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AP-GfK poll: Obama approval hits 60 percent

ReverendHellh0und said:
Another thought on this. I wouldn't be suprised to see obama at 60/70/ even 80% over the bin laden issue, but the fact, that this poll skewed to a heavy democrat sample means its crap, and crap that should have been thrown out in order to get a more realistic sample.

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ReverendHellh0und said:
that is inaccurate. I have maintained that polls can be skewed for as long as I have been posting, I posted my response a full minute before yours, and I did not "acknowledge" anything, I made the ****ing point. Jeesh.
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Easy there, trigger! No need going off the deep end. You might have a stroke or something! Relax!! So, I didn't see your comment beforehand...no big deal. It ain't that deep, man.

I acknowledged my oversight and gave you credit for your honesty on the matter. Why you're complaining like I just called you a liar or something is beyond me. Chill...

Here, have a sip...:drink...feel better?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Another thought on this. I wouldn't be suprised to see obama at 60/70/ even 80% over the bin laden issue, but the fact, that this poll skewed to a heavy democrat sample means its crap, and crap that should have been thrown out in order to get a more realistic sample.
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dontworrybehappy said:
Islamic porn.
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Whovian said:
You don't think a 17% skew in the Dems favor is a little out of the ordinary?

How very... liberal of you.

If someone posted a poll skewed in the GOPs favor, you'd be all over them like white on rice, claiming either the poll doesnt matter or the poll was unfairly slanted in the GOP's favor.
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Here is the whole matter of skew. As a percentage of the American population, there is not going to be a 50-50 split among Democrats and Republicans - EVER. There are a crapload of Independents out there who are willing to identify with either party. Some will identify with Democrats if they perceive the president doing something very good, such as killing bin Laden. When Obama was doing poorly, some of these same Independents were identifying as Republicans, which helped the GOP gain the majority in 2010.

There is no secret to this. Pollsters don't spend time combing through records looking for clues as to who might be a Democrat or a Republican. They call a random sample, and any scientist will tell you that the larger a sample is, the more it is going to represent the population as a whole, as the margin of error becomes less. So with this poll, it looks like more Americans are identifying with Democrats than Republicans. In 2010, more Americans were identifying with Republicans than Democrats, and that could very well happen in 2012, depending on how Obama does.

In short, those who are complaining that more Democrats were called are putting up a red herring, and building a straw man, both at the same time.

I have a story for you, and it is true. My wife is very Liberal, and strongly identifies as a Democrat. In 2010, she complained that Rasmussen was purposely polling Republicans to make the Democrats look bad. I explained to her what I have posted in this thread. She wasn't buying it, of course. She IS a hyperpartisan. We have a good marriage, but when it comes to politics, we argue hard. And, sometimes, she just refuses to listen to reason. Some people in this thread are also refusing to listen to reason. Some are just like my wife, and some are even worse than my wife. To them, it is better to take the blue pill, and forget reality. The only thing in life that is important to them are the political parties that they are slaves to. To those people I say "You can keep the political slavery". I don't want it. Critical thinking, and intellectual freedom, is better than being a slave to any political party or ideology.

To sum it all up, the whole argument brought up by those complaining that AP took a biased poll can be summed up in one word....

Bullocks and dishonest.... Oops, make that 3 words.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Either you lied, or you have more serious issue.






This is a lie. either that or I overestimated you.
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Apparently this went over your head, so I will try and be a little more clear.

The result of a question asking what party a person identifies with = result

How the poll was conducted = methodology

Your criticism has been with the former, not the latter. I even linked to the latter so you could actually see if there was a problem.
 
Redress said:
Apparently this went over your head, so I will try and be a little more clear.

The result of a question asking what party a person identifies with = result

How the poll was conducted = methodology

Your criticism has been with the former, not the latter. I even linked to the latter so you could actually see if there was a problem.
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The sampling group is not "the result". FAIL
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Please link to 200+ posts. please by all means.
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13 posts of you defending a poll of Obama's response to BP oil spill.

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9 posts defending another poll on Obama's low approval ratings.

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http://www.debatepolitics.com/archives/37257-results-aol-live-poll.html

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http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...poll-public-losing-trust-president-obama.html

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That's just 50 posts of threads started by you defending poll results. Do you really want me to get the rest? Or are you going to continue your hypocritical stinger shuffle? Here:
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
The sampling group is not "the result". FAIL
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How people self identify is not the sampling group. The sampling group was Random Digit Dialing(RDD), composed of 70 % land lines and 30 % cell phones.
 
I think getting Bin Laden was one of the things that ALL Americans could agree on. The problem with the election being a yr. & a half a way is that most Americans have the attention span of a teetsy fly. Also the RW ers maingoal is to see Obama fail; no matter what the cost. Also folks need to see that GOP has become the party of corp/big business. Internationslist-& there is nothing American about that.
 
I just did a poll, the results of which state that said that 90% of Texans worship me as a God.
 
Redress said:
How people self identify is not the

T sampling group. The sampling group was Random Digit Dialing(RDD), composed of 70 % land lines and 30 % cell phones.
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It's really nit worth my time. If you look at rcp you can see that Obama before and after this poll fovers around 50%. the one poll that has him at 60% is an anomoly. Why? Well compared to the other polls, this one has a much larger group of democrats.

It's really as simple as that.







Hatuey,

Your post is not worthy of a separate response. But wrong in thos threads i am not defending the polls as you claim. That is a lie. :shrug:
 
danarhea said:
OK, so Obama is on a roll right now, but the 2012 election is still a year and a half away, and we still have very serious problems. Come election time, these serious issues are what will be dominating the political landscape, as the bin Laden kill fades into the sunset.

I still don't plan to vote for Obama in 2012, as I believe that, under his leadership, America is going in a very wrong direction. However, I can't discount what he did with bin Laden. So, grudgingly, I have to say "Well done, Mr. President". I am not crazy about how this has bumped him up in the polls, but dammit, I have to put our country ahead of petty politics, so I am giving credit where credit is due. But, again, I say that the next election is still a year and a half away. At that time, Americans will be saying "What have you done for me lately". If Obama can't do for the economy what he did for getting rid of bin Laden, I say that he will be in serious trouble, and will be vulnerable. However, for the moment, I will let him bask in the popularity he has now. He deserves that.

Article is here.
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first of all dont pay to much attention to this particular poll given the target audience.

your tendancy to feel the need to praise him, albeit temporarily is a common human nature instinct. Like the bank robber that stops on the way out the door and hands the little kid a 20 and tells him to buy his mom something nice. for this brief moment you go "ahhhh, thats sweet".

but remember the bigger picture you pointed out, we ARE headed in the wrong direction with this administration.
Obama is clueless, you need to look no further than his apointees. Every president to date knows rule #1 is have a good team around you. the task is too large for one man and left to one man, ideologys are sure to trump common sense.

The presidency is a give and take affair, by refusing to, even through hook and crook, listen to the American people, thinking "hell, they elected me they must be on board with my vision".. Obama has lost his way.

The independants that voted for him were on board with his promise of CHANGE, bipartisan for the good of the country CHANGE promise..

there are those that will vote for him regardless, there are those that wont regardless,
but
This middle vote that will again sway the "12" election is a very smart lot...

we shall see
 
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