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IMF head charged over alleged attempted rape

Nah, he's French, remember? Any sex scandal for a French man running for president will gain the guy votes, not lose them! :lol:

There seems to be a worrying lack of understanding on this forum between the French believing consensual sex between adults is a private affair and the French applauding sexual crimes. It is extremely disrespectful both to the French and to women who suffer in this way.
 
Nah, he's French, remember? Any sex scandal for a French man running for president will gain the guy votes, not lose them! :lol:

That was Italian, *ahem* Berlusconi :mrgreen:
 
How did you come to that conclusion?


It's not so much an actual steadfast conclusion Jet, as it is more a flavor I get after reading the first page of the thread. It seems that the liberals posting are almost willing to give the guy a pass, and say that nothing happened, or the "innocent til proven...." line.

I get the feeling that if this guy Kahn weren't in line with liberal, even Socialist views, say more Conservative ideals, you same people would be roasting his remains by now wondering why he wasn't publicly executed. And the victim would be all the rage being a black woman. Hell, we could probably get Jessie out again offering a scholarship for that reason alone.


j-mac
 
It's not so much an actual steadfast conclusion Jet, as it is more a flavor I get after reading the first page of the thread. It seems that the liberals posting are almost willing to give the guy a pass, and say that nothing happened, or the "innocent til proven...." line.

I get the feeling that if this guy Kahn weren't in line with liberal, even Socialist views, say more Conservative ideals, you same people would be roasting his remains by now wondering why he wasn't publicly executed. And the victim would be all the rage being a black woman. Hell, we could probably get Jessie out again offering a scholarship for that reason alone.


j-mac

Do you ever take off your partisan sunglasses?

I don't think anyone is handing out any hall passes. Everyone just knows that sometimes it is too early to bite the hook with an initial news report. This story could go both ways. We have seen false rape reports and then we have seen the upper crust rape the underlinks.
This will all be sorted out by the police. Since I wasn't there and only going by what some reporter wrote then I am uncomfortable in guessing who is telling the truth.
But by all means go ahead and do your partisan parade.
 
Do you ever take off your partisan sunglasses?

I don't think anyone is handing out any hall passes. Everyone just knows that sometimes it is too early to bite the hook with an initial news report. This story could go both ways. We have seen false rape reports and then we have seen the upper crust rape the underlinks.
This will all be sorted out by the police. Since I wasn't there and only going by what some reporter wrote then I am uncomfortable in guessing who is telling the truth.
But by all means go ahead and do your partisan parade.


Were you just as uncomfortable during the Duke case?


j-mac
 
It's not so much an actual steadfast conclusion Jet, as it is more a flavor I get after reading the first page of the thread. It seems that the liberals posting are almost willing to give the guy a pass, and say that nothing happened, or the "innocent til proven...." line.

I get the feeling that if this guy Kahn weren't in line with liberal, even Socialist views, say more Conservative ideals, you same people would be roasting his remains by now wondering why he wasn't publicly executed. And the victim would be all the rage being a black woman. Hell, we could probably get Jessie out again offering a scholarship for that reason alone.


j-mac

Jesus ****.

**** it, I'm not responding to such partisan bull****.
 
Were you just as uncomfortable during the Duke case?


j-mac






Show me where I bit on that hook. This goes all the way back to the stupid girl who scratched a backwards B on her face and even back to the girl who cried rape and was defended by AlSharpton.

Once again you jump in and try to make this partisan. It is all partisan to you. When I grew up in the 50's we just didn't have this much partisan BS but I think with the 24/7 airplay of partisan crap by the likes of Rush Limbaugh so many Americans have those partisan blinders on constantly.
 
Since he did surrender to authorities, that should put him in the lead in the French presidential race. :mrgreen:
 
Show me where I bit on that hook.

Hmmmm....Did I say that you did? NO, I asked a question, that obviously upset you, so maybe you did, maybe you didn't. I guess we won't know because instead of having a discussion about it, you got offended....telling.

This goes all the way back to the stupid girl who scratched a backwards B on her face and even back to the girl who cried rape and was defended by AlSharpton.


It goes further than that I tell ya.

Once again you jump in and try to make this partisan.

Since this is a political forum, discussing political items of the day, I gave my view of the situation. got a problem with that, then may I suggest you find a forum where they discuss items that everyone can agree on, and not rile yourself so with politics.

When I grew up in the 50's we just didn't have this much partisan BS but I think with the 24/7 airplay of partisan crap by the likes of Rush Limbaugh so many Americans have those partisan blinders on constantly.


As Peter Griffin on Family Guy said.....




j-mac
 
If said rapist wasnt going to be pres of France this would have never been an issue.
 
If said rapist wasnt going to be pres of France this would have never been an issue.

Incorrect. It would still have been an issue because he is the head of the IMF.
 
DSK is on Suicide watch (30 mins) at Rikers.
It looks bad for him.
A 32 year old Guinea single-mother immigrant with good record.
With DSK's legal pricey legal staff- look for some Dirt to be thrown her way in any case.
Also now, a woman in France has come forward with similar incident. There's never just one.

Of course him 'running away' without his cell phone doesn't look good either.
Police apparently used the Hotel manager with said phone to find out where he was... About to take off.
Then they had him arrested/pulled off the plane minutes later.

No forensics/corroboration yet though.

Which is why defense has claimed innocence but, tellingly, Not why he's innocent!
"Not done"
"Wasn't even there"
"Consentual"
 
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Since this is a political forum, discussing political items of the day, I gave my view of the situation. got a problem with that, then may I suggest you find a forum where they discuss items that everyone can agree on, and not rile yourself so with politics.



j-mac



Yes, you are right this is Debate Politics but if you look at some of the forums you will find Non-Political Forums, Political Forums and In The News sub sections. Not everything is Conservative-Liberal.
In this particular case it doesn't matter what political lean he has or the maid. It is just that we have had previous front page rape/assault cases that proved to be fake.
So saying "innocent till proven guilty" is not partisan but based on the fact that many of us don't swallow the first news reporting.

As for the Duke case I didn't bite on the hook that many did believing the girls story. I felt uncomfortable with that story too.
Some of us don't wear partisan blinders.
 
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Indeed, a little rape never hurt anyone...

Apparently that's the way the French authorities felt in the Roman Polanski child rape case and which is why it was so important that they get this guy off the plane quickly. Otherwise, as in the Polanski case, he would probably have gone free.
 
today:

The shocking sexual assault allegations against International Monetary Fund chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn have thrown one of the world’s most powerful financial institutions into chaos and could have larger ramifications for the European and global economy, many financial experts say.

Strauss-Kahn, known simply as DSK to many in the international financial community, was the strongest voice for muscular but often unpopular efforts to prevent debt defaults in eurozone nations, including Greece and, more recently, Portugal.

Strauss-Kahn’s formidable political skills — he was widely seen as a likely future French president — helped persuade the leaders of Germany and other wealthy European nations and groups, such as the European Central Bank and the European Union, to continue to fund bailouts to prevent the kind of financial contagion he feared could spread across the continent and ripple across the globe.

Strauss-Kahn, who has denied all charges and is being held without bail at the Rikers Island jail in New York City, was also a fierce advocate for continuing a single European currency. Experts say it is not clear whether the euro will survive his downfall.

With IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn behind bars, bailouts are iffy - Ben White - POLITICO.com
 
Seems he has as an alibi for when the supposed attack happened.

Being witnessed quickly leaving the posh hotel where the alleged sexual assault happened, and jumping on a plane bound to France doesn't exactly make a great alibi.
 
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Were you just as uncomfortable during the Duke case?


j-mac

i admit i thought the duke case was legit. since then, i've learned. who knows if any of this true?
 
Being witnessed quickly leaving the posh hotel where the alleged sexual assault happened, and jumping on a plane bound to France doesn't exactly make a great alibi.

Pausing only to have a leisurely lunch with his daughter on the way to the airport...
 
michael savage (barking loon) claimed it was like that scene in the godfather where that senator was set up by the corleones by being drugged and put in bed with a dead hooker

hey at least it was a woman and over the age of 15 too

rotflol...

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His accuser, a 32-year-old maid at New York City's Sofitel Hotel testified in court today that "there was nothing consensual" about the assault that allegedly took place Saturday, her lawyer Jeffrey Shapiro said.

Dominique Strauss-Kahn to Ask for Bail; Alleged Victim Testifies to Grand Jury - ABC News

some of the details of what the prosecution is charging happened, as well as some of the evidence the police are claiming they have, are too gross to paste

abc has no aversions, however

fyi
 
wow

time mag today:

Strauss-Kahn's Womanizing: Why France Was Silent About It - TIME

When news of the arrest of Dominique Strauss-Kahn broke in France, Emmanuel Pierrat remembered the young woman who came seeking legal advice about half a decade ago. She said she had had an encounter with Strauss-Kahn and, says the lawyer Pierrat, "wanted to know whether I thought what I heard would form the basis for a solid legal case against him." Pierrat says the news out of New York City last weekend was "something I had heard before" because of what the young woman several years ago had described as "the modus operandi of the attacker, [whom] she said was Strauss-Kahn." Says Pierrat: [It] "was almost identical to the details [described by] the woman [who said she was] attacked Sunday in New York."

"In addition to my client," says Pierrat, "I also have a personal friend who came to me and described an unwanted, forceful sexual advance by Strauss-Kahn that she was forced to literally fight off. They're all essentially the same account, the same kind of behavior, with only the places changed."

Even the well connected had qualms about confronting Strauss-Kahn. A regional Socialist Party official stepped up on Monday to say that her daughter had come under sexual attack during a 2002 interview with Strauss-Kahn. She told French TV that she had dissuaded her daughter from filing charges because Strauss-Kahn was en route to greatness — and derailing the ascent of a fellow Socialist Party official would be bad form. She also said that because Strauss-Kahn's second wife was Banon's godmother, blowing the whistle on the alleged attacker would create rifts within Mansouret's circle of family, friends and intimates.

A Paris attorney who specializes in defending victims of sexual violence, who didn't want to be named, says he has "an entire pile of complaints" from women who say they were attacked by Strauss-Kahn. Like Pierrat, he says last weekend's news evoked déjà vu. And like Pierrat, he says he has a consistency of accusations against Strauss-Kahn.

No sexual-assault charges, however, were ever filed in France against Strauss-Kahn, who faces what may be a long legal procedure before a U.S. court can determine whether he is guilty or innocent of the New York City allegations. In 2008, after Strauss-Kahn was reprimanded for his relationship with an IMF subordinate, the economist Piroska Nagy, for which he apologized, a few more people in France were willing to talk openly of his reputation — but only in a bantering, almost jokey way. Socialist parliamentarian Aurelie Filipetti admitted to a newspaper to having suffered a "very heavy-handed flirt" by Strauss-Kahn — one so unpleasant and insistent that "I made sure I was not in a closed room with him" ever again. On a radio show, one French actress asked out loud, "Who hasn't been cornered by Dominique Strauss-Kahn?"

time continues:

"everyone has heard the rumors, you'd have to be deaf not to have heard them," says socialist party member boutih

a "french american pr exec" notes many tell dks stories "approvingly"

"is he the man or what?!"

"three women, same story, same detail"

"the french gender double standard"

"the cult of what the french call the 'seducteur,'"

"it's not just that the word of a woman doesn't necessarily have the same weight as that of a man, it's that there's still this enduring attitude that seduction, conquests, affairs and flings by men is somehow ok, even sort of admirable"

"while women who complain are either making it up or just having buyer's regret"

"dsk may have been abetted by the fact that most of his so-called conquests involved ideological fellow travelers"

they're "all" either socialist party members, supporters or involved in wider leftist causes

they would "either be compliant or keep quiet"

in france, there's also race and class to consider, reports time

"her station in society would probably prevent authorities in france from taking her accusations seriously"

"the pattern of french political behavior in which class, rank and gender trump all"

the french media, according to henry luce's finest production, "never published or mentioned" mitterand's daughter out of wedlock until his funeral

"keep your mouth shut and paper clear of it until I'm ready to inform the public, if you know what's good for you"

i can't emphasize enough that this is TIME MAG talkin, i've never been to france
 
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Apparently that's the way the French authorities felt in the Roman Polanski child rape case and which is why it was so important that they get this guy off the plane quickly. Otherwise, as in the Polanski case, he would probably have gone free.

well in that case it was only the anal rape of a child, so it's more understandable...
 
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