do want, fine, go somewhere else.
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Translation: Most private schools that already exist and are already established are religious schools, so let's give them a virtual monopoly on education by giving them public school money. If you don't like it, then tough luck. And of course, if you don't like what the religious schools teach about homosexuality, then that is your problem and you'll just have to go out of your way to find a secular private school that has managed to establish itself.

Square one Economics, eh Jerry? People who never take into consideration the current composition of the market when suggesting grand social engineering changes generally have a hidden agenda.
 
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CriticalThought said:
True. In California it went the other way. They now have gender diversity education in K-12 and also teach about prominent gay rights leaders.
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And that's a fine example of why I don't live in CA.

It's not that I disagree with indoctrinating per-se, it's that I disagree with that particular doctrine.
 
CriticalThought said:
Translation:
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Translation: "I'm about to twist what you said and put words into your mouth because I can't think of an original way to troll you at the moment."

CriticalThought said:
.......Most private schools that already exist and are already established are religious schools, so let's give them a virtual monopoly on education by giving them public school money. If you don't like it, then tough luck. And of course, if you don't like what the religious schools teach about homosexuality, then that is your problem and you'll just have to go out of your way to find a secular private school that has managed to establish itself.

Square one Economics, eh Jerry? People who never take into consideration the current composition of the market when suggesting grand social engineering changes generally have a hidden agenda.
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