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Texas Senate approves guns in college classrooms

It's good to allow guns on campus, IMO. But overall, it's not really going to do anything one way or the other.
 
It's good to allow guns on campus, IMO. But overall, it's not really going to do anything one way or the other.

It will save lives, and just might prevent some woman from being raped.

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I approve.
 

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It will save lives, and just might prevent some woman from being raped.

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I doubt it will save many lives. The real world outcome of this isn't going to be much of anything. We allow concealed weapons on my campus, it's pretty much a non-factor. I'm willing to let anyone who wants to the ability to protect themselves, including carrying guns. But end of the day, not many students are going to do so; and if there were another mass shooting like Virginia or something, well you gotta to have one of those students with a gun in the proximity of the criminal and the fortitude to draw and fire before being taken out. Can it happen? Sure, but it's just not going to be highly likely. You're not really going to promote nor prevent school shootings. They're already relatively rare events and you'd need a right place at the right time sort of scenario for a student to stop one.

The individual level, sure you'd probably have some better defense if people choose to exercise their rights. But you just don't see many students doing so.
 
Some of the highlights from the comments section that I found particularly entertaining.

just who do think is p*ssing all over the 2nd amendment???

you can have all the guns you want... nobody has stopped you and your kind from being as violent and angry as you want...

just keep your guns locked up where they can't hurt anyone.
the NRA and republican toadies are the only ones that believe that this is a "self-defense" measure... the lies, lies, lies, that "only criminals will have guns" is pure crapola and only foools fall for that garbage anymore...
guns are violent,
people with guns do violent acts,
the more guns the more violence...

So now the wimpy crybaby Republicans get to carry guns in public places? These candyass pacifier sucking babies need protection from what?

Why don't all you pus__y Republicans stay home with mama since you are so afraid to go out in public with out your gun. I guess owning a gun is their attempt to make up for short comings in other areas, if you know what I mean.


Can't wait for the first story about a professor getting shot/killed over a failing grade...stayed tuned folks, film at 11.


the republican smokescreen of "criminals will get you" if you don't carry your gun is pure manipulation for getting NRA money and to get morons (like yourself) to vote repukelikkklan...


One more reason to never set foot in Texas. No good can come of this. Just wait, we'll be reading something terrible in the news before long. There's nothing to hunt on a college campus, so these guns are meant to kill people. And they will.

Yep...a hand gun falling out of some kid's back pack hitting the floor and killing another student is what I see happening.
 
I doubt it will save many lives. The real world outcome of this isn't going to be much of anything. We allow concealed weapons on my campus, it's pretty much a non-factor. I'm willing to let anyone who wants to the ability to protect themselves, including carrying guns. But end of the day, not many students are going to do so; and if there were another mass shooting like Virginia or something, well you gotta to have one of those students with a gun in the proximity of the criminal and the fortitude to draw and fire before being taken out. Can it happen? Sure, but it's just not going to be highly likely. You're not really going to promote nor prevent school shootings. They're already relatively rare events and you'd need a right place at the right time sort of scenario for a student to stop one.

The individual level, sure you'd probably have some better defense if people choose to exercise their rights. But you just don't see many students doing so.

In Texas, we don't have many home invasions. Criminals know there's a very likely chance that they encounter a homeowner loaded for bear, and with our Castle laws, the shooter won't even be bothered with a court appearance.

A TON of people here have their concealed-weapon license, and I assure you, they'll use it. A few people in every buidling will be carrying, and someone with bad intentions might think twice, and if they don't, they'll be gunned down far sooner than before.
 
In Texas, we don't have many home invasions. Criminals know there's a very likely chance that they encounter a homeowner loaded for bear, and with our Castle laws, the shooter won't even be bothered with a court appearance.

A TON of people here have their concealed-weapon license, and I assure you, they'll use it. A few people in every buidling will be carrying, and someone with bad intentions might think twice, and if they don't, they'll be gunned down far sooner than before.

In Colorado, we have plenty of the same laws, including Castle laws of our own. Tons of people here have concealed weapon license (which I think is complete horse****, shouldn't need to obtain a CCW, but that's another thread all together). We've even allowed guns on our campus for WELL longer than y'all down there. Students don't really carry them. Do some? Hell yeah. But it's a minority. That's the real world application and will eventually stabalize to that (I can see a big surge at the beginning and then slowly dying down to some equalibrium point over the years), even in Texas. You ain't got nothing special down there. Texas...thinking they're first at this or something.
 
I approve of allowing guns on college campuses and in class rooms. As a college student I would feel safer with armed peers versus unarmed peers and armed maniacs.
 
I have no idea what others feel inside when they carry a weapon in public, but I was taught gun safety as a child and many years ago took a glass that allowed me to carry a concealed weapon and it was less about feeling a new power than it made me think all the time about the responsibility I had.

I have not changed over the years and still find that being armed is a hell of a responsibility and and I constantly think about that and how I will react in a situation like took place in Arizona a couple of months ago, when Congresswoman Gifford was shoot buy a nut. I know this you don't want to be the bad guy if I am in range.

I will also tell everyone that if you use you weapon to stop such an event when you are done put your weapon on the floor and step back to avoid being shot yourself by the police or security because they sometimes get excited, and they don't know who the bad guy was.

When they do show up do what they tell you and careful not to make any movement that can look like you are going to pickup your gun.
 
Yeah, this with guns would be totally awesome...

huge-beer-bong.jpg

:roll::roll::doh:doh
 
Yeah, this with guns would be totally awesome...

huge-beer-bong.jpg

:roll::roll::doh:doh

It's much better to have this right?

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Yeah, this with guns would be totally awesome...

huge-beer-bong.jpg

:roll::roll::doh:doh

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the party there most likely did not happen ON CAMPUS, where the guns would be allowed. But if you want to use hyperbole tactics to try to make a point; well more power to you.
 
It's good to allow guns on campus, IMO. But overall, it's not really going to do anything one way or the other.

Well, you know I disagree. Just had law enforcement here speaking on what a stupid idea that was. But I'm sure they know little about the matter.

Do we want to do this again? ;) :coffeepap
 
It's much better to have this right?

As I understand law enforcemnt, the likelihood would be that more would have died at VT if more were armed. I'm sure we could find information on this view if we looked. What do you think, should we explore it?
 
Well, you know I disagree. Just had law enforcement here speaking on what a stupid idea that was. But I'm sure they know little about the matter.

Do we want to do this again? ;) :coffeepap

You can do it any way you want. As I recall last time you produced no data, no statistics to back up your point. So if you want to go that route again, you're more than free to do so. However, I am on a campus which allows guns, I am in a town which allows open carry, I am in a state which has the Castle doctrine. And I can say for a matter of fact that college students (adults mind you) carrying weapons on my campus has produced no adverse effects over the decades it's been allowed.
 
In Colorado, we have plenty of the same laws, including Castle laws of our own. Tons of people here have concealed weapon license (which I think is complete horse****, shouldn't need to obtain a CCW, but that's another thread all together). We've even allowed guns on our campus for WELL longer than y'all down there. Students don't really carry them. Do some? Hell yeah. But it's a minority. That's the real world application and will eventually stabalize to that (I can see a big surge at the beginning and then slowly dying down to some equalibrium point over the years), even in Texas. You ain't got nothing special down there. Texas...thinking they're first at this or something.

I'll second that. I live in Colorado as well, and we went as a family to get our CCW licenses. My mom even has one and she doesn't own a gun. Living in a college town, students I know well are amused by the fact that they can carry a gun to class, but few, if any, do. I have a CCW, but I have yet to walk out of the house with my side arm, unless I'm going to the range with my brothers.
 
Yeah, this with guns would be totally awesome...

huge-beer-bong.jpg

:roll::roll::doh:doh

So do you support banning alcohol on campus too then?

On a bias note: I'm digging the picture of all those art/music majors (I kid)
 
So do you support banning alcohol on campus too then?

On a bias note: I'm digging the picture of all those art/music majors (I kid)

No, they're probably business majors.
 
As I understand law enforcemnt, the likelihood would be that more would have died at VT if more were armed. I'm sure we could find information on this view if we looked. What do you think, should we explore it?

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I think your logic is severely flawed.

Over 7,000 people came to worship here Sunday and the unthinkable happened. A heavily armed maniac with guns and explosives attacked people as they left the church. Four people were wounded when an alert female, armed civilian volunteer security guard quickly returned fire killing the gunman before more victims could be shot. Two of the wounded victims died later.

With thousands of potential victims in a seemingly soft target of this church the amount of lives saved is staggering. Thankfully this church was not operating with a Gun Free Zone mentality, as they made sure their parishioners were protected.
CRIME, GUNS, AND VIDEOTAPE: Heavily Armed Gunman’s Assault Stopped Cold AT The New Life Evangelical Church In Colorado Springs

Vice Principal Joel Myrick held his Colt .45 point blank to the high school boy's head. Last week, he told me what it was like. "I said 'why are you shooting my kids?' He said it was because nobody liked him and everything seemed hopeless," Myrick said. "Then I asked him his name. He said 'you know me, Mr. Myrick. Remember? I gave you a discount on your pizza delivery last week."

The shooter was Luke Woodham. On that day in 1997, Woodham slit his mother's throat then grabbed a .30-30 lever action deer rifle. He packed the pockets of his trench coat with ammo and headed off to Pearl High School, in Pearl, Miss.

The moment Myrick heard shots, he ran to his truck. He unlocked the door, removed his gun from its case, removed a round of bullets from another case, loaded the gun and went looking for the killer. "I've always kept a gun in the truck just in case something like this ever happened," said Myrick, who has since become Principal of Corinth High School, Corinth, Miss.

Woodham knew cops would arrive before too long, so he was all business, no play. No talk of Jesus, just shooting and reloading, shooting and reloading. He shot until he heard sirens, and then ran to his car. His plan, authorities subsequently learned, was to drive to nearby Pearl Junior High School and shoot more kids before police could show up.

But Myrick foiled that plan. He saw the killer fleeing the campus and positioned himself to point a gun at the windshield. Woodham, seeing the gun pointed at his head, crashed the car. Myrick approached the killer and confronted him. "Here was this monster killing kids in my school, and the minute I put a gun to his head he was a kid again," Myrick said.

True humanitarian
I've been intrigued by Myrick ever since that day. Most have never heard his name, because the mainstream press barely reported how the massacre was stopped. I've become more interested in Myrick's story with every subsequent mass murder. If only someone like Myrick had been at Columbine, I've pondered.
A principal and his gun Wayne Laugesen Joel Myrick Pearl Mississippi Columbine High School Luke Woodham gun control

Two of the three Virginia law students who overpowered a gunman in a fatal school shooting were armed and used their weapons to disarm the shooter. Yet of the 280 stories written about the shooting, a mere four mentioned the fact that the heroic students were armed and used their guns to halt the rampage.

That's according to Dr. John Lott, a resident scholar at American Enterprise Institute and the author of the widely acclaimed book "More Guns, Less Crime."

Writing in Friday's edition of the New York Post, Lott reported on last week's shooting at Appalachian School of Law. Nigerian student Peter Odighizuwa is accused of killing the dean, L. Anthony Sutin, 42 – a former acting assistant U.S. attorney general and campaign worker for Bill Clinton – professor Thomas Blackwell, 41, and student Angela Denise Dales, 33.

Noting that the rampage was widely covered in the world's media, Lott wrote: "As usual, there were calls for more gun control.

"Yet in this age of 'gun-free school zones,' the vast majority of the news reports ignored the fact that the attack was stopped by two students who had guns in their cars. The quick response by two of the students, Mikael Gross, 34, and Tracy Bridges, 25, undoubtedly saved multiple lives," Lott reported.
Media Ignore Fact That Gun Owners Stopped School Shooter
 
You can do it any way you want. As I recall last time you produced no data, no statistics to back up your point. So if you want to go that route again, you're more than free to do so. However, I am on a campus which allows guns, I am in a town which allows open carry, I am in a state which has the Castle doctrine. And I can say for a matter of fact that college students (adults mind you) carrying weapons on my campus has produced no adverse effects over the decades it's been allowed.

How do you get statisitics? You do realize we must first have this ocme to past before we can get statisitics, right? You're as bright as anyone I've read on these forms, but you must understand this. So as we have nothing that is exactly like this, we can only look at what we do have stats on.

Now, we do have and they have been presented stats showing that young people have a greater tendency to make mistakes. Ar eoften mor ecareless. Make poor decisions. We also have law enforement making their cases for why it is a bad idea. We can agree or disagree, but they are making a case. Statistic do show that people as as likely to shoot themselves as anyone else with a gun. And while more people die of car accidents (a meaningless statistics), more people drive and there is greater need for transportation.

As for adult, 21 year olds are considered adults. I believe information was presented that showed the brain didn't fully develp until the late 20's. So, one can be an "adult" and still be immature and with a brain not fully developed.

And your campus is not a large enough sample. Frankly, Colorado as a state will be nothing like Florida, or New York or California. Larger cities and population areas are actually quite different than rural areas.
 
It's much better to have this right?

Sure, sure... the right to heavy drinking and shooting.

Nothing like a loaded deadly weapon in the hands of someone with no inhibitions...

The football games are going to be a hoot. Especially the post-game parking lot...
 
You can do it any way you want. As I recall last time you produced no data, no statistics to back up your point. So if you want to go that route again, you're more than free to do so. However, I am on a campus which allows guns, I am in a town which allows open carry, I am in a state which has the Castle doctrine. And I can say for a matter of fact that college students (adults mind you) carrying weapons on my campus has produced no adverse effects over the decades it's been allowed.

But very few of the students take advantage of this, wouldn't you agree.

But on another note, the axiom "guns don't kill people, people kill people" is very true. If a teacher had a gun available to him or her would the massacre at Columbine had happened? Who knows?

Had the students had guns at Virginia Tech, would the deaths been minimized?

Had the man who had a gun at the Gabrielle Giffords shooting actually used his weapon, what would have happened. Well, he was getting ready to shoot someone other than the madman.

I like having my guns, and I like shooting them as well. I'm trained and I know how to use my weapon in the event I need to draw it, but that is because many of my relatives, including my brother, are ex-military or on the police force, and they required that I get trained if I was going to hang out with them. But I cannot say that about everyone else who owns a gun and decides to carry it, and that's the aspect that concerns me. I would hate to legislate it, but I would love to see those folks that have guns to have the kind of training I had, instead of a gun safety glass through the NRA. I know some Cops that agree...
 
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