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Taliban's 'First Revenge' for Bin Laden Killing Leaves 80 Dead in Pakistan

The Soviets withdrew in 1989. The Taliban didn't form until 1994.

Why did we go into Afghanistan?
Initially to get OBL and obliterate ALQ, and push out the Taliban who had protected him.
What was the mission?
There was mission creep. It went to trying to creat a stable afghan govt (but with focus in Iraq we couldn't move it much.)
Should we still be there? Why?
Not at full strength for much longer. Chances are the Taliban will overthrow the Karzai govt when we leave. So be it. We'll just tell them: "Work with ALQ and we'll bomb you." Eventually they'll get the message.
 
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We are committing suicides in many places... and we will commit more suicides until our beloved leader is returned to us...

OK, no problem. Lets return bin Laden to them. Um, anybody know how to find a shark and make him puke? :mrgreen:
 
Let me see if I follow this: they're mad because the United States killed UBL, so their response is to kill their own people?

WOW!! They really showed us! :lamo
 
The first attack caused by the wonderful decision Obama made to kill bin Laden, rather than try him in court.

Taliban's 'First Revenge' for Bin Laden Killing Leaves 80 Dead in Pakistan - FoxNews.com

The blood of 80 people is now directly on the hands of our president. Do these idiots even realize that it doesn't exactly further their cause that if one of their own is killed for killing innocent people, that killing more innocent people won't sway people to their side?

Oh well, looks like the war on terror ain't over yet, is it?

I don't like Obama's policies

I don't think he was qualified to be president

I think he appealed to black racism and white guilt as well as socialists

but to blame him for this is so idiotic It makes me want to hurl

Obama did the right thing by having that scum bag killed

the only argument was that Osama should have been slowly broken on a wheel or subjected to "the pear"

but that was not an option so getting a sealobotomy was fine with me

and all i can say IS GOOD JOB PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!

which is exactly what W said to Obama
 
Let me see if I follow this: they're mad because the United States killed UBL, so their response is to kill their own people?

WOW!! They really showed us! :lamo


its common with the uneducated

look what happened in LA

white cops get acquitted for beating the crap out of a black guy so blacks riot and burn down black owned stores and homes
 
The first attack caused by the wonderful decision Obama made to kill bin Laden, rather than try him in court.
Taliban's 'First Revenge' for Bin Laden Killing Leaves 80 Dead in Pakistan - FoxNews.com
The blood of 80 people is now directly on the hands of our president. Do these idiots even realize that it doesn't exactly further their cause that if one of their own is killed for killing innocent people, that killing more innocent people won't sway people to their side?
Oh well, looks like the war on terror ain't over yet, is it?

Islam has made it impossible for us to deal with it in a civilized manner.
 
The problems the US would have faced by capturing and prosecuting UBL rather than taking him out would have been exponentially increased. It is ironic though that Obama wants to give terrorists their day in court but then ensures the UBL "sleeps with the fishes." :fueltofir
 
I think this thread is a pretty good example for Obama Derangement Syndrome.
 
I don't like Obama's policies

I don't think he was qualified to be president

I think he appealed to black racism and white guilt as well as socialists

but to blame him for this is so idiotic It makes me want to hurl

Obama did the right thing by having that scum bag killed

the only argument was that Osama should have been slowly broken on a wheel or subjected to "the pear"

but that was not an option so getting a sealobotomy was fine with me

and all i can say IS GOOD JOB PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!

which is exactly what W said to Obama

You know, this is exactly what Bush was like when he was governor of Texas, and before his first term in office. I liked him a lot. I could see him returning to this during the latter part of his second term, and when he began kicking the Neocons to the curb I began liking him again. THAT was the real George Bush, and I am glad that he finally started being his own man again. The ideologue Bush was one of the worst presidents ever, but the pragmatic Bush was one of the better ones.
 
I think this thread is a pretty good example for Obama Derangement Syndrome.

Actually I was thinking quite the opposite.
 
You know, this is exactly what Bush was like when he was governor of Texas, and before his first term in office. I liked him a lot. I could see him returning to this during the latter part of his second term, and when he began kicking the Neocons to the curb I began liking him again. THAT was the real George Bush, and I am glad that he finally started being his own man again. The ideologue Bush was one of the worst presidents ever, but the pragmatic Bush was one of the better ones.

Unfortunately, the ideologue Bush allowed Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz to talk him into invading Iraq and starting a decade + war.
 
Unfortunately, the ideologue Bush allowed Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz to talk him into invading Iraq and starting a decade + war.

If you are going to use mindless rhetoric you have to at least be honest. Bush started two wars...they lasted combined less than two months. He then conducted the same post war ops working with allied governments in both conquered countries by helping them to establish a constitution and elect their own democratic government as was done in post WW2 Germany and Japan. Further he continued to fight terrorists...an act whioch many are actually stupid enough to believe DOESNT need to occur.

While I disagree with his post war ops, that is at least an HONEST description of what has happened. Luckily...post-election Obama realizes that candidate Obama's theories on peacefully negotiating with terrorists was just as mindless and foolish as the mindset of those that think we dont need to contually combat terrorists. Luckilly, President Obama realizes that we have to fight them because they damn sure will continue to conduct the same type of murderous acts they have been conducting for many decades.
 
If you are going to use mindless rhetoric you have to at least be honest. Bush started two wars...they lasted combined less than two months. He then conducted the same post war ops working with allied governments in both conquered countries by helping them to establish a constitution and elect their own democratic government as was done in post WW2 Germany and Japan. Further he continued to fight terrorists...an act whioch many are actually stupid enough to believe DOESNT need to occur.

While I disagree with his post war ops, that is at least an HONEST description of what has happened. Luckily...post-election Obama realizes that candidate Obama's theories on peacefully negotiating with terrorists was just as mindless and foolish as the mindset of those that think we dont need to contually combat terrorists. Luckilly, President Obama realizes that we have to fight them because they damn sure will continue to conduct the same type of murderous acts they have been conducting for many decades.

OMG! There really are parallel universes!
 
Again for the billionth time...

Islam is the problem - they made it so. They are the ones claiming to act in its name

If we somehow resolve an issue *UBL assassination*, they will create another issue.

We will be at war with Arabs forever.
 
Taliban is US' asset as well as the Bin Laden. The attack is accordance with the purpose of "Bin laden's death - to justify a big "terror attack" on US and Europe which will lead war on Iran.

Here is what the President of Pakistan said,

Quote,
"Zadari: Taliban Created By C.I.A. And I.S.I.

YouTube - Zadari: Taliban Created By C.I.A. And I.S.I.

Here is what US diplomat, (CIA agent) did:

Raymond Davis was a Taliban recruiter: Report
February 22, 2011 16:49 IST

American official Raymond Davis, arrested for double murder, had "close links" with Taliban and was "instrumental" in recruiting youths for it, the media in Pakistan claimed on Tuesday, close on the heels of reports in the United States that he was a Central Intelligence Agency agent tracking movements of terror groups like the Lashkar-e-Tayiba.

The "close ties" of 37-year-old Davis, arrested in Lahore on January 27 for killing two men he claimed were trying to rob him, with the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan came out during investigations, The Express Tribune reported quoting an unnamed senior official of the Punjab police.

"Davis was instrumental in recruiting young people from Punjab for the Taliban to fuel the bloody insurgency in Pakistan," the official said.

Raymond Davis was a Taliban recruiter: Report - Rediff.com India News
 
fyi

congressional sentiment AGAINST obama's war, the us led effort in afghanistan, is slimming surprisingly

a vote to expedite withdrawal from afghanistan failed in the house thursday by only 11

26 Republicans join Democrats on Afghan withdrawal vote - Charles Hoskinson - POLITICO.com

26 republicans joined pelosi, while 9 dems broke with obama's war

meanwhile, 9 more americans were martyred in the mountains on the moon thursday

united states casualties over there have increased some 400% since obama ESCALATED

iCasualties: Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom Casualties

what exactly is the mission our young men and women are sacrificing for?

what's the exit strategy?

how is afghanization achievable?

july is just around the corner

White House: July 2011 Is Locked In for Afghanistan Withdrawal - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
 
The first attack caused by the wonderful decision Obama made to kill bin Laden, rather than try him in court.

Taliban's 'First Revenge' for Bin Laden Killing Leaves 80 Dead in Pakistan - FoxNews.com

The blood of 80 people is now directly on the hands of our president. Do these idiots even realize that it doesn't exactly further their cause that if one of their own is killed for killing innocent people, that killing more innocent people won't sway people to their side?

Oh well, looks like the war on terror ain't over yet, is it?

Lets go along with your stance. OBL is captured, brought to court, found guilty, and gets life/death. Do you really think that
the Taliban would not carry out any bombings? Get real. AQ and the Taliban have been targeting people for years even when OBL was alive. The extremists of the world will do evil things. Best we can do is remove them from this earth.
 
ric27 said:
Again for the billionth time...

Islam is the problem - they made it so. They are the ones claiming to act in its name

If we somehow resolve an issue *UBL assassination*, they will create another issue.

We will be at war with Arabs forever.

lolwut

....
 
In a really twisted sense, this is a good thing. I'm not encouraging the death of innocent people, but the more Al-Qaeda turn their attention to Muslims and Arabs, the better we look by comparison. Al-Qaeda in Iraq was defeated chiefly because they decided it was a good idea to behead Shi'ites. Perhaps an existential threat will force the Zardari government, which is basically a corrupt front for the military, to reach out and touch someone.

Remember; it was only when a video came out of a girl in the Swat valley being flogged by the Taliban, that the Pakistani army went in and pacified the region, before proceeding into South Waziristan. So go on, Taliban. Keep insulting the master of the house. Let them know who the real enemy is. ;)
 
fyi

It’s more angst than outright anger, but House Democrats are showing real unity for the first time in pressuring President Barack Obama on Afghanistan — with influential moderates now expressing their impatience alongside the anti-war left that drove the early Iraq war debate.

There’s no immediate threat to war funding, but the shift in the president’s party can’t be ignored by the White House going into the 2012 elections.

This was dramatized last week when all but eight Democrats endorsed demands that Obama come up with plans this summer to accelerate the withdrawal of U.S. forces and pursue a negotiated settlement with “all interested parties” in Afghanistan, including the Taliban.

Last July 1 — almost a year ago — [the amendment] had lost badly, with 98 Democrats opposing him. This time, Minority Whip Steny Hoyer of Maryland spoke for the revised amendment and was joined by an important set of opinion makers on national security issues and in Democratic leadership circles.

“I saw it as a vote to manifest my growing impatience,” California Rep. Howard Berman, the ranking Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, told POLITICO. “I just don’t know how long, if it’s not working with Pakistan, how we’re ever going to be successful in Afghanistan.”

Inside the Appropriations Committee, both Reps. Norm Dicks (D-Wash.) and Nita Lowey (D-N.Y.), who oversee the Pentagon and foreign operations bills so important to Obama’s policy, voted in support — after opposing McGovern in the past. In leadership circles, Rep. Rob Andrews of New Jersey and Assistant Democratic Leader James Clyburn of South Carolina, perhaps Obama’s strongest ally in the House, joined as well.

House Democrats unite on Afghanistan exit - David Rogers - POLITICO.com
 
today:

More foreign troops in Afghanistan were killed in April and May this year, the early stages of the fighting season, than in the same months of any year of the decade-long conflict, figures showed.

The death toll for international forces in April and May was 110 -- 51 in April and 59 in May -- according to figures from the independent iCasualties.org website.

The overall figure was up from 85 in the same period last year and represents the highest death toll for April and May since the start of the war in late 2001.

April and May represent the early stages of the Taliban-led insurgency's spring offensive in Afghanistan.

Since they announced the start of the offensive in late April this year, the Taliban and other rebels have launched a string of high-profile attacks including Saturday's killing of the police commander for northern Afghanistan and two German troops.

Record NATO deaths in early Afghan fighting season - Yahoo! News

according to icasualties, 72% of coalition troops killed this year in OBAMA'S WAR are americans

iCasualties: Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom Casualties

fyi
 
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